The Conditional Sonship Of the Believer

Contrary to certain Calvinistic errors the Sonship of the Believer is always conditional. The Sonship of the believer is not like the human sonship in that The Believer Must meet conditions to remain under the Fatherly care of God. It sounds unusual but I have presented this series of videos to prove that this statement is absolutely true. The Calvinist error of eternal unconditional security is put to the sword once again by the Word of God in it's proper context. A Calvinist when he is cornered by these truths will first seek to refute you failing that, suggest that the issue is more complex than it appears. This leads them to more confusion and they become less likely to accept what is in fact a simple truth.

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  1. Kingdom Seeker says:

    This kind of sanctification is for the purpose of reproduction. The spouses are sanctified just as other objects are sanctified primarily that the Lord may use them. Here He intends to produce holy offspring. This does not mean that they have entered into a saving covenant with God that is by faith in Jesus Christ and the blood He shed for us. Things can be set apart for use, inanimate objects and yet they have no part in eternal life.

  2. Anthony Clinton says:

    Well this is quite clear in Scripture and I only need to emphasize one verse though I have many but this one In Romans clarifies my position better that all. Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

    Clear as light and day! If you continue grace continues, If you do not continue you will dry up and eventually be cut off and thrown into the fire.

  3. lookinforacity says:

    Hi Anthony

    Is it Spiritually possible for a Born Again Christian, to (UN-BELIEVE) that in which they have believed?
    Doesn’t the word Unbelief itself denote, a state of being, prier to Belief in Christ?
    Strong’s number 570 Unbelief.

    Be Blessed
    JIM

  4. Our sonship is conditional upon faith. Faith can be lost.

    We are the house of God only if we hold fast our faith firm to the end according to the Word of God.

    "But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end."

    Hebrews 3:6

    "for ye are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,"

    Galatians 3:26

    God has no pleasure in the one who shrinks back – to perdition – it says (Hebrews 10:39)

    But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.

    So if we are not of those who shrink back, let us not teach that we are free to shrink back, lose our faith and keep our "DNA" as children of God.

    • Anthony Clinton says:

      And the term 'shrink back to perdition' means they were Christians going back to their old way which brought bondage and doom except they repent.

  5. lookinforacity says:

    Hi Anthony

    When you say:
    “Contrary to certain Calvinistic errors the Son ship of the Believer is always conditional.”

    What are these errors you speak of?

    Then you say:
    “The Son ship of the believer is not like human son ship in that The Believer Must meet conditions to remain under the Fatherly care of God.”

    What are these conditions you speak of?

    In John 1:12,13 it is found, there has always been, only “One Prerequisite” for becoming a Son of God. Following that statement, there weren’t any Addendum’s by John, placed upon our becoming, or in relation to our keeping our Salvation, (Conditions so to speak), which would have been the most opportune time to mention them, so there would not be any controversy concerning Calvin’s teachings, and others beliefs. It seems as though, if there were Conditions God was going to place upon Christians, they would have been stated at the beginning, and not left to the later Interpretation of God’s Word by mankind, which is exactly where we get (Assumptions, and Suppositions) which have caused all of the Division in the Body of Christ.

    The simplest way to understand the similarity between our Human birth, thereby becoming a child of our earthly father, and our re-birth, becoming a Child of God.
    When I was born in the flesh, I was given a spirit, when that spirit leaves my fleshly body, I will DIE.
    When I was born of the Spirit, I was indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God, which now quickens my mortal body Rom.8:11, I am dead to the flesh Rom. 8:10, and if the Holy Spirit leaves my fleshly body, I will DIE.

    Rom 8:14
    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
    This is not a choice, it is a fact.

    Once I am born into the flesh, I cannot cease to be my fathers son. I have his DNA
    Once I am born of the Spirit, I cannot cease to be my Fathers son. I have HIS DNA, I am In Christ.

    Be Blessed
    JIM

    • Anthony Clinton says:

      2Co 6:13  Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.
      2Co 6:14  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
      2Co 6:15  And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
      2Co 6:16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
      2Co 6:17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
      2Co 6:18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

      Christians yoking with unbelievers have a condition to regain their right to Sonship. It is based on them breaking that Yoke with the World and ungodly relationships. Then God will receive them and then God will be a Father to them when they come out from among them and touch not the unclean thing.

      • lookinforacity says:

        Hi Anthony

        When you say:
        “Christians yoking with unbelievers have a condition to regain their right to Sonship.”

        Are you saying when a Christian becomes yoked to an unbeliever, they automatically lose their Son-ship? Just what does this son-ship entail, in other words, could loosing ones son-ship mean they have lost their salvation? How then is the following verse to be understood?

        1Co 7:14
        For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

        How many Christians do you know personally, who are unequally yoked with unbelievers?
        What is the unclean thing to a Christian that he should not touch?

        Be Blessed
        JIM

        • Anthony Clinton says:

          Hi Jim,

          It's not about what I say it's what is obvious from the scriptures!

          So let's do a little honesty test!

          1. Does it say in 2 Cor. 6:17 that God would only receive the Christian back if they come out from being yoked to unbelievers?

          2Co 6:17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

          2. Does this verse present a condition for continual sonship of a believer?

          2Co 6:18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

          3. Does this verse show that Salvation is conditional for Christians?

          Rom 11:22  Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

          4. What was the severity that fell on the Jews that would also fall upon the Christians that did not continue in the faith?

          Rom 11:22  Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

          5. What do the terms "let that" and "if that" Imply in this verse?

          1Jn 2:24  Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

          6. To whom is the Apostle addressing this message to in 2Peter 1:1?

          2Pe 1:1  Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

          2Pe 1:2  Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
          2Pe 1:3  According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
          2Pe 1:9  But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

          7. What would insure that the Christians would not fall from their election and calling?
          2Pe 1:10  Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

          8. Who would receive entry in to the Eternal Kingdom of Christ according to this passage?

          2Pe 1:11  For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

          9. To whom was Jesus speaking when describing His relationship as the True Vine in John 15?

          Joh 15:15  Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
          Joh 15:16  Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

          Joh 15:19  If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

          Joh 15:20  Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
          Joh 15:26  But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
          Joh 15:27  And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
          10. What are the consequences for not abiding in Christ?
          Joh 15:1  I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
          Joh 15:2  Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
          Joh 15:3  Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
          Joh 15:4  Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
          Joh 15:5  I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
          Joh 15:6  If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
          Joh 15:7  If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
          Joh 15:8  Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
          11. What conditions were presented to all the Apostles that would make their calling and election sure?

          12. What does the word “abide” mean?

          13. What does the phrase “if a man abide not in me” imply?

          14. What is the common teaching error of Calvinism as shown through this honesty test???

           

          Answers

          1. Yes

          2. Yes

          3. Yes

          4. Loss of Salvation, fall from Grace, lose one's election.

          5. It means that continuing in the Father and in the Son is conditional.

          6. To Christians "to them that have obtained like precious faith", "through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:", "According as his divine power hath given unto us"," hath called us to glory and virtue:"and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."

          7. Dilgence in making one's calling and election sure by doing those things recorded in the preceding verses.

          8. Those Christians who had made their calling and election sure and had not fallen away.
          9. (a)His Friends,"I have called you friends", (b)His chosen and Elected, "I have chosen you, and ordained you" (c) Children of The Father "ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you." (d)Those Called out of the World, (the ecclesia) (e) Christ's Servants "The servant is not greater than his lord" (f)Those promised the Holy Spirit!"the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you"(g)The Apostles "because ye have been with me from the beginning."

          10. (a)Removed from the Vine “Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away”(b)Fruitlessness,  “As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine;” , (c)Withered, Broken from the Vine and cast into the fire “he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”

          11. Abide in Christ and His Word “Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

          12. Dwell in continually!

          13. Abiding in Christ is an ever present choice for the Apostles and the believrs.

          14. This Honesty test shows that one of the common errors of Calvinism is that they remove all the conditions and consequences presented in the Word of God by their doctrinal heresy as they try to prove the fallacy of the “perseverance of the saints commonly known as Eternal Security”

        • Anthony Clinton says:

          Hi Jim,

          With regard to the passage you quoted regarding marriage, this only relates to persons Coming to Christ after marriage. Not persons involved with such things as Marriage Evangelism!

          If some actually disobey Christ and somehow the husband or wife become Christians then that would be rare. But to teach Christians to yoke with unbelievers would be teaching rebellion. I have observed many disasters with such foolish decesions and rebellious Christians who were warned and most end up far from God and outside of the Kingdom graces.

          Of course many come to Christ whose partner is not saved and God sanctifies the relationship because He ratified all marriages. So you have presented a verse that is out of context.

          • lookinforacity says:

            Hi Anthony

            With regard to the passage I quoted regarding marriage, the passage was only used for the purpose of showing, there are people who are, will, or can become yoked to unbelievers.
            The point being, whether before or after conversion, they are still in fact, yoked to an unbeliever.
            I have not seen any stipulation or amendment to the Condition stating, there are certain circumstances to which the (Condition) does not apply.
            Otherwise the Condition itself becomes arbitrary, thereby rendering the Condition, a Non-Condition.

            This Condition you have put it forward, states very clearly.
            2Co 6:14
            Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

            The question then arises, are any of Gods’ Conditions, Stipulations, Requirements, Laws, Commandments subject to arbitration, or modification?
            For when God says “Thou Shalt Not” He doesn’t then follow up by saying “Unless You – – -“.
            Or when God says “Thou Shalt Not” are there any “Understood’s” that you know don’t apply?

            When you say:
            “But to teach Christians to yoke with unbelievers would be teaching rebellion.”

            Where and by whom, has that ever been taught to believers?
            It sounds as though you believe, if your Doctrine of Conditional Son-ship isn’t taught, then you are fearful the opposite automatically will be.

            Be Blessed
            JIM

          • Anthony Clinton says:

            Why complicate the Scriptures when it is quite simple. The Christian that is in the condition of marriage with an unbeliever when they receive Christ. For the Christians that are in the Church to yoke with an unbeliever after salvation would cancel their Sonship. Who taught both of these doctrines Jim? Paul did! Would he when being inspired of the Holy Spirit be seeking to contradict himself? One verse obviously relates to salvation when one is married to an unbeliever and the other confronting those who might be so foolish to seek to yoke with an unbeliever or fellowship with sinners as a habit. If you love the world you no longer have the love of the Father in you. 

            You seem to be confusing yourself. I am not the least bit confused on this matter. Please don’t avoid the issue. When you wallow in the pig trough of the world you cancel your sonship till you repent and return to be received back into the family. It is the spiritual sonship that is cancelled when wallowing in the pig trough. God returns His Farther love when one returns to Him.  Is that too complicated for you? I hope not!

            You quoted, “The question then arises, are any of Gods' Conditions, Stipulations, Requirements, Laws, Commandments subject to arbitration, or modification?”

            Who is going to choose God’s commandments and be so foolish to ignore them? Not me. God says if you yoke with unbelievers you’re going to lose your Sonship till you get out of it.  The only question regarding both the passages is “What context are you applying them too?” In your case, the wrong context!

            Jim I am guessing you have not been a Christian long when you ask such a question about the marriage matters. I have seen Pastors encourage such Marriage Evangelism and I dared to stand up against those wrong teachings to try to save some from the misery. Some ignored me to their peril and indeed have lost their souls. All that they had in Christ is gone.

            By the way it’s not my doctrine its Paul’s doctrine and its God’s doctrine so if you cannot see it, and it is plain as day, then perhaps you might weigh the matter up and seek to submit to truth rather than toying with it.

            Thanks,

            Anthony

          • lookinforacity says:

            Hi Anthony

            With all of the recent activity, I though you might have missed my last post to you, so I am re-posting it.

            I had never before heard the term ” Marriage Evangelism ” until you used it the other day, I tried Googling it, to no avail. Could you provide me with a few links on the subject I’d like to study it?

            OK, put aside the issue of those unequally yoked in marriage.

            1) Where did Paul actually tell the church at Corinth, “You will lose your Son-ship”?
            2) Where else in scripture is this Doctrine of Son-ship taught?
            3) When you say “Loss of Son-ship”, are you actually saying “loss of Salvation”?

            Be Blessed
            JIM

          • Anthony Clinton says:

            Well there is no cult that announces to believers "We are the denomination that declares! Marry a heathen and you may win them to Christ!" Of course there isn't one that I have heard of. In fact I do not recall that I said that! I was friends with Christians who were advised by their pastors that it was ok for Christians to marry unbelievers and they should seek to evangelize them. Of course a Calvinist would condone such practice because of their false doctrine of eternal security.

            I really don't know what you are looking for! Did you do the Honesty test? Please do the Honesty test and you will have light!

            1. Paul said if you yoke with unbelievers your spiritual sonship is inactive till you repent and come out from among them.

            2. Concerning the true vine, Jesus taught that those in Him should remain in Him or face eternal consequences and because Judas fell by sinning he became a child of the devil and lost his salvation.

            3. Jesus said whoever denies Him He shall deny before the Father. Deny means disown as Peter  denied Jesus but Peter was re-converted and re-entered the blessing. Even Peter was called a devil and any Christian can become a devil by sinning.

            4. Paul said if WE DENY HIM HE WILL DENY US.

            5. The ones in the Church of Sardis would be blotted out of the book of life if they failed to overcome. Right there they lose their sonship.

            6. Hebrews 6 teaches that after going on from baptism etc. for one to have tasted of the Holy Spirit and who fall away there cannot be a return for those who apostate and therefore they are no longer sons of God because they now shame the cross and they cannot repent again.

            You see how you lose your spiritual sonship by apostacy? What are you looking for then? Do you need any other proof?  If a Christian brothher hates His brother He is in Darkness. There is no Darkness in God and if that be true God has left the hater till he repents. The Christians in the Laodocian Church put Christ out! He was seeking to come back in.

            Christians growing up in Christ come into difficult times and like thorns the cares for this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the Word of God, Jesus Christ is choked out of their lives and they will perish forever in hell because they neglected their salvation.

            If a person is entangled in the world and overcome the latter state is far worse than before they become Christians.

            You see a Calvinist and those of similar errors do not believe like the Scripture teaches that a Christian can lose his spiritual sonship.  The proof is all through the new testament.

            Hope that helps you understand. If not please do the honesty test that I posted for you!

            Thanks,

            Jim

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