SIN ?

Are the acts of adultery, murder, stealing, homosexuality sin?

Or are these acts the consequence of sin?

What do YOU think?

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  1. I have an interesting question. I was married for 18years and had 2 Daughters through my marriage. We had some troubles but dealt with them. Well later on in our Marriage, my Husband backslid. He started drinking & doing drugs. And without my knowledge he was drugging me. Most on here know the story of how he Drugged me , got our oldest daughter drunk and raped her. I know he fell very very hard and caused her to turn her back on God aNd her family. If he confesses his sins, is he to be welcome into Gods kingdom or Would it be better for him to have a millstone tied to his neck and habe him cast into the sea. Is he redeamable. For murderers can be redeamed, can a person who has harmed the ones he was sworn to protect able to go into Gods kingdom. See I have forgiven him because he isn’t worth me going to hell over. But I would really like to have answerS on this subject. Thank You & may god bless those who hear and can answer my question. Love your sis in Christ Jesus, Annette

    • Holyroller_11 says:

      as long as a person can feel God’s conviction pulling them back they can be forgiven and saved.unless the Spirit draweth,no man can be saved,although some people after they begin to see their terrible crimes,will be so full of guilt,they refuse even then,like Judus,after he betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver,instead of seeking repentance,hung himself over the huge weight of his sin,therefore hell is hot.

      • I wondered if he would be able to come back to the lord. Because he caused our Daughter to stumble. And many told me that he had no chance of reaching heaven. I just didn’t know if that was so. Because. There waS a time when he walked & lived in the spirit of God. I don’t know why he fell & I don’t want him back, but I don’t. Wish to see anyone in hell!

    • Timothy Luke says:

      He can be redeemed. “if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness.”
      Of course, if his sin caused your daughter to stumble, it may be that his repentance toward God and her would also bring her to reconciliation with God and himself. With God all thing are possible. She is responsible to forgive him… without getting religious, encourage her to forgive for her own sake, and let her know how sorry you are that you let your guard down enough for your husband to hurt her. You probably have done this, but just saying, this is where her healing starts… How many people did Saul cause to turn from the faith in fear for their lives? Yet, he was forgiven.

    • lookinforacity says:

      Hi Annette

      Here are some verses concerning the actions of your ex-husband.
      This is the verse some use to say a Christian can sin, like your ex-husband has, then by simply confessing his sin, God is then bound to forgive him.

      1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

      These are the verses some use to say a Christian cannot sin.

      Heb 6:4-6
      4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
      5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
      6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

      Heb 10:26-29
      26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
      27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
      28) He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
      29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

      You alone can make the judgement of the situation better than anyone else, and where he now stands in relation to his ability to confess and find a place of repentance again.

      Be Blessed
      JIM

      • Timothy Luke says:

        Good point Jim. If he was a Christian before in his heart or not, then becomes the question. This is where all these debates really come together, because we all read it from the outside in. “Was he a Christian in the first place?” is really only a question God, not even Annette, can answer. We may judge it one way or the other and then predetermine whether or not he can repent, which is to say, we can presume to know his heart before he went into perdition and use our diagnosis to answer ‘part b’. Only God knows….
        This type of reasoning often sets the paradigms we work out of when we debate “can a Christian sin?”

  2. childofjesus says:

    In Reply to :”I do not believe it is possible, to come to the same Interpretation as I have here, because of the different words used within the NIV, the NIV just seems to be weak, as opposed to the KJV.”

    This is out of context, but i want to say that NIV, KJV or any other version is a WORD OF GOD..we must come to the same interpretation.I like NIV version b’cos that is only version i understand easily.

    An answer to the question “Which is the best Bible ?”
    A USED Bible..

    • Timothy Luke says:

      “I like NIV version b’cos that is only version i understand easily.”
      This brings to mind the man who lost his watch walking home one night. It was an expensive watch and he and his travelling companion began to search in earnest. After a while, his partner says, “you have been searching under that sidewalk lamp for 15 minutes now, going back and forth, back and forth. Don’t you think you should expand your search?” to which his fried replied, “Its easier to see in the light.”
      The NIV may be easier to understand, but the question is whether what we are understanding is actually the Word of God, or a convenient subversion of it?
      This is not to address the topic you are talking of, but simply a word on translation. I have little confidence in the NIV and I will be so bold as to say that had it been my translation years ago, my wife and I would have found to reason to believe God for children and to press through… now, happily, we have four children, where we had zero for over 15 years of marriage.

      • childofjesus says:

        Psalm 119:105 – Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light for my path.
        I have searched for God in the light of His Word ( Bible).
        In reply to : “I have little confidence in the NIV”
        After reading the Bible (NIV), I have found Confidence only in JESUS!!

    • lookinforacity says:

      Hi Shanta

      I’m not attempting to start a controversy, I Googled this so you could see for yourself what I was talking about. It is short, and will give you some idea as to what other things you might be missing as well.

      Try Answering These From Your Own NIV
      By Rex L. Cobb

      INSTRUCTIONS:
      Using the New International Version Bible, answer the following questions to this NIV quiz.
      Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the Bible verse (not from footnotes but from the text).

      Fill in the missing words
      1) in Matthew 5:44. “Love your enemies,__________ them that curse you, ______________ to them that hate you, and pray for them that __________ and persecute you.”
      2) According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast out this type of demon?
      3) According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?
      4) According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate’s first name?
      5) In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, they were fulfilling the words of the prophet. — Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV.
      6) In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out demons and to: ____________
      7) According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?
      8.) According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name?
      9) In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?
      10) In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? What did He come to do?
      11) In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?
      12) According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was the superscription written?
      13) In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?
      14) John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.
      According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?
      15) What happened each year as told in John 5:4?
      16) In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?
      17) In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?
      18) What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?
      19) Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.
      20) Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul?
      What was the chief captain’s name?
      What did the chief captain command?
      21) Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.
      22) 1Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ.
      In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh?
      23) In the second part of 1Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do?
      24) Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in 1John 5:7?
      25) Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deity of Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, “I am the A______________ and O___________, the _________ and the _______:”

      Conclusion: Little space is provided for your answers, but it’s much more than needed. If you followed the instructions above, you failed the test.
      (Ed. These are all missing in the NIV.) So now what do you think of your “accurate, easy to understand, up to date Bible”?
      If you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take this test using the Authorized (King James) Bible.

      Be Blessed
      JIM

      • childofjesus says:

        Fill in the missing words
        1) in Matthew 5:44. “Love your enemies,__________ them that curse you, ______________ to them that hate you, and pray for them that __________ and persecute you.”
        King James : But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
        NIV : But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
        Answer : “Love your enemies”.When i love them, other things will follow, automatically.

        2) According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast out this type of demon?
        King James: Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
        NIV: Some manuscripts include here words similar to Mark 9:29 He replied, “This kind can come out only by prayer.[a]”Some manuscripts prayer and fasting.
        Answer : There are certain things which need deeper prayer(close communion with God) which we get through fasting.As a soldier of God, i have understood that many battles are won by fasting & prayer.

        3) According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?
        King James: For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
        NIV : Some manuscripts include here the words of Luke 19:10 “For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”
        Answer : God’s love for the lost.So we need to show love for the lost.

        4) According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate’s first name?
        King James: And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.
        NIV:So they bound him, led him away and handed him over to Pilate the governor.
        Answer : Jesus was bounded & handed to the governor (of that time).Even though Jesus was God, he went through all these silently.

        5) In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, they were fulfilling the words of the prophet. — Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV.
        King James: And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
        NIV : When they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
        Answer : Jesus was crucified for our sins.Prophecy was fulfilled.He went through utmost humiliation and died for our sins.This was prophesied.

        6) In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out demons and to: ____________
        King James : And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:
        NIV:and to have authority to drive out demons
        Answer : In Jesus name demons will flee.We can do everything in Jesus name.

        7) According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?
        King James : If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
        NIV: Some manuscripts include here the words of 4:23 If anyone has ears to hear, let them hear.”
        Answer : To hear Jesus Words, we do not need these external ears (cos everybody had them), but a heart which is tuned to Him to understand His Words.

        8.) According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name?
        King James:For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
        NIV: I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”
        Answer : John was a Great servant of God.

        9) In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?
        King James : But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of
        NIV:But Jesus turned and rebuked them.
        Answer : Jesus rebuked the disciples James & John b’cos they wanted to destroy the samaritans who did not welcome them.

        10) In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? What did He come to do?
        King James : For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
        NIV: Then he and his disciples went to another village.
        Answer : From NIV version, from verse 54 it is understood that Jesus did not wanted to destroy the people, and hence rebuked the them.

        11) In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?
        King James : And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
        NIV: When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table.
        Answer : The apostles were with Jesus.(Names & Number are not given).

        12) According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was the superscription written?
        King James : And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
        NIV : There was a written notice above him, which read: THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
        Answer : Superscription read Jesus was THE KING OF JEWS.

        13) In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?
        King James : And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
        NIV :They gave him a piece of broiled fish,
        Answer : When Jesus appeared to His Jesus, He asked something to eat, when offered He ate it in their presence.(showing them He was not a Ghost).

        14) John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ.
        According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?
        King James : And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
        NIV: No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.
        Answer : The Son of Man has gone into heaven, from where He had come.

        15) What happened each year as told in John 5:4?
        KJV: For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
        NIV: John 5:4 Some manuscripts include here, wholly or in part, paralyzed—and they waited for the moving of the waters. From time to time an angel of the Lord would come down and stir up the waters. The first one into the pool after each such disturbance would be cured of whatever disease they had.
        Answer : In NIV verse 3 Here a great number of disabled people used to lie—the blind, the lame, the paralyzed.(sick people gathered near the pool verse2).Sir,” the invalid replied, “I have no one to help me into the pool when the water is stirred. While I am trying to get in, someone else goes down ahead of me.”

        16) In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?
        KJV : Nicodemus saith unto them, (he that came to Jesus by night, being one of them
        NIV: Nicodemus, who had gone to Jesus earlier and who was one of their own number, asked
        Answer : He came to Jesus at night.

        17) In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?
        KJV: And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
        NIV: Some manuscripts include here Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” The eunuch answered, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
        Answer : Believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

        18) What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?
        KJV : And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
        NIV: “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
        Answer : Jesus asked Saul what to do.

        19) Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.
        KJV: Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still
        NIV:Some manuscripts include here But Silas decided to remain there.
        Answer : Silas

        20) Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul?
        What was the chief captain’s name?
        What did the chief captain command?
        KJV: 6Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law. 7But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands, 8Commanding his accusers to come unto thee: by examining of whom thyself mayest take knowledge of all these things, whereof we accuse him.
        NIV: 6 and even tried to desecrate the temple; so we seized him. [7] [a] 8 By examining him yourself you will be able to learn the truth about all these charges we are bringing against him.”Footnotes:Acts 24:7 Some manuscripts include here him, and we would have judged him in accordance with our law. But the commander Lysias came and took him from us with much violence, ordering his accusers to come before you.
        Answer: Jews wanted to judge according to Law.
        Chief captain’s name : Lysias
        Chief captain commanded his accusers to come before you.

        21) Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.
        KJV:The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
        NIV:Some manuscripts include here May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with all of you. Amen.

        22) 1Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ.
        In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh?
        KJV:And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
        NIV:6 Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:
        He appeared in the flesh,
        was vindicated by the Spirit,[a]
        was seen by angels,
        was preached among the nations,
        was believed on in the world,
        was taken up in glory.
        Answer : God

        23) In the second part of 1Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do?
        KJV : If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
        NIV:If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.verse13 But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed.
        Answer: They have nothing good to say about Christ cos they have insulted us.
        Christians have to rejoice.

        24) Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in 1John 5:7?
        KJV:7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
        NIV: For there are three that testify: 8 the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.Footnotes:1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the fourteenth century)
        Answer: Father, Word & Holy Spirit..they bear witness on earth as Spirit,Water & Blood.

        25) Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deity of Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, “I am the A______________ and O___________, the _________ and the _______:”
        KJV: Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:
        NIV: 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

        I have answered the questions Using the New International Version Bible.I’m not worried about the scores for i know WHO HOLDS my scores.
        I have referred the the footnotes as it appears in the Bible.(Why should i not refer them ?)
        We are in Blessed time to refer the Bible, but time may come when we will have to look upon accurate, easy to understand, up to date AUTHOR of the Bible.

        In Christ
        Shanta

  3. childofjesus says:

    Another incident we see the Sin of Adultery & Murder is in 2 Samuel chapter 11.
    1) 2 Sam11:2-3 One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, 3 and David sent someone to find out about her.(EVIL DESIRE CONCEIVED).
    2) 2 Sam 11:3-4 The man said, “She is Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite.” 4 Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her.(EVIL ACTIONS ON EVIL DESIRE).
    3) 2 Sam 11:14-15 In the morning David wrote a letter to Joab and sent it with Uriah. 15 In it he wrote, “Put Uriah out in front where the fighting is fiercest. Then withdraw from him so he will be struck down and die.”(SIN FULLY GROWN).
    God loved David as a ‘Man after His own Heart’, however He took away his son born of adultery (Consequence of Sin).

    In the light of James chapter 1 verse13,14,& 15
    13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own EVIL DESIRE and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

    I would like to summaries

    1) Sin is breaking of God’s Law.
    2) It finds its roots in our heart (Evil desire conceived)… if not checked & uprooted(in JESUS’s Name)…gives birth to Sin (actions on evil desire).
    3) When Sin is fully grown (Further actions on evil desire) gives birth to death (Separation from God).

    In Christ
    Shanta

  4. childofjesus says:

    As you have mentioned “”it’s not from our evil desire, even that is not sin, we can have evil desire all day long, but until that desire is finally acted upon it is nothing more than just that, evil desire.”

    1) I want to know what did Jesus mean in Mat.5:27 ““You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’e 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart”.

    2) The first Murder : Cain murders his brother Able
    In Gen. 4:3-5 “Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. 4 And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor.

    Why did God accept Abel’s offering and not Cain’s ? Was there any GOOD DESIRE CONCEIVED in Abel’s heart & EVIL DESIRE CONCEIVED in Cain’s heart ?

    Later we read ” So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast. 6Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.” 8 Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.”[d] While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.

    • bornagainbytheblood says:

      childofjesus wrote: >>I want to know what did Jesus mean in Mat.5:27 ““You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’e 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart”.<< Jesus was saying that if you would have sexual intercourse with someone whom you are not married to (forbidden fruit), then you have committed adultery of the heart whether you actually carried it out or not. This is not, however, referring to mere sexual desire if you would under no circumstances act upon it; you're just being tempted, and the love of God restrains that desire so it doesn't become lust.

    • lookinforacity says:

      Hi Shanta

      Sorry about the delay in answering your question.

      The only thing being different between Cain and Able’s offering, was the fact is says

      Gen 4:3,4
      3) And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain (BROUGHT OF THE FRUIT OF THE GROUND) an offering unto the LORD.
      4) And Abel, he also (BROUGHT OF THE FIRSTLINGS OF HIS FLOCK) and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

      It appears as though Able chose a more perfect gift, being the first of his flock, not just some from his flock.
      First could have two meanings.
      1) The first born.of his flock
      2) The best of his flock

      No good or evil desire, that would be reading into the text something that isn’t even inferred.

      Be Blessed
      JIM

    • lookinforacity says:

      Hi Shanta

      I do not believe it is as simple as some would have us believe, look at the context of some of the related verses of the chapter.
      Mat 5:28
      But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

      Jesus appears to be teaching the multitudes about the severity of the law, in order to free them from it.

      Jesus started off by telling them.
      Mat 5:17,18
      17) Think not that (I AM NOT COME TO DESTROY THE LAW), or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, (BUT TO FULFILL).
      18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, (TILL ALL BE FULFILLED).

      Jesus then began to make them aware of just what the law entailed, showing them that God actually required more than He ever commanded them in the law, and they couldn’t even do those things.
      Jesus would then, show them by His own example, what he was talking about, by going to the cross.

      Mat 5:19,20
      19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
      20) For I say unto you, That (EXCEPT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED) the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

      Mat 5:21,22
      21) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, (THOU SHALT NOT KILL); and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
      22) But I say unto you, That (WHOSOEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WITHOUT A CAUSE) shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

      Mat 5:27,28
      27) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, (THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY):
      28) But I say unto you, That (WHOSOEVER LOOKETH UPON A WOMAN TO LUST) after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

      Mat 5:33-35
      33) Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, (THOU SHALT NOT FORSWARE THYSELF, BUT PERFORM UNTO THE LORD THINE OATHS):
      34) But I say unto you, (SWARE NOT AT ALL); neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne:
      35) Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

      Mat 5:38,39
      38) Ye have heard that it hath been said, (AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH):
      39) But I say unto you, That (YE RESIST NOT EVIL): but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

      Mat 5:43-45
      43) Ye have heard that it hath been said, (THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR, AND HATE THINE ENEMY).
      44) But I say unto you, (LOVE YOUR ENEMYS, BLESS THEM THAT CURSE YOU, DO GOOD TO THEM THAT HATE YOU, AND PRAY FOR THEM WHICH DESPITEFULLY USE YOU, AND PERSECUTE YOU);
      45) (THAT YOU MAY BE THE CHILDREN OF YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN): for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

      Mat 5:48
      (BE YE THEREFORE PERFECT, EVEN AS YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT).

      This last verse is the some total of all the others. We shouldn’t place to much emphasis on any one verse, because if you break one law you are guilty of the whole law. God requires us to go beyond the law, to fulfill the spirit of the law not just the letter.
      This task we can and do accomplish through Jesus Christ which strengthens us.

      Be Blessed
      JIM

  5. Timothy Luke says:

    “Are the acts of adultery, murder, stealing, homosexuality sin? Or are these acts the consequence of sin?”

    I believe the question itself is not accurate to biblical description. I would tweak it to ask,

    “Are the acts of adultery, murder, stealing, homosexuality sin? Or are these acts the manifestations of sin?”
    The question posed places an assumption of it is “either/or”. A manifestation is implicitly part of the object it manifests, where a consequence is a singular reaction that follows a singular action.
    Jesus says that sin is not just sin outwardly
    Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
    Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
    Jesus was indeed addressing sin here. Outwardly, they were sinless, “what have we done now?” they would ask, and according to the law, there was no transgression to dispute. BUT, they were in spiritual sin because their hearts were not aligned to the Lord.
    This happens in the church all the time and we brush it off, much like they did. We can be angry at those who have sinned against us, and as long as we don’t say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing, we act as though we are clean. YET, Jesus says, if we do not forgive our debtors FROM THE HEART, our debt will not be forgiven.
    Jesus also says, in Matthew 15:18-19:
    “But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:”
    “I can lust after a woman, just so long as I do not act out on it.” is a mindset some go around with…. afterall, “I’m a redblooded male, or female, what does God expect???” True answer – He expects us to take our thoughts captive and to honor Him by honoring our brothers and sisters he has created, and not viewing them as objects to fuel our sexual desires.
    Adultery, Murder, Stealing are the outward SINptoms of the inward Sin, which God judges. For God is spirit, and desires those who worship him to worship in spirit and in truth.
    Thats how I understand it.

    • lookinforacity says:

      Hi Tim

      Consequence:
      The effect, result, or outcome of something occurring earlier:
      Consequence as a result

      Example in the natural.
      The accident was the consequence of reckless driving.

      Example in the spiritual
      The act of committing Adultery, is the consequence of Transgressing the law against Adultery.

      Manifestation:
      The state of being manifested
      An indication or sign

      Example in the natural
      The indication of the existence, reality, or presence of something, such as an illness

      Example in the spiritual
      The act of giving is a manifestation of love, but giving, is not the only way in which love can be manifested.

      You are absolutely correct when you say.
      “The question posed places an assumption of it is “either/or”.”

      The question was designed to find out whether people believed, if the commission of these acts was sin, or is sin actually something else altogether.

      To put is simply, is your preference, chickens or eggs?

      1Jn 3:4
      Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for (SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW).

      This then is my stance, the things we do, is not what constitutes sin in our lives, the sin manifests itself, when in our hearts, we make the decision to commit the act.
      It is therefore at that moment, we Transgress the Law, causing the consequence of our sin, ie, “the act.”
      To quote a very smart man, “Singular reaction follows a singular action.”

      Jas 1:15
      Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

      Be Blessed
      JIM

      • Timothy Luke says:

        And just how am I supposed to have a cogent discourse with you, when you are being so logical? 🙂
        You are tying sin to actions, am I correct? I gather this from your statement that it is sin when we “make the decision to commit the act.” When someone lusts after a woman, does this only mean when they sin only when they commit themselves to consumate the physical act?

        • lookinforacity says:

          Hi Tim

          A Parallel example.

          Gen 22:1,2
          1) And it came to pass after these things, that (GOD DID TEMPT ABRAHAM), and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
          2) And he said, (TAKE NOW THY SON), thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; (AND OFFER HIM THERE FOR A BURNT OFFERING) upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

          Gen 22:9,10
          9) And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
          10) And Abraham (STRETCHED FORTH HIS HAND, AND TOOK THE KNIFE TO SLAY HIS SON).

          Gen 22:11,12
          11) And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
          12) And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: (FOR NOW I KNOW THAT YOU FEAREST GOD), (SEEING THOU HAST NOT WITHHELD THY SON), thine only son from me.

          From these verses we see.
          1) God tempted Abraham
          2) God told Abraham to sacrifice his only son.
          3) When Abraham took the knife to slay his son God stopped him.
          4) God said he now knew that Abraham feared God.

          Therefore the questions and the answers are.
          1) When did God know Abraham was going to slay Isaac?
          When Abraham had decided, (determined) within his heart to slay Isaac.

          2) What was the moment God knew Abraham would indeed slay Isaac?
          The moment the act was manifested, (conceived) within the heart of Abraham to do so..

          3) How did God know Abraham did not with-hold his son?
          Within the heart of Abraham he was willing to sacrifice his son.

          4) How did God know Abraham feared God?
          Within the heart of Abraham he believed God.
          ************************************************************
          My point is.
          Everything happened within the heart of Abraham.
          Abraham only reached for the knife, once he had determined within his heart, he was going to believe the promise of God, even when what he was about to do went against logic, Abraham’s heart was full of the act he was about to commit. This action by Abraham was not an act of sin, but of belief and faith, that God would perform the promise He had made. God looks upon the heart, and judges the heart.
          ************************************************************
          Just as with us, everything happens within the heart of man.

          Mar 7:20-23
          20) And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
          21) For from within, (OUT OF THE HEART OF MEN), proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
          22) Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
          23) (ALL THESE EVIL THINGS COME FROM WITHIN), and defile the man.

          In answer to the question, this is from my post.
          “The question was designed to find out whether people believed, if the commission of these acts was sin, or is sin actually something else altogether.”

          The only way I am tying sin to actions, is to say, the SIN, has already been committed in the heart of man, the moment the decision has been made to carry out the action.

          But in regard to the reference of the man who would lust after a woman, the scripture speaks for itself.
          This type of sin is within the heart itself, it is a sin of lust, no action necessary.

          Mat 5:28
          But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her
          (HATH COMMITTED ADULYERY WITH HER ALREADY IN HIS HEART).

          Within the heart of man, is where sin abides.
          The Sin, is the Transgression of the Law, not in the actions we commit.

          Be Blessed
          JIM

  6. childofjesus says:

    As i was thinking about this question, i looked James 1:15 ” Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.”, so it our desire (evil), that gives birth to sin..So i would say that the sin of adultery, murder, stealing, homosexuality are the consequences of our evil desire..

    • lookinforacity says:

      Hi Shanta

      Thank you for your response, it’s not from our evil desire, even that is not sin, we can have evil desire all day long, but until that desire is finally acted upon it is nothing more than just that, evil desire.

      The word we should be aware of that identifies what SIN actually is, is (TRANSGRESSION), this is the breaking of the law God has set.

      Gen 2:16,17
      16) (AND THE LORD GOD COMMANDED THE MAN), saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
      17) But (OF THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, THOU SHALT NOT EAT OF IT): for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

      1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for (SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW).

      Our actions, such as adultery, murder, homosexuality are not sin, in and of themselves.
      SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.
      When we do not obey Gods’ law, we Rebel against Gods’ Authority, and His right to set law.

      Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
      Rom 8:7 Because (THE CARNAL MIND) is enmity against God: for it (IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE LAW OF GOD), neither indeed can be.

      Subject:
      G5293
      To subordinate; reflexively to obey: – be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.

      Upon the fall of Adam, mankind acquired a sinful nature, because of this sinful nature, mankind is in a constant state of Rebellion against God, and thereby in Transgression of Gods’ laws.

      Joh 8:34
      Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

      We are the servants of sin from birth.

      Servant:
      G1401
      A slave (literally or figuratively, (INVOLUNTARILY or VOLINTARILY); frequently therefore in a qualified sense of subjection or subserviency): – bond (-man), servant.

      1Co 7:22
      For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord’s freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ’s servant.

      All of mankind from Adam, being born with a sinful nature, will Transgress the Law of God (SIN).

      Rom 3:23
      For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

      Rom 5:12
      Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

      Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
      Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

      Even after receiving Salvation, Christians will still Transgress, because even though they walk in the spirit, they are still in the body of the flesh.

      Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

      Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin (TRANSGRESSION) that dwelleth in me.
      Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
      Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

      Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin (TRANSGRESSION) which is in my members.

      Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin (TRANSGRESSION).

      Rom 5:13
      (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin (TRANSGRESSION) is not imputed when there is no law.

      Rom 8:2
      For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me (FREE FROM) the law of sin (TRANSGRESSION) and death.

      Be Blessed
      JIM

      • childofjesus says:

        Hi Jim!!
        You have beautifully explained what ‘Sin’ is ? that is ‘Breaking of God’s Law’..
        In James 1:15 “Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.” So i want to know how does a desire is conceived ? how does it grow ?
        (I love this bible study..i’m still learning..)

        • lookinforacity says:

          Hi Shanta

          Your question.
          “So I want to know how does a desire is conceived ? how does it grow ?”

          KJV:
          Jas 1:14,15
          14) But every man is (1)(TEMPTED), when he is drawn away of his own (2)(LUST), and (3)(ENTICED).
          15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth (4)(SIN): and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth (5)DEATH).

          The words dealt with within these two verses are.

          1) TEMPTED:
          G3984
          From the base of G4008 (through the idea of piercing); a test, that is, attempt, experience: – assaying, trial.
          G4008
          (to “peirce”); through, across: – beyond, farther (other) side, over.

          2) LUST:
          G1939
          From G1937; a longing (especially for what is forbidden): – concupiscence, desire, lust (after).
          G1937
          From G2372; to set the heart upon, that is, long for (rightfully or otherwise): – covet, desire, lust (after).

          3) ENTICED:
          G1185
          From the base of G1388; to entrap, (figuratively) delude: – allure, beguile.
          G1388
          To decoy; a trick (bait), (figuratively) wile: – craft, deceit, guile, subtlety.

          4) SIN:
          G266
          From G264; sin – offence, sin (-ful).
          G264
          Properly to miss the mark, (figuratively) to err, especially to sin: – offend, trespass.

          5) DEATH:
          G2288
          From G2348; death (literally or figuratively): – deadly, (be dead) death.
          G2348
          To die (literally or figuratively): – be dead, die.

          When man is Enticed (Tricked) by his own Lust (Desire), he is Tempted (Tried) but when Temptation comes into union with Lust, the conception of Sin (Trespass) takes place, Lust then brings forth that Sin to life, and Sin when it has come to it’s end, causes him Death (To Die).

          Rom 7:11
          For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

          NOTE ON DEFINITION FROM 1939 LUST – – bringeth forth death
          I did not list this part of the definition of Lust with the others, I wanted to show you something I find to be really neat.

          This definition goes further on, where G1937 left off. Take special note of the last line of G2380
          .

          G2372
          From G2380; passion (as if breathing hard): – fierceness, indignation, wrath.
          G2380
          A primary verb; properly to rush (breathe hard, blow, smoke), that is, (by implication) to sacrifice (properly by fire, but generally); by extension to immolate (slaughter for any purpose): – kill, (do) sacrifice, slay.

          I am assuming you are using the NIV of the bible.
          I would like to show you something.

          What I wanted to show you were a couple of things, that is why I posted the definitions.
          1) The Bible is a book of WORDS, these words have special meaning, in relation to the other words they are used in conjunction with.
          2) The proper usage of a particular word in the Bible text, can open up a whole world of deeper knowledge and understanding you would never have believed possible.

          Rom 10:17
          So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

          3) I do not believe it is possible, to come to the same Interpretation as I have here, because of the different words used within the NIV, the NIV just seems to be weak, as opposed to the KJV.

          NIV:
          James 1:14,15
          14) but each person is (TEMPTED) when they are dragged away by their own (EVIL DESIRE)and enticed.
          15) Then, after (DESIRE)has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

          Be Blessed
          JIM

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