Repentance, Ceasing from sin

As Christians, our saying “I am sorry”, or saying “I will stop”, is not in any way ( REPENTING ). The only thing you are doing, is saying that you have a desire to (REPENT).
When we are continually committing the same sin, doing the same things over and over that we would like to stop, we then have feelings of being defeated, unloved by God, or even abandoned by Him, because of our sin, that seemingly cannot be overcome.

But the truth of the matter is, we have not (REPENTED) at all, even though we have sought it with tears.
We have not Repented until we have turned away from, turned around from, what so easily besets us.

In Jesus words:
Joh 8:11
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

The following words define our feelings, which have been CONFUSED with the defining of the word REPENT.
These words stem from the word Repent, as found in the KJV, and as defined in the Strongs Concordance.
Words that are all linked to the definition of REPENT.
Even though we my have these feelings, we truly have not REPENTED, until we have (CEASED FROM SINNING). REPENTANCE is not a FEELING, it is an ACTION.
All of these feelings are the prompting by the Holy Spirit, that what we are doing is wrong, it is the wittiness in our spirit, that we need to stop.

Jas 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

By SUBMITTING yourself to God, that is the act of REPENTANCE, the actual stopping of the sin.
It is needful to understand at this point the work has already been accomplished for you.

The second part is the RESISTING, this is the hard part, it is totally dependent upon your faith in God, this is the ACTION part of your REPENTANCE, this is where you actively play a role, it says that “YOU” are the one that needs to do the resisting. ie, (Resist the Devil)

Remember this one fact, you are the one that walked into this sin, therefore you are the one that will have to do the walking away from it. This is accomplished only through your RESISTANCE to it.
We cannot say “the Devil made me do it.”

Jas 1:14
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of (HIS OWN LUST), and enticed.

In submitting to God, and your resistance to the Devil, you then achieve the desired goal, REPENTANCE.

The Following, are words that are equated with REPENTANCE, these words, are what make us feel as though we have REPENTED, but the truth of the matter is, they are only feelings.

G3340
To think differently or reconsider, (morally to feel Compunction)

G3338
To care afterwards, that is, regret, (Compunction)
1) A feeling of uneasiness or anxiety of the conscience caused by regret for doing wrong. See – (Remorse)
2) Any uneasiness or hesitation about the rightness of an action.
3) A strong uneasiness caused by a sense of guilt.
4) A sting of conscience or a pang of doubt aroused by wrongdoing or the prospect of wrongdoing. See – (Qualm)
1) (Qualm) – An uneasy feeling or pang of conscience as to conduct;
2) (Compunction) – A sudden feeling of apprehensive uneasiness. Sincere (Penitence or Remorse)
3) (Contrition) – Sorrow for, and Detestation of sin with a true purpose of amendment.
4) (Remorse) – Deep and painful regret for wrongdoing;
5) (Penitence) – The state of being Penitent; regret for one’s wrongdoing or sinning; Moral anguish, bitter regret.

As you can see, all of those words are in no way REPENTING. They are what we feel, as we find our way to our REPENTANCE.

REPENT – The Definition:
Usually denotes (SEPARATION, DEPARTURE CESSATION, COMPLETION, REVERSAL, ETC.) to think differently,
Remember most of all, if you are a Christian, having been overcome by a sin, you “HAVE” already been forgiven your past sins, by the blood of Jesus, and sin is not imputed to those who are in Christ Jesus.

Rom 5:13
(For until the law sin was in the world: but (SIN IS NOT IMPUTED WHERE THERE IS NO LAW).

Psa 32:2
Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD (IMPUTETH NOT INIQUITY), and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Rom 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become (DEAD TO THE LAW) by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now (NO CONDEMNATION) to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Our forgiveness (IS NOT CONDITIONAL), don’t condemn yourself, God doesn’t.
If you “ARE” in Christ Jesus, then you “DO” walk in the Spirit. We may from time to time, not walk as we want to walk, but this does not mean you have ceased from being a Child of God.

Rom 8:16,17 16)
16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that (WE ARE THE CHILDREN) of God:
17) (AND IF CHILDREN), then heirs; heirs of God, and (JOINT-HEIRS WITH CHRIST); if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points (TEMPTED LIKE AS WE ARE), yet without sin.

Gal 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ (HAVE PUT ON CHRIST).
We have become righteous through Jesus.

Rom 3:22
Even the (RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD) which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and (UPON ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE): for there is no difference:

1Co 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, (AND RIGHTEOUSNESS), and sanctification, and redemption:

So then, reckon yourselves to be DEAD, “DEAD to SIN”, DEAD to the LAW”, DEAD to the FLESH.”

Rom 6:1,2
1) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2) God forbid. How shall we, that are (DEAD TO SIN), live any longer therein?

Rom 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be (DEAD INDEED TO SIN), but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become (DEAD TO THE LAW) by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Gal 2:19
For I through the law am (DEAD TO THE LAW), that I might live unto God.

Rom 8:3,4 3)
3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, (CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH):
4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, (WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH), but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:9
(BUT YOU ARE NOT IN THE FLESH), but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

After studying this question, I have come to the conclusion, “Repentance is only for the Believer.”
Once a person has received Salvation, they then can, or have the ability to Repent.

Heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Rom 8:8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

The act of Repentance entails the quality of Forgiveness, without the Forgiveness of God, there can be no Repentance.

Joh 8:11
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

What do YOU think?

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Comments

  1. Timothy Luke says:

    Hey Jim, thanks for your thoughtful posts. I am asking permission to ‘nit-pick’ here. Thanks!

    The verse that speaks of Esau not finding a place of repentance tho he sought it carefully with tears, is often misunderstood to mean Esau sought repentance with tears and was not granted repentance. The historical account shows that Esau cried when he lost his birthright. He sought his birthright, pleading with Isaac to restore it from Jacob. The word “it” is referencing Esau seeking the blessing with tears, not his seeking repentance. The misinterpretation of this leaves it open for us to question God’s grace in hearing our prayers of repentance. If we confess our sins, He is indeed faithful to forgive us our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

    Thanks for sharing your wisdom.
    Tim

    • lookinforacity says:

      Hi Tim

      I grant unto you unlimited ‘Nit-Picking’ privileges, but this post of yours, I would not conceder to be of the nit picking variety.

      A true picking of nits would involve your picking the nits from my words, and clarifying them with your own, you have not done this, so I most definitely do not take any umbrage because of your comments.

      I would define your comments as an Addendum to the original post I made, any time you have something to add, add away.{:>})

      As Always
      Be Blessed
      JIM

  2. E.isAffraidOfTheBigBad.Wolf says:

    “As Christians, our saying “I am sorry”, or saying “I will stop”, is not in any way
    ( REPENTING ). The only thing you are doing, is saying that you have a desire to
    (REPENT).
    When we are continually committing the same sin, doing the same things over
    and over that we would like to stop, we then have feelings of being defeated,
    unloved by God, or even abandoned by Him, because of our sin, that seemingly
    cannot be overcome.
    But the truth of the matter is, we have not (REPENTED) at all, even though we
    have sought it with tears.
    We have not Repented until we have turned away from, turned around from,
    what so easily besets us.”

    __________

    I’m happy for you and the revelation God has given you!

    It’s important that you at least see your sin and understand repentence vs. remorse. That’s a big step! I will pray for you to reach a point of true repentance, that God will justly bless you and I wish you well.

    I won’t be monitoring these pages any longer personally but will “try” to respond if I get a notice that my suscribed pages have had activity. (no promises though)

    I know you have your own system for monitoring us (users),

    hence the subscribed pages
    If there’s a need to contact us for any reason…you can use our registered email or use [email protected]

    God Bless You and as promised yesterday I will pray EVERYDAY.

  3. bornagainbytheblood says:

    I agree that repenting requires action; we must use our own will to forsake sin once and for all. As to this statement, “Remember most of all, if you are a Christian, having been overcome by a sin, you “HAVE” already been forgiven your past sins, by the blood of Jesus, and sin is not imputed to those who are in Christ Jesus.”

    If I am understanding you correctly, you are teaching that a child of God who reaches out for sin is not imputed that sin because of the blood of Jesus? If this person died in that state of willful sin, would they still go to heaven?

    • Holyroller_11 says:

      Sin nature dies inside a fully armed saint,therefore he has power over sin,and POWER to walk away, So by choice,not addiction he returns to where he was before, Hell is going to be HOT ! Why so many are looking for a loophole to sin is beyond me. Are people so stupid to think they can fool or trick God ? He who commiteth SIN, is of the devil, who sinneth from the beginning. If satan ,with all his abilty to deseive people can not trick his way back in,how do we dare think we can ?

      • bornagainbytheblood says:

        I was trying to get clarity on JIM’s position.

        The Word clearly rejects the OSAS (once saved always saved) teaching. If a Saint reaches out for sin, then he/she will spiritually die just like Adam & Eve. The former Saint will have fallen from grace into disgrace. Can he/she get back to God? Sure, it’s possible through godly sorrow; however, once they have fallen into sin, it’s hard to escape the devil’s clutches. Everyone likes to cite King David, but look at how much bleaching his bones in prayers and sorrows it took to find God again. How many have fallen and could not find their way back to God?

        The soul that sinneth, it shall die – Ezekiel 18:4

        And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. – Genesis 2:16-17

        But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. – James 1:14-15

        • Holyroller_11 says:

          Even David paid a high price,the death of his baby, When we choose sin,even for a season,the price of it,cost more than we can afford. So when the result of sin shows up,then crys to God because of our own doing,and even though he delivers,scars are often left to remind us.there is a price,sometimes lasting the rest of our life.

        • lookinforacity says:

          Stephen

          Here is clarity on my position.

          Repentance is the actual turning away from sin, our ceasing to sin, it is impossible to continue to sin, and be in a state of repentance at the same time.

          Example:
          Two different types of people, one is an alcoholic, the other is an I.V. drug user.
          Both have an addiction.

          How do both of these two people become free of their addiction?

          They both have to cease from their intake of alcohol and drugs, never to do them again.
          As long as they refrain they stay clean, they are free of their addiction
          But the moment either of these people partake of alcohol and drugs again, they become addicted again, there is no middle ground for them, they cannot drink alcohol and take drugs and remain clean.

          Repentance is the same way, you either have repented, or you haven’t.
          There is no middle ground for us, if we do again those things we have repented of, we are no longer in a state of repentance.

          JIM

          • bornagainbytheblood says:

            JIM – if “we are no longer in a state of repentance”, then what is the state of our souls at that point in time? Do you teach that we are still saved?

          • lookinforacity says:

            Steven

            If you would take the time to read my posts then you would already know the answer to that question.

            Speaking of questions, you haven’t answered any of mine yet.
            And it would be nice if when you made statements, you had scripture to support the, and to back up what you are saying, otherwise your statements are nothing more than opinions, assumptions, suppositions.

            JIM

          • bornagainbytheblood says:

            JIM – I have provided scripture; to provide further scripture would be pointless, as you would just debate them. Furthermore, you believe mankind lost his freewill after the fall, so there’s no need for me to proceed any further with that line of thinking because it’s false teaching.

          • Hi Jim,

            It’s been a while since I’ve been to this forum. Interesting topic you started. I believe similar (I think) to what you state here, but I’ll briefly explain my understanding so perhaps you can then elaborate if we agree.

            Repentance is a ONCE ONLY event, as Heb 6:1-6 shows.

            “Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from DEAD WORKS and of faith toward God………
            For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.”

            If a Christian should fall away into the sin of unbelief then it is impossible to renew them to repentance. And John 16:9 confirms that its the sin of unbelief in Jesus that the world will be convicted of.

            And note how Heb 6:1 tells us that we repented of “DEAD WORKS”. Self-righteousness, whether through works of the law or not, is dead works. Our own righteousness is as filthy rags. And, as 1John 5:17 says, “all unrighteousness is sin”.

            So we see Christians have repented and turned away from self-righteous DEAD WORKS (sin).
            And scripture confirms this.
            1John 3:9
            “Whoever has been born of God does NOT SIN, for His seed (Christ) remains in him; and he CANNOT SIN, because he has been born of God.”

            1Peter 4:1
            “since Christ suffered for us in the flesh (crucified), arm yourselves also with the same mind (Rom 6:6, our old man crucified with him), for he who has suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) has CEASED FROM SIN”,

            ALL Christians have CEASED from sin once they have repented, turned to Christ. Unfortunately many misunderstand what sin is, due to mans ambiguous definitions of the term, and incorrectly claim they still sin. This is just a matter of not applying God’s definitions of sin when they read scripture.

            BUT, as they have submitted to God’s righteousness through the faith of Christ, they have truly CEASED from sin.

          • lookinforacity says:

            Hi Haz

            Nice to see you back, stay for awhile and drink of the Spirit, refresh your soul, we are all diminished when a part of the body is not functioning. I hope things have been going well in your walk with the Lord since you departed.

            I would say yes, we do see things the same, you might come from a slightly different place, but we have both reached the same destination.

            John 8:36
            If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

            The (free indeed) part of that statement is very important, it’s sin itself which we have been freed from, there is no longer any debt, or sacrifice for the debt we owed. Jesus paid the debt, He is our Propitiation, and we have been freed from sin indeed.

            FREE
            G1658
            eleutheros
            unrestrained (to go at pleasure), that is, (as a citizen) not a slave (whether freeborn or manumitted), or (generally) exempt (from obligation or liability): – free (man, woman), at liberty.

            FREE
            G1659
            eleutheroō
            From G1658; to liberate, that is, (figuratively) to exempt (from moral, ceremonial or mortal liability): – deliver, make free.

            INDEED
            G3689
            ontōs
            really: – certainly, clean, indeed, of a truth, verily.

            INDEED
            G1510
            eimi
            First person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist (used only when emphatic): I – am, have been

            Hebrew 10:1,10,14-17
            1) For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

            10) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
            14) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

            15) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
            16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

            17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

            JIM

          • Timothy Luke says:

            Haz, allow me to comment on your last two paragraphs….

            “ALL Christians have CEASED from sin once they have repented, turned to Christ. Unfortunately many misunderstand what sin is, due to mans ambiguous definitions of the term, and incorrectly claim they still sin. This is just a matter of not applying God’s definitions of sin when they read scripture.

            BUT, as they have submitted to God’s righteousness through the faith of Christ, they have truly CEASED from sin.”

            This brings us to the definition of “Christians”. If you restrict the definition to those who have ceased from sin, that is an understandable definition, and my understanding would be that it means those who have ceased from the pursuit of sin and the servitude to sin.
            Romans 6 is written to the church in Rome. It is my understanding that the Church is made up of Christians. The Christians in the Church in Rome were admonished to choose whom they were going to serve on a daily basis, once they gave their lives to Jesus.
            There are various people included in the definition of Christian, with varied levels of maturity as Christians. It is my conviction that since Christians are often exhorted in the New testament to walk not according to the flesh, that it is possible for Christians to walk after the flesh and somewhere along the lines, have their hearts hardened… Jesus speaks of the good seed sown among thorns being those who receive the gospel and grow in it… are they not Christians??? The seed is good. The ground is fertile. They grow and may even begin to bear fruit even (most certainly they are capable of it, for the seed they spring from is made to reproduce reproducers) yet the cares of the world choke them out.
            Now, if they can be true seed and have true growth, is that not what makes a Christian? Yet, Many admonitions are to those who are warned about going back to the world. Even Paul’s helpers were waylaid by the pursuit of the things of the world….
            2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
            2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
            2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
            2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
            2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
            2Ti 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
            2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
            2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
            2Ti 4:9 Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me:
            2Ti 4:10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
            2Ti 4:11 Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry.
            Do these things not speak to the clarity that Christians can indeed forsake the Gospel and turn back to sin as a dog to its vomit? It appears there is a mindset here that refuses that possibility by redefining it and/or denying it. Am I misunderstanding something here, or how do you view and interpret these verses quoted and alluded to? It appears that your definition of a Christian only allows for those who finish the race and not for those on the path, who will always have choices. Is this a fair assessment?

          • lookinforacity says:

            Hi TIM

            When you say:
            “the good seed sown among thorns being those who receive the gospel and grow in it”

            1) What is the good seed which was being sown by the sower?
            2) How are you defining (the Gospel), in relation to the way you have used it in your statement?

            You then ask the question:
            “are they not Christians???”

            3) How and at what point, did they become Christians?
            4) Who was Jesus speaking this Parable to?

            The word (Gospel), is not even used in any of the three renderings of this Parable, Mat,13 – Mark 4 – Luke 8

            JIM

          • Hi Tim,

            I agree Christians are not out of the woods yet. We’re still in the race, hence some could fall away (sin) still.

            Heb 12:1,2
            “Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the SIN (unbelief, which includes self-righteousness through works of law) which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus”,

            Unfortunately, to fall away after having known Christ, it is IMPOSSIBLE to be renewed again to repentance (Heb 6:1-6). Like you said, such people are like a dog returning to it’s vomit (2Pet 2:20-22).

            Whilst in Christ we cannot sin as His seed (Christ) is in us (1John 3:9).
            As Christ is in us, our bodies are DEAD because of sin (Rom 8:10).
            As long as we continue in Christ then our righteousness is by faith.

            This is not saying we behave perfectly in the physical though. Should a christian do wrong they will not profit by it. Consider the discipline King David received for his adultery/murder.

            But, in spite of this imperfect physical life we live in, Christ in us makes us righteous, holy, sanctified, perfected and ceased from sin. We don’t look at the physical to see evidence of this. Remember we walk by faith.
            We don’t see evidence that our body is dead and crucified with Christ. We accept it by faith.

          • michael says:

            Your argument seems to be: the Bible says that Christians have ceased from sin. Therefore whatever it is that Christians may be doing at times – cheating, lying, lusting, being lazy and so on – as long as we can say that it is not “unbelief” we can say that it is not SIN.

            I think this is a really dangerous doctrine. Changing the meaning of words like “sin” will never lead to truth.

            Unfortunately I have to go to work and can’t delve into this right now.

          • Hi Michael,

            God gives us definitions of sin and it’s these I refer to. Below are some examples from scripture of definitions of sin.

            1: Mark 3:29 Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. This sin will not be forgiven. Christians do not commit this sin.

            2: John 16:9 Unbelief in Jesus. This is the sin the world is convicted of. Christians do not commit this sin either.

            3: 1John5:17 “all unrighteousness is sin”. Christians are righteous in Christ so here we do not sin.

            4: 1John3:4 “Sin is transgression of the law”. This is breaking the 10 commandments resulting in a death penalty for transgression.
            Christians cannot be accused of sin here as we are not under the law of sin and death.
            The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus sets free from the law of sin and death, (Rom 8:2).
            Regarding the law of sin and death it should be noted that:
            “whatever the law says it says to those who are under it” (Rom 3:19).
            “the law was not made for a righteous person (Christians), but for…the ungodly and for sinners” (1Tim 1:9).
            “where there is no law there is no transgression (SIN)” (Rom 4:15).

            Using theses examples of sin we can see why scriptures say that Christians cannot sin (1John 3:6-9), ceased from sin (1Pet 4:1), freed from sin (Rom 6:7).

            What definition of sin do you use?

    • lookinforacity says:

      Stephen

      Why when you make your statement, why do you completely disregard the following scriptures, which were posted after my statement, in order to back up my statement?

      Rom 5:13
      (For until the law sin was in the world: but (SIN IS NOT IMPUTED WHERE THERE IS NO LAW).

      Psa 32:2
      Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD (IMPUTETH NOT INIQUITY), and in whose spirit there is no guile.

      Rom 7:4
      Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become (DEAD TO THE LAW) by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

      Rom 8:1 There is therefore now (NO CONDEMNATION) to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

      You therefore are not disagreeing with me but scripture itself.
      Here is another verse you also need to consider.

      1Jn 3:9
      Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

      JIM

      • bornagainbytheblood says:

        JIM – I believe you are advocating that a child of God cannot lose their salvation, which is false teaching. I know for a fact that if I reached out for the forbidden fruit (sin), then I would lose my salvation; it’s taught in the scripture, and I have already given a few of them. What’s more, you cited 1 John 3:9 which states that a child of God doth not commit sin. Therefore, if Saints forsake God’s commandments and commit sin, then they become a child of the devil, again. There is condemnation again because they are not in Christ Jesus; they are walking after the flesh, and not the Spirit; they are the children of disobedience, again.

        Ephesians 5:6 – Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

        • lookinforacity says:

          Stephen

          So what you are advocating is God does not allow a Christian to willfully sin, but He does allow the unconscious sin of the believer.

          As an example:

          You are in traffic, some jerk cuts you off, causing you to almost have an accident, you get angry, maybe even say a few choice words.

          How long does it take for you to calm down and ask God for forgiveness of the anger?
          At the same time you are asking for forgiveness, do you also forgive the jerk?
          If before you can come to the Lord, you have a heart attack and die, do you go to hell?

          JIM

          • bornagainbytheblood says:

            JIM – I might get initially upset, but I don’t curse! I have been delivered from that. It’s a fruit of the Spirit, which is temperance (self control).

            JIM wrote: “If before you can come to the Lord, you have a heart attack and die, do you go to hell?”

            Answer: Yes. I would also wonder if you were really saved in the first place.

          • lookinforacity says:

            Stephen

            The question was to you about you, and you answered it that way until you said.
            Answer:Yes. I would also wonder if you were really saved in the first place.

            Are you saying you question your own salvation?

            JIM

          • bornagainbytheblood says:

            JIM – I answered in haste last night as I was getting off the computer. To answer your question: if I cussed at someone, then yes I would go to hell in that backslidden condition; and, I would not be surprised if someone else questioned my salvation in the first place. I don’t make excuses for myself, as I have to live up to the Word just like everyone else who expects to see heaven one day.

            JIM asked: “Are you saying you question your own salvation?”
            Answer: not at all; but if I reach out for sin, then I am lost again.

            If people are having a hard time controlling their tongues, and they know it’s wrong and want to be free, then Jesus will forgive them if they are determined to be delivered from it. Seek and ye shall find, ask and ye shall receive, knock and the door will be opened to you. If, however, they don’t really care about their unbridled tongue, then they might as well face the fact that their religion is vain.

            James 1
            [26] If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.

            James 3
            [5] Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
            [6] And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
            [7] For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
            [8] But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
            [9] Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
            [10] Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

        • lookinforacity says:

          Stephen

          When scripture says
          2Co 7:10
          For godly sorrow worketh repentance to (SALVATION NOT TO BE REPENTED OF).: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

          What is this verse saying that is (NOT TO BE REPENTED OF)?
          Does that itself not equal (OSAS)?

          I believe you speak out of the Doctrine you have been taught by your Denomination, more than you speak out of your personal knowledge gained by the Holy Ghost.

          When you say.
          ” I know for a fact that if I reached out for the forbidden fruit (sin), then I would lose my salvation;”
          I believe what you have said is absolutely true, but what do you base your belief in, to be able to make such a bold statement?

          This is what I base my belief in.
          Heb 6:4-6
          4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
          5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
          6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

          When you say.
          “and I have already given a few of them.”

          Ezekiel 18:4 – – Genesis 2:16-17 – – James 1:14-15 – – Ephesians 5:6
          If these are the scriptures you are referring to about loosing your salvation, they don’t quite make you case.

          Moving on, you say,
          1 John 3:9 which states that a child of God doth not commit sin. Therefore, if Saints forsake God’s commandments and commit sin, then they become a child of the devil, again.”

          Let me break it down for you.
          1Jn 3:9
          Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

          1) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
          This means everyone who is saved, a born again child of God, a Christian, these are the ones who do not commit sin.

          The question then arises, why can’t the child of God sin?

          2) for his seed remaineth in him:
          Who’s seed is being spoken of here?
          The Holy Ghost (Spirit) of God is the seed of God.
          What then is the result of the child of God having the seed ( Holy Spirit) remaining in him?

          3) and he cannot sin,
          Why can the child of God not sin?

          4) because he is born of God.

          Therefore, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; because he is born of God.

          Nowhere within this verse do we see, what you say, “Therefore, if Saints forsake God’s commandments and commit sin, then they become a child of the devil, again.”
          As a matter of fact, what you say isn’t even inferred, or alluded to in this verse, but your insinuation is, that a child of God can willfully forsake Gods’ commandments, and willfully walk back into the arms of the Devil.
          At this point I ask you a very simple question, would you walk away willfully from God? If not then why do you believe others would?

          Almost finished you say:
          “There is condemnation again because they are not in Christ Jesus; they are walking after the flesh, and not the Spirit;”

          The whole thing in context.
          Rom 8:1-4
          1) There is therefore now (NO CONDEMNATION TO THEM) which are in Christ Jesus, (“WHO” WALK NOT AFTER THE DLSEH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT). (PERIOD)
          2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

          We are now walking after a New Law, which overrides, and supercedes the Law of Sin and Death, we have been set free from the Law, we have died to the Law, we are dead to the Law, we are in Christ Jesus.

          3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

          Sin in the life of the believer has been condemned in the flesh of the believer by Jesus Christ, therefore sin hath no more dominion over him, for we are no longer under the law, but under grace

          4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

          Sin has been condemned in the flesh by Jesus Christ, that the righteousness of the law which has been written on the heart of the believer might be fulfilled in us who believe.

          Where within any of the preceding four verses does it say, once you are saved, that you have a choice in whether or not you walk in the Spirit.
          NOWHERE – – – your right.

          You did not have a choice from the time you were born in the flesh, whether or not you would walk in sin, you were born that way, with a sin nature, you , as all of mankind was corrupted by the fall of Adam, you so readily accept that fact, you don’t question it.

          But contrary to this, when you accept Christ as Savior, becoming Born Again of the Spirit, you say that you have the power to walk away from your Salvation.
          You did not possess the power of choice to walk away from sin, the only way you were able to walk away from sin, was by the power of the Holy Spirit, the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, granted to you through HIS Grace.

          Once you were born of the flesh, you were flesh, once you have been born of the Spirit, you have once again become as Adam was spirit, you have been RECONCILLED TO GOD.

          What you so disdainfully call the doctrine of “Once Saved Always Saved” is not the subject, so if you would care to carry the discussion further, check out my new BLOG I am going to post after I post this to you.

          JIM

  4. childofjesus says:

    I completely agree that “Repentance is only for Believers”.
    When we repent for our sins, we ask God to intervene to make us free from sin.He has the Power to Forgive us & Ability to wash us from sins !!!

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