Prophets/Apostles

If an apostle is one who saw Jesus and walked with him, does that mean ppl who call themselves apostles and prophets/prophetess’ are false? Im trying to understand some thing…..

What do YOU think?

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  1. lookinforacity says:

    Hi MWalker

    First in explanation to your question, these are the definitions for the word APOSTLE
    These definitions are from the Strong’s Concordance

    G652
    ἀπόστολος
    apostolos
    ap-os’-tol-os
    From G649; a delegate; specifically an ambassador of the Gospel; officially a commissioner of Christ (“apostle”), (with miraculous powers): – apostle, messenger, he that is sent.

    G649
    ἀποστέλλω
    apostellō
    ap-os-tel’-lo
    From G575 and G4724; set apart, that is, (by implication) to send out (properly on a mission) literally or figuratively: – put in, send (away, forth, out), set [at liberty].

    I hope from these two definitions you can understand, the Apostles weren’t called Apostles because they saw or walked with Christ as you say. An Apostle is someone who is sent out. The office of an Apostle, is someone who goes out from a body of believers and establishes churches in new areas, then oversees or is responsible for the functioning of them. Paul is the primary example of the office of an Apostle.
    The following is from scripture.

    1Co 12:28
    And God hath set some in the church, first APOSTLES, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

    Eph 4:11 And he gave some, APOSTLES; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    Eph 4:12 FOR THE PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS, FOR THE WORK OF THE MINISTRY, FOR THE EDIFYING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST:
    Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    So as you can see from scripture, there are still Apostles in the church today, even though they have not seen the Lord as the 12 Apostles did. They have been set in the church (body of Christ) by God for the perfecting of the Saints.

    Now just because someone may call themselves an Apostle, does not necessarily mean they are an Apostle.

    Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    Mat 7:16 YE SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    Mat 7:20 WHEREFORE BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM.

    Some people take unto themselves the title of Apostle in order to sound more Holy to others. A true Apostle is someone who God assigns to the position, not someone who assigns themselves to the position.
    The same thing goes for anyone claming to be a PROPHET.
    You need to try (Prove) them as a Prophet. Examine closely whatever they may say making sure there words are from the Lord, to make sure they truly are speaking the words of God. Just because someone may say “Thus Says The Lord”, doesn’t mean they are speaking for the Lord.
    Again you shall know them by their fruits.

    1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
    1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    Then again there are those that are Christians that may believe they have a Prophesy, They would still fall into the category of false Prophet.
    Speaking, or Prophesying is serious business, people don’t take it seriously, but GOD DOES.

    Deu 18:20
    20) BUT THE PROPHET, WHICH SHALL PRESUME TO SPEAK A WORD IN MY NAME, WHICH I HAVE NOT COMMANDED HIM TO SPEAK, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, EVEN THAT PROPHET SHALL DIE.
    21) And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
    22) When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, IF THE THING FOLLOW NOT, NOR COME TO PASS, THAT IS THE THING WHICH THE LORD HATH NOT SPOKEN, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

    I have just looked back at your post and see that Michael has already answered your post.
    God bless

    JIM

  2. The word "apostle" in Greek "apolostolos" means "sent one". This greek lexicon gives the following definition.

    a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders

    1. specifically applied to the twelve apostles of Christ
    2. in a broader sense applied to other eminent Christian teachers

      1. of Barnabas
      2. of Timothy and Silvanus

    In one sense, anyone sent out by Jesus to go in His name, especially as a missionary, might possibly qualify for the title of apostle. But I believe there is more to it than this.

    There are Twelve Apostles of the Lamb, special apostles that walked with Jesus during his earthly ministry and were sent out by Him on various assignments. As I see it, Mathias replaced Judas, who as we know betrayed the LORD.

    There are no apostles today in the same sense as these original twelve.

    However, I believe there are apostles today in a lesser sense of the word BECAUSE OF THE BIBLE'S OWN TESTIMONY.

    Eph 4:11  And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
    Eph 4:12  for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
    Eph 4:13  till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;

     

    If God gave any of these ministries until we come to the unity of the faith, he gave ALL of them UNTIL such a time. I believe the list stands or falls together. Therefore, even if I never see a real apostle in my life, it does not mean that there are not such men on the earth today.

    Paul lists the signs of an apostle. 2Corinthians 12:12  Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds.
     

    Paul also writes:

    1Co 9:1  Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord?
    1Co 9:2  If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.

     

    So then, an apostle is someone who has seen Jesus, who is free (substantially free from demons and sin) who has established churches ("are you not my work in the Lord?"), who shows extreme perseverance in the face of difficulties, who works signs and wonders in the name of Jesus, and does mighty deeds.

    If a person cannot claim all of the following, I do not believe they would be wise to claim that they are an "apostle". It may be possible in some sense to "do the work of an apostle", i.e. "pioneer" a ministry, without really being an apostle in the full sense of the word. And no one can be an apostle in the same sense as the twelve apostles of the Lamb, or the Scripture writing apostles, like Paul. God used these men to lay the foundation of the early church. It doesn't need to be "relaid", it just needs to be "re-implemented" in different areas where the church has not yet been established. God may use "apostolic" men to accomplish this task, but the authority of such men will never exceed the authority of the New Testament Scriptures written as they were, generally, by the New Testament apostles.

     

    The Scripture also speaks of "false apostles". Jesus commended the church in Ephesus for testing men who claimed to be apostles and finding them false. Now if there were no true apostles today, there would be no need to test them either. All such claims could be dismissed out of hand. This is in fact what conservative evangelicals would generally do. Its a lazy approach. Accustomed as they are to God doing nothing supernatural in their lives, they generally assume that anything supernatural that happens is false or of the devil. It makes the job of discernment a whole lot easier when you have a ready made rule which gives you the answer before you start to make enquiry.

    We are warned about false apostles and false prophets. These are the guys that are always boasting about themselves, always marketing themselves, always building their own brand, always raising money to fund their opulent lifestyles – but are fundamentally dishonest and uncaring in the way they treat people.

    I hope this goes some way towards answering your question.

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