Mormon Religion

The Mormon religion was founded by Joseph Smith around 1830 in the United States of America. It is a fast growing religious movement which claims more than 12 million adherents worldwide as of 2006 (1). Mormonism teaches that historical Christianity is totally apostate, and God raised up Joseph Smith as a prophet to restore it. In addition to using the Bible (which they believe is totally inadequate by itself to tell us what we need to know), mormons believe that the “revelations” “discovered” by Joseph Smith which came to be written down as the “Book of Mormon” are Scripture. They also base their religious system on two other books: “Doctrines and Covenants” and “The Pearl of Great Price” as well as the pronouncements of their “living prophets”, which they teach are Scripture and binding on all true believers.

Mormonism spreads primarily through its worldwide missionary efforts – good young unmarried mormon men are required to do two years missionary service. There are other recommendation for women and for those who have finished with child rearing responsibilities. Mormonism appeals to many on the basis of its appeal to strong family values. But when you look deeper into this mysterious and fascinating religion, you will find all kinds of bizarre practices and beliefs.

Mormonism now teaches that God was once a man, and that man may become a God (through mormonism, of course). This contradicts the book of mormon itself, but mormons don’t really follow what the book of Mormon says anyway. Mormons are taught that God the Father is now on a planet near the star Kolob with his wives having spiritual children. They believe that Jesus and Lucifer (Satan) were once spirit brothers. They once taught that Jesus was married to more than one wife (I’m not sure if this doctrine is still taught). Some of the other fascinating religious beliefs of this group are listed below later in this page.

Many mormons at some time in their lives get involved in mysterious secret rites which are practiced at their special mormon temples. These rites include baptism for the dead. Mormons believe that by being baptised “in proxy” for their departed relatives and for others, they can release their souls so as to be able to enter a higher paradise. Mormons also believe in the importance of wearing a special kind of magic underwear, which is supposed to protect them somehow. This underwear is supposed to be worn at all times except when washing. The underwear has on it certain images from the occultic religion of freemasonry. Mormon temples are reputedly full of masonic imagery – apparently Joseph Smith was a freemason also at one stage. The temple rituals are supposed to be totally secret. However some former temple workers who left the mormon church have revealed the rituals as they were and probably are still practiced. You will not be any closer to God if you know the substance of these rituals, I can assure you.

The Mormon publication, “The Doctrine of Salvation, V.1.” on page 188 states that “Mormonism so-called stands or falls on the history of Joseph Smith. For either he was a prophet, with divine calling, name and empowerment, or he was one of the greatest charlatans the world has ever known”.

If Joseph Smith was a true prophet from God, then his prophecies should have come to pass. However, there are plenty of cases where they did not. For example, Joseph Smith claimed that before 1891, and before he reached the age of 85, Jesus Christ would return. Well, Joseph Smith did not reach the age of 85 – he was murdered on the 27th of July 1844. And we know that Jesus Christ didn’t return before 1891, bringing an end to the present world order.

Smith prophesied in 1832 concerning the American civil war that the British would get involved and the war would extend to all nations. This is just one of his false prophecies concerning the American civil war. Smith also predicted the demise of the government of the state of Missouri which had displeased him – this never happened. He prophesied that the civil war would not result in the freedom of ‘Ham’ – this could not happen until the millenium according to Smith. Here again Smith was demonstrating just what a false prophet he was.

As to the character of Joseph Smith Jr., the historical record is clear that he was a man who sneaked off and took multiple wives, including the wives of other men, to be his own wives. He justified this with special revelations, claiming God told him to do it. Brigham Young, one of the early “apostles” of Mormonism apparently had 19 or more wives also. Although the mormon church today does not advocate polygamy or polyandry, why shouldn’t they be willing to follow the leadership of their own Prophets? Could it be that those prophets were in error, or did God actually command them to do these things?

Mormonism can look good to sincere people who are untaught in the Scriptures. They have a well-oiled religious organisation and an incredible amount of money to back it. They don’t teach people all their strange beliefs until later on – especially after they are baptised. If Mormon beliefs were widely known by all, that cult would have a hard time gaining any new converts. But they will continue to gain converts no doubt, as long as widespread ignorance concerning the Bible exists around the world, and people remain open to the deceptive religious spirits in this world which deceive people by a thousand and one methods of false religion.

The other thing to note is that Mormons teach things which promote wholesome family life and they are really good at organizing family and community events in such a way as to create a tremendous support network for their members. Even so, lovers of truth need to look at the foundations of the movement, for what shall it profit a man if he has a great family life, if he loses his soul?

Mormon Beliefs

Prospective mormons are encouraged to pray to God to ask if the book of Mormon be true. They are told that the answer will come to them by means of a burning sensation in their bosom. Sadly, many people don’t bother to check out the Book of Mormon according to more objective tests – like internal consistency, archaelogical support and so on. The fact that many mormons testify to this experience of “burning in the bosom” doesn’t make the book of mormon true. It only means that there are spiritual beings out there which are willing to create that kind of sensation in people in order to promote the religion of mormonism. A well-informed Christian would know these beings to be demons. Lots of religions have spiritual experiences. Indeed, some of these experiences might be explainable in mere psychological terms, but a great many of them, in fact, are explainable only in terms of the spirit world. The Bible teaches that this world is full of evil, deceptive spirits who operate under Satan’s command and seek to draw men into sin and destruction. To my mind, only such a scenario could adequately explain how so many otherwise intelligent people have been sucked into the religion of mormonism.

What follows are some of the strange doctrines of mormonism.

God was once a man – Brigham Young said, “If our Father and God should be disposed to wak through these aisles, we should not know Him from one of the congregation. You would see a man and that is all you would know about Him.” (Journal of Discourse, Vol II, pg 40). Mormons belief that through faithfulness to the mormon doctrine they too may one day become gods with a planet of their own.

God the Father has many wives – God the Father, according to the “Pearl of Great Price” in “Abraham 3:9,16”, is said to be living on a planet near the star Koleb with his wives having spiritual children.

Jesus was the spirit brother of Lucifer – according to this doctrine Jesus became the Savior because he came up with a better plan than Lucifer concerning how to get the people on earth to worship God (see The Kingdom of God, by Oscar McConkie Jr pg 46; Pearl of Great Price, Book of Moses, 4:1-3).

Black-skinned people are of inferior origin – mormonism teaches that the spirit beings that did not fight valiantly for God come to earth as blacks, while those who fought valiantly come to earth as whites. Until very recently blacks could not become priests in the mormon system of worship for reasons related to this and other demeaning doctrines.

President Brigham Young, for example, in the March 1863 Journal of Discourses 10:110, said: “Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.”

We are saved by grace, after we have done all we can – who is there that has done ‘all they can’ in following any given religious system? No one. This is a kind of double-speak. Mormonism is a system of religious works and merit from start to finish. It is all about earning merit and a state of worthiness by obedience to the mormon religious system.

Joseph Smith will judge who may or may not enter into heaven. See Brigham Young, Oct 9, 1859, Journal of Discourses 7:282

Jesus Christ practiced Polygamy during His ministry on earth

President Orson Hyde, president of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, General Conference, October 1854, Journal of Discourses 2:210 wrote: ‘I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Marthda, and others were his wives, and that he begat children.’

There are many other strange mormon doctrines and beliefs which I may get into later. I hope it is clear for those who may be considering the mormon religion seriously that there are many strange and highly doubtful teachings and practices which have perhaps even less credibility than the prophecies of their originator – Joseph Smith.

Problems with the Book of Mormon – an extensive article written by a former believer in the Book of Mormon, who “studied his way out”.

Out of Mormon Deception – a powerful testimony.

Berean Christian Ministries
– Mormon Studies

C.A.R.M. – Matthew Slick has compiled some more information on the mormon religion which is very helpful.

Sources:
(1) (see http://www.allabout mormons .com/ number_of_mormons.php – remove spaces to get the URL)

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  1. I totally agree with *David85*. But if youre on this page to insult someones religion, especially if you are christian, then you should take your pessimistic comments somewhere else where it does not insult ones faith or just keep it to yourself. It truly is an amazing religion and I don’t know what I would do without it so yeah. And we listen to the lord through Joseph Smith. It says in the bible that God works miracles through people, eg. Moses parting the red sea, and that if you ask you shall recieve so i wouldnt question this faith too much if I were you because it all makes perfect sense once you stop being criticle and just look at it.
    Thankyou 🙂

    • Timothy Luke says:

      Mormonism may be a “truly amazing religion.” No dispute there. But, this is a Christian site and Mormonism is not true to the whole body of the teachings of Jesus Christ. It gives the modern revelations to Joseph Smith preeminence to canonized scripture when they do not agree. Please do not be surprised that Christians would not consider Mormonism, Christian.

      An amazing religion, perhaps. Personally, here is what I do without Mormonism…. I serve and worship Jesus in spirit and in truth.

      We do not believe in the revelations of Joseph Smith. I do believe, personally, that he stole the religion and its rites from the Masons and that Masonry is inherently evil, being devoted to the worship of false gods. Bad root, bad fruit.

      This is a Christian forum. We are free to define who we are and what we believe and what we do not believe. Are you saying that Mormons do not insult the Christian community and speak down about them among themselves???

    • To add to what Timothy Luke has said, Christians are also called to speak the truth in love in the hope that people will come to a knowledge of the truth and escape the traps and schemes of the devil, who has taken people captive to do his will. 2 Timothy 2:24-26

      ‘And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

      Remember Jesus was not afraid to offend people, for example the pharisees of His time by speaking the truth to them. I don’t believe the intention of these articles is to intentionally offend or critisize, but to speak the truth and warnings to people.

  2. Without sounding like too much of a jerk…

    This is like the blind leading the blind. Tell me, any of you, which relgion is not made up? It just so happens that Mormon were made up more recent than most others? Sure, there is little if any evidence that Book of Mormon is true, but can anyone show me one iota of evidence that Jesus performed a single miricle, let alone was raised from the dead? In the end, Mormonism is no more right or wrong than any other religion out there. It all boils down to individual (or group) interpetations of the scriptures.

    Just leave the Mormons alone. They are good people. Lastly, if you do believe in the Bible, remember that you will judged the same way that you judge others. I am not judging the Mormons or the Christians. I think they are all wonderful people. Do you want Jesus judging you the way you judge the Mormons?

    • Timothy Luke says:

      God made up Christianity when He created mankind and sent His Son to die for our sins. Mankind made up all the other religions, and even have done quite a nice job of helping re-invent Christianity!

      My life is a miracle, for your information. Jesus speaks to His people audibly and distinctly in our hearts, but He is not a trick pony that doubters and scoffers can summons with their derision. He is the servant God who humbled Himself on the cross and died, though he was mocked and told, “IF you are the son of God, come off that cross!”

      Jesus knows who He is and His sheep know who He is. He does not see the need to prove himself to those who do not wish to believe. In fact, He demands we seek him out with diligence and then we will find Him. He is not a prostitute looking for johns. He is the author, giver and sustainer of life. He is my savior and my redeemer.

      I invite you to read of the real miracles he has done in my life by reading Our Story . I really think you will think it is a hoax because your skepticism will rewrite all the Lord has done for me – but then again, I need not prove to you what Christ has proven to me. It is your job to humble yourself and seek Him with YOUR whole heart, not mine.

      May the Lord grant you eyes to see the wondrous mysteries of His love and present mercies. “It is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment.” He is the Judge of the whole earth, and yes we shall be judged as we judge others, so let us judge righteous judgment, founded on the revealed word of God, and not the doctrines of devils taught by those who have erred.

      It is our job to help prepare you for that judgment. That you may stand justified through the blood of Jesus Christ before a holy and righteous God who alone is love. I agree that many Mormons are good people, that is why I wish to share the truth with them that salvation is not found in the corrupted pagan teachings taught as Christianity in their temples. God loves them. I love them. If you love them, you would help them come to know their Creator’s love for them as revealed in the authentic Word of God, the Bible – alone and uninterpreted or expanded, that they may stand and not fall in the day of eternal judgment.

      Peace to you,

    • You wrote: “Just leave the mormons alone, they are good people”. What did Jesus say when someone called him good? He said: Why do you call me good? No one is good but God the Father. The Bible also says there’s no one righteous; NO NOT ONE!

  3. i would like to say for one that this religion is the most blasphemous religion i have ever heard of. Do you not know that the bible speaks of destructive heresies that will come forth in the book of 1Tim chapter 4, doctrines taught by demons? The bible also states that you can neither add nor remove from the bible. The morman book is an addition. How dare you mormons state that jesus is the spirit brother of lucifer? Do you not know that jesus is one one with God, so are you then saying God is brothers with his enemy. The book of ezekiel 28 talks about how lucifer was made, he was a guardian cherub who used to stand before the presence of God. God made lucifer, God is his creator, he rebelled against God and took a third of the angels down with him so says the book of revelations. Dont be deceived, there is only one God and His word. No one can add or subtract from Him. Mormons read the word of God with their interllect but those who are born of God read with the understanding of the spirit. As far as the bible states mormons are not christians but sons and daughters of the devil a doctrine taught by demons, your father. I bid you to repent, God loves all of us but hates sin and will not forgive those who lead the lost astray. Please read the bible carefully, not as a book.

    • open the door says:

      You are good at Saying what you have been told to say since you first stepped foot in (or were carried in) that church. You sure know a lot about that which you have not studied, and your smug approach reveals your weakness. I am, however happy to see that you have developed some understanding of our Lord Jesus Christ, and it is clear that He has touched your heart. Unfortunately you have, I am sure, been taught some form of sanctification, whether you recognize it as such or not, as you have handily succeeded in losing all of your humility and charity in claiming to know how another person, or people, “read the word of God”. I do not care that you called them “demons”, just ask them, they have been called worse. As for your personal study, try looking at the site that this is on where it says that “the vast majority of those people are entering hell”. Pray to God through his Son Jesus Christ, my brother, and ask Him if He is sending the “vast majority” of His children to be with Lucifer. Then ask Him if He meant it 1332 pages earlier, (Deuteronomy 4:2), in the Bible than that of the book of The Revelation of St John the Divine when he said “Ye shall not add unto the word which I shall command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it”; and now ask yourself: “where in the scriptures have I read that God will send the vast majority of His children to hell?” Then go and ask your pastor what happens to someone who dies before they ever get the chance to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ. Ask him or her about the five points of Calvinism, and to which of these points their ministry ascribes, and then study them for yourself, and compare the two. In fact, go from there and compare your belief with that of the 3800 different denominations of Christianity. As far as your commentary on the Book of Mormon, please take note of those who have handed your Bible down to you. A closer look at the Bible will show you that the book itself tells you that you are missing at least 26 books that it mentions by name (remember the “diminish ought from it”, and “if any man shall take away from the words”). I will help you with the names of some of these books: Nathan, Jasher, Shemaiah, Acts of Abijah, and Jehu. And now go and learn what the scriptures truly say by becoming an Arabist, student of Hebrew, Latin , and most especially Greek. Study the earliest manuscripts you can find, do not make any mistakes(because you are sanctified, chosen, and saved), then go and tell someone to repent. Do not forget that I love you, and that your Heavenly Father loves you. He is the Father of His “offspring”, He does not select and “respect” any person: we choose him for He NEVER takes from you your free will to choose. You can give your agency away, but He, the Father of ALL creation, WILL NOT TAKE IT FROM YOU. P.S. Please ask your pastor one more thing for me. When did Lucifer, “son of the morning” (Isa. 14:12) lead one third of the angels(sic) away from God? Specifically, was this before or after Adam and Eve? Then ask him or her about their belief concerning a pre-existent state of the spirits of man and woman, not to mention: what exactly are angels? Are they related to us? Are they human? Or are they something else? Your Hebrew and Greek will help you and your pastor with this. Peace my brother (we are all brothers). Interesting how God calls Lucifer “son”. I personally have two sons… they are brothers.

      • Timothy Luke says:

        God’s heart is a heart that yearns and longs for fellowship lost. Lucifer is his son, but he is the prodigal that has not and will not return. He is the prodigal feasting on pigs slop who is conceited irretrievably. The Father has called him son, but Lucifer is now Satan. Lucifer is a son, in the created sense that he came from the Father as a created being, created by Jesus Christ, by whom all things invisible, including principalities and powers (Lucifer being one of those principalities) are created.

        Lucifer, now Satan, is bound for eternity in hell. Those on earth who have chosen to go with the god of this world, will perish in the Lake prepared for the devil and his angels.

        “Wide is the way that leads to destruction and MANY there be that find it. Straight and narrow is the way that leads to eternal life and few there be that find it.” God is a spirit, and He desires those who worship Him to worship in spirit and in truth. The vast majority are destined to hell. That is much better than allowing them to live hell’s death style and all its perversions in eternity, thereby making it hell for all. There will be an end to these things. There has to be. It is up to us to find our way through the strait and narrow teachings of Jesus Christ, to the right side of the issue before it is too late. To teach otherwise is in direct violation of scripture and invites divine judgment. Read this for yourself….

        Eze 13:3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
        Eze 13:4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.
        Eze 13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.
        Eze 13:6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.
        Eze 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
        Eze 13:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.
        Eze 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
        Eze 13:10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:
        Eze 13:11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.
        Eze 13:12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?
        Eze 13:13 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it.
        Eze 13:14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
        Eze 13:15 Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it;
        Eze 13:16 To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD.
        Eze 13:17 Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,
        Eze 13:18 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?
        Eze 13:19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?
        Eze 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
        Eze 13:21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
        Eze 13:22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
        Eze 13:23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

        We cannot proclaim life to fallen man, without first calling him to repentance. To do so brings a curse.

        Now I see you naming books that “the Bible names, ” however the Bible names them not as books. It appears someone has written books and given biblical names to them rather. These are just a couple points I see that reveal the error of your thinking.

      • lookinforacity says:

        open the door

        I think it is imperative, when someone is attempting to appear astute.Someone that may be able to read numerous languages, that they should be able to read and understand the ENGLISH language.
        This type of person should at least become familiarized with the statement they intend to quote, in order that they quote it accurately.

        you say
        “(remember the “diminish ought from it”, and “if any man shall take away from the words”).”

        Following is the entire passage as it appears in the Bible, not the abridged version you have quoted.

        I have taken the liberty to capitalize your misquoted section in order for you to understand more easily.

        Rev 22:19
        AND IF ANY MAN SHALL TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THIS PROPHESY,
        God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

        Those words spoken by God, only pertain to the BOOK OF THE PROPHESY, ie, the book of The Revelation of John, not to the entire Bible.
        The Bible was not compiled as we know it today, at the time of the writing of Revelation.
        A book by the way you seem to not believe is true in the first place, otherwise you would not be trying to ADD BOOKS TO IT!
        If you still want to use your understanding of your misquote, then go right ahead and bring all of the plagues upon yourself.

        Again capitals are mine.

        Rev.22:18
        18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the PROPHESY OF THIS BOOK, IF ANY MAN SHALL ADD UNTO THESE THINGS,
        God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

        So you see, at this point you have a decision to make.
        1) Accept my explanation of the rendering of the verses in John, and thereby stop trying to add books to the already completed, and Canonized Bible.
        2) Reject my explanation of the rendering, thereby bringing upon yourself all of the plagues written.

        Mormonism is a false religion.

        Gal 1:8 BUT THOUGH WE OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN,
        (“PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL”) unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

        Now that is a heavy thought, being (Accursed, & Plagued) at the same time.

        JIM

  4. Hello. I have recently been thinking about becoming a Mormon, and I want to know what you meant what you meant when you said something about “after they baptize you then they…” What did you mean by that? And I forgot what was after that, but please answer me, I really want to know by Sunday.

  5. im really sad … i just dont understand the dedication to destroy somones dreams of going to the temple and talking so harmful about it … my hearth is crushed ,, ive never been to the temple and want to go so bad i havent gone because im working on myself .. im just so sad how many sights i found like this why are you doing this ,, i really dont understand .. i cant stop crying and feel sad for all i have read and seen ..

    • The Way of Jesus Christ is about renouncing yourself and letting Jesus live in you, not about improving yourself so you can work your way up to becoming a god.

      This is why Mormonism is false. If you feel sad now, its nothing compared to what people feel when they face God after rejecting Christ’s righteousness after a lifetime of trying to establish their own.

      Its not loving to let everyone stay in their delusion on their way to destruction. It may be sentimental and stupid, but its not loving.

    • JustAGuy says:

      If your heart is set on going to the temple, no one here is stopping you. The intent of this site is to establish the work of Jesus Christ. I do not write to destroy anything, but to establish that which I believe in. If you do not believe in Christianity, then you should prove it or disprove it once and for all and get on with your life according to your conviction.

      I could post on a Muslim, Hindu, or Bhuddist board that they are killing my dream, but why bother? They may say as they wish, it is their board….

      Blessings and Peace,
      Timothy

    • Tina blair says:

      I was raised LDS and have chosen to leave the religion, for myself . I know you have dreams of getting to go to the temple and all the other things that come with that like being sealed and baptism for the dead. I am sorry you feel personally attack I am sure non of these people mean to attack you, I have studied the LDS religion for a long time now, for me personally to understand and know what is right and how i feel about it. I know GOD loves you and wants you to love him back do not get defensive in a matter that is not understood, is that Christ like? Read study understand make well with your knowledge find you and your love for GOD.
      Yes many people say things that are not true and many are very true you need to find them do not rely on someone to tell you. that is how you get lies..
      Good Luck in your search for GOD you will be in my prayers.

      From a Ex-Mormon that cares to share the truth.

  6. Great Place for Mormon resources

    The Utah Light ministry, The Ministry of former deep-family-generation mormons The Late Jerald and Sandra Tanner
    There is free book to download

    http://www.utlm.org/

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    Tit 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live sober

  7. [email protected] says:

    i have a question. i read above, but don’t know if it’s true…that black people are inferior. It said that those who didn’t fight for Christ come as blacks. I don’t want to waste my time taking offense to something false, but I can’t deny that my feelings are hurt. Do members of the LDS church not accept black people then? Do they treat them differently? I have a really close friend who’s family is Mormon, and now I’m a bit scared that they won’t like me when I meet them. I will honestly say that if that statement is true…IT IS WRONG. In every way known, it is wrong. Jesus is my EVERYTHING! My whole world, my whole life. I’m only here because of his grace and mercy. He loves me too. With everything in me, I hope that statement is not true. :’C

    • They did not allow blacks to hold the presthood for many years, then to be with the law just recently allowed them. Many LDS do not approve. Read the JD, you’ll see.

    • Timothy Luke says:

      Jesus Christ made of one blood, all nations and peoples. He purchased us with His blood. There is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female in His eyes. Of course he loves you too, and He always will. We need to forgive those who sow hatred and bless them who curse us. I am sorry you have been discriminated against in the name of Jesus. It is plain wrong.

  8. Mike Kraemer says:

    I look back on my days as a Mormon and remember the torture I received from my so call friends, my Priest Quorum Adviser and the Sexual Molestation that I received from my Mormon Scout Master. Needless to say my experience with the Mormon Church was less than favorable.

    My favorite was when I asked my Bishop why black men couldn’t hold the Priesthood, he told me it was because Kane killed Able and God punished Kane by putting the mark of the black man upon him and therefore all of his descendants were unworthy.

    Now for Prop 8…I love it when a Church that was soooo persecuted itself for it’s Civil Rights now works to deny others of theirs! Well I guess that is what the Mormons call treat others as you have been treated rather than treat others as you would like to be treated.

  9. Ok, just my two cents worth here. I’m also a lapsed mormon, (not as a result of anything done by the church, mostly due to family issues)

    One thing you don’t seem to take into account when trying to compare the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price to the Bible is simply your assumption that the Bible is correct, as it stands. Latter-day saints believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly.

    After years of Seminary, and countless hours of studying various religions and points of view, I (along with many others) have come to realize that the modern “Bible” is not, in fact, the same bible text that was written by the Apostles.

    Listed below are only SOME of the revisions to the bible that evangelicals claim to be the ‘word of god’. Cracks me up that they don’t know or want to understand that the bible has been changed, revised and modified for centuries.

    Misprints in the Bible have always been of particular concern. An edition in 1631, nicknamed the “Wicked Bible,” omitted the word not from Exodus 20:14, changing the prohibition against adultery into the command: “Thou shalt commit adultery.” A contemporary historian recorded that

    His Majesties Printers, at or about this time, had committed a scandalous mistake in our English Bibles, by leaving out the word Not in the Seventh Commandment. His Majesty being made acquainted with it by the Bishop of London, Order was given for calling the Printers into the High-Commission, where upon Evidence of the Fact, the whole Impression was called in, and the Printers deeply fined, as they justly merited. With some part of this Fine Laud [Archbishop William Laud] caused a fair Greek Character to be provided, for publishing such Manuscripts as Time and Industry should make ready for the Public view.

    Other notable changes:

    · Latin Vulgate (St. Jerome) c.400: the Bible of the Western Church through the middle ages; still the official Bible of the Roman Catholic Church.

    · Wycliffe (& Purvey) c.1385: first translation of whole (or most of) Bible from Vulgate into vernacular, medieval English — [n.b. complete Wycliffe Bible not published until 1850].

    · Martin Luther c.1522: translation of the Greek N.T. and Hebrew O.T. into vernacular German; still the standard Bible of German Protestants [Lutheran].

    · Tyndale c.1525: translation of Greek N.T. [consulting Vulgate and Luther’s German translation] and parts of Hebrew O.T. — fixed the English translation style.

    · Coverdale c.1535: little change from Tyndale’s, but with new translations for previously undone portions of O.T. from Vulgate and Luther’s [not orig. Hebrew]; Coverdale’s PSALMS still used by Anglicans and Episcopalians in Book of Common Prayer.

    · Matthew c.1537: Essentially Tyndale’s but a publication authorized by the king (Henry VIII); the first authorized or licensed English Bible – [though license was extended to Coverdale’s later editions].

    · Great Bible (Cranmer) c.1540: revision of Matthew’s Bible produced in a large size; undertaken at Cromwell’s suggestion and claimed the “Bible appointed to the use of the churches”.

    · Geneva c.1560: revision/collation of Tyndale’s and the Great Bible; first English translation to use the division into verses; considered most scholarly of early English versions; commonly used for many years – especially among Puritans – and commonly brought to America.

    · Bishops’ c.1568: a rebuttal by the bishops to the Geneva Bible (which they didn’t like); borrowed heavily from Great Bible and, actually, also from Geneva Bible – including use of verses; uneven quality but formed basis for KJV.

    · Rheims/Douay c.1582/1610: the official [English] Roman Catholic Bible; translation from Vulgate [n.b. Bishop Challoner revised in mid 1700’s, sometimes called “Challoner-Rheims Version”].

    · King James (or Authorized ) Version (KJV or AV) 1611: the standard authorized Bible of most Protestant churches for 2+ centuries; used the original Hebrew and Greek to inform comparison/revision of earlier English versions – [leaned heavily on Bishop’s Bible; much of the language actually goes back to Tyndale’s].

    So, when you start comparing text of scripture, try figuring out if it’s apples to apples or apples to grapefruit.

    • Your list of “notable changes” is simply a list of translations…NOT CHANGES TO THE WORD OF GOD. (Unless we all can read ancient Hebrew and Greek, we need translations into languages we do understand.)

      It’s been recorded, as you suggest, that certain people didn’t like certain translations. True, but they didn’t like the translation baecause of readibility, not that the Word of God may have been changed (which it never has been).

      You mention mistakes being made. Most of them have been printers’ mistakes. Simple errors in producing and publishing the Bible…not overt attempts to change the meaning of the Bible. Such mistakes may be expected in any book published by mankind.

      So, I’m still awaiting proof of your argument “that the modern Bible is not, in fact, the same bible text that was written by the Apostles.”

  10. MaggielSelah says:

    I’m an ex-Mormon who was strongly into apologetics. I’ve noticed a few items in your article that are inaccurate. When sharing the gospel with LDS or trying to prevent someone to convert to the LDS church, your information must be entirely accurate or else the walls of defense will come up and the “messenger” will be labeled a liar (by either intent or accident).

    Below are my list of corrections with LDS documentation:

    • 1) The LDS church releases it’s numbers during their semi-annual General Conferences – held in April and October each year. Last head count of membership was 13 million worldwide. The membership grows more rapidly outside the US than inside it. These numbers do not reflect how many members are active, inactive, or having defected (become “apostates”) from the LDS church but rather how many names (baptized members – meaning these can include children as young as 8 yrs old) are on their rolls. Regardless of how many people are not active or are now apostates, I don’t believe the number would be as low as 4 million.
    • 2) You Said: “In addition to using the Bible (which they believe is totally inadequate by itself to tell us what we need to know), mormons believe that the “revelations” received by Joseph Smith which came to be written down as the “Book of Mormon” are Scripture. They also base their religious system on two other books: “Doctrines and Covenants” and “The Pearl of Great Price” as well as the pronouncements of their “living prophets”, which they teach are Scripture and binding on all true believers.”

      The 8th Article of Faith states, “We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.” As far as printed documentation goes, this statement is no different than the 1979 Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy. However, in pratice one will notice that LDS depend more upon the other three standard works (BoM, D&C, and PoGP) than the Bible itself. Next, you have the Book of Mormon confused with Doctrine and Covenants. Joseph Smith’s claim is that the Book of Mormon is the recordings of ancient people here in the Americas that were visited by the Savior. He does not claim to have written any part of it, but have instead translated different parts of it through the Holy Ghost. What is commonly not taught in the LDS church (and is naively defended by many members) is that Joseph Smith read the translation out of a hat (South Park had it right believe it or not). “He also stated that the Prophet translated a portion of the Book of Mormon with a seerstone in his possession. The stone was placed in a hat that was used for that purpose, and with the aid of this seerstone the Prophet would read sentence by sentence as Martin wrote, and if he made any mistake the sentence would remain before the Prophet until corrected, when another sentence would appear. ” (-Testimonies of Book of Mormon Witnesses,, p.389-390).

      Now what Joseph Smith did claim and LDS do believe is that the Doctrine and Covenants (D&C) were revelations received to Joseph Smith that he wrote down (originally known as the Book of Commandments) with the last few chapters being the exceptions. One example include the ending of polygny (aka polgamy)in one of the two offical declarations included in D&C. Your statement that LDS base their doctrine off the standard works (a quad – Holy Bible, BoM, D&C, and PoGP) and the words of living prophets is accurate. I simply want to expand on this for a moment. When an investigator, new convert, or returning member attends Sunday School (middle block meeting) they are encouraged to attend what is called, Gospel Principals. They are taught the following (in regards to scripture)

      “In addition to these four books of scripture, the inspired words of our living prophets become scripture to us. Their words come to us through conferences, Church publications, and instructions to local priesthood leaders. “We believe all that God has revealed, all that he does now reveal, and we believe that he will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God” (Articles of Faith 1:9).” Gospel Principals, Unit Three, Chapter 10, p 52

    • 3) “Good Mormons are required to do 2 years missionary work”. This is also not entirally accurate (and we are shooting for accuracy I assume). Only LDS who are either BIC or convert before they are married will have a chance to serve an honorable two year mission, and even then – only young men. Young men may serve a mission at the age of 19 (or after) for two years , young women at the age of 21 and only for 18 months. If they are married, they must wait until their children are grown and they are able to serve as Sr. Missionaries and then for only 18 months.
    • 4) I’d be very interested in where the teaching of eternal progression contradicts the Book of Mormon. The strongest arguement for contradiction comes from polgny in the book of Jacob 2:24-28. But I’ve not seen one for eternal progression.
    • 5) For apologetic reasons, you might want to expand more on the Lorenzo Snow’s comment:

      “I could not understand this, but years after in Nauvoo while talking upon a principle of the gospel, the Spirit of God rested powerfully upon me and showed me more clearly than I can now see your faces a certain principle and its glory, and it came to me summarized in this brief sentence: “As man is now, God once was; as God is now man may be.” The Spirit of God was on me in a marvelous manner all that day, and I stored that great truth away in my mind. I felt that I had learnt something that I ought not to communicate to others. (15 June 1901, DN, p. 1.) ” (Lorenzo Snow, The Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, edited by Clyde J. Williams, p.2)

      For this, I refer back to my earlier comments about Gospel Principals on scripture. Notice Lorenzo Snow’s comments, “The Spirit of God was on me in a marvelous manner all that day, and I stored that great truth away in my mind.” He claims he was moved upon by the Holy Ghost and therefor, this statement is indeed scripture regardless of how FAIR apologetics skew it. Similar comments were also made by both Joseph Smith, Jr and Brigham Young in teaching about the nature of God and how important it was to acknowledge and know the “TRUE” nature of God.

    • 6) I know Ed Decker’s story about the Mormon god having eternal sex and eternally pregnant wives eternally giving birth to spirit children is very popular among critic circles, but can you provide some comment, teaching, or doctrine that backs this up? If someone talks to a LDS and simply says these things I’ve mentioned then that Latter Day Saint will zone them out and perceive them as ignorant in what they (LDS) believe.
    • 7) Inside the LDS church – Jesus being practicing polgny is not far fetched. In one LDS apologetic book (meaning it defended the LDS church) I read (and loved)made a great case for Jesus having three wives, showed where in the Bible they were named, and how this was simply the custom of the day.
    • 8) Baptism for the dead does not simply involve a baptism and the spirits go into a greater paradise. According to LDS teachings, the spirit on the other side must receive the baptism. They then must receive their endowment, they then must receive a sealing (if applicable). They must receive all these things on the “other side” or else it doesn’t matter. The proxy is so that the “work” gets down for these spirits in either Spirit Paradise or Spirit prison.
    • 9) If you walk up to a Mormon and ask about their magic underwear, they will most likely shut down. They are called garments (more accurate the Garment of the Priesthood) and they are symbolic of the “amour of God” (Eph 6:11,13) and the protection is of faith. They are to be worn at all times except during intercourse, swimming, or showering/bathing.
    • 10) Joseph did not say that the Lord would come in 1891. Rather, in D&C 130:15 he claims the revelation that, “Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.” (this is supposed to be the Lord speaking to Joseph). This accusation of a false prophesy is EASILY ignored by almost ANY Latter Day Saint. Read the wording carefully, “IF thou livest” – an apolgetic could easily answer that the Lord did not say that Joseph WOULD live to be 85. The year 1891 comes from the fact that Joseph would have been 85 in 1891 so these two are tied together. The Lord simply said, “IF” he lived he would see the face of man. Since Joseph was murdered before this (as you pointed out, June 27, 1844)this prophesy never technically failed.
    • 11) The reason the LDS church does not teach investigators or new converts the deeper doctrines is because of the “meat and milk” (1 Cor 3:2, Heb 5:12). The thing is, in LDS doctrine – this has a different meaning than the Biblical meaning. If one reads the context of these verses, they would learn that meat is obediance to God – spiritual maturity does not come from head knowledge but rather obediance to Him. It’s not like LDS don’t read the Bible, they simply understand the same verses differently and at times have what appears to be strong support for it as well.
    • 12) Burning of the bosom and confirmations – Burning of the bosom is Biblical. Look to Luke 24:13-32. Jesus meets two men on the side of the road, discusses the scriptures and this “Jesus” fellow with them (unknown to them, He is the Risen Christ)and once He reveals Himself to them, He disappears. After He has left and they realize He is their Messiah they say (v 32), “And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?”. What many don’t realize is building doctrine on ONE verse is quite dangerous. I don’t believe that God DOES NOT use burning in the heart to express His glory – but I know it’s not the only way. Problem is, the LDS church teaches the same thing. Joseph Smith History 1:74 (found within the PoGP) discusses the enlightening of one’s mind as the Spirit talking with you.
    • 13)Abr 3:9-13
      9 And thus there shall be the reckoning of the time of one planet above another, until thou come nigh unto Kolob, which Kolob is after the reckoning of the Lord’s time; which Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of God, to govern all those planets which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.
      10 And it is given unto thee to know the set time of all the stars that are set to give light, until thou come near unto the throne of God.
      11 Thus I, Abraham, talked with the Lord, face to face, as one man talketh with another; and he told me of the works which his hands had made;
      12 And he said unto me: My son, my son (and his hand was stretched out), behold I will show you all these. And he put his hand upon mine eyes, and I saw those things which his hands had made, which were many; and they multiplied before mine eyes, and I could not see the end thereof.
      13 And he said unto me: This is Shinehah, which is the sun. And he said unto me: Kokob, which is star. And he said unto me: Olea, which is the moon. And he said unto me: Kokaubeam, which signifies stars, or all the great lights, which were in the firmament of heaven.

      I don’t see multiple wives mentioned.

      14)African Americans were able to hold the priesthood during Joseph Smith’s day – however, Brigham Young had a “revelation” that prohibited them from holding the priesthood. The seed of Abel would hold the priesthood before the seed of “Cain”. In 1979, a new “revelation” was received and African Americans were able to – from that time forward – hold the priesthood.

      “Kindly see chapters 15 and 16, in The Way to Perfection, for further light in relation to the reason why the Negro cannot receive the priesthood. In brief, it is as follows: Because of transgression in the first estate which deprives him in this second estate. Since Cain slew his brother Abel in order to obtain all the rights of priesthood to descend through his lineage, the Lord decreed that the children of Cain should not have the privilege of bearing the priesthood until Abel had posterity who could have the priesthood and that will have to be in the far distant future. When this is accomplished on some other world, then the restrictions will be removed from the children of Cain who have been true in this “second” estate.” – Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, 5 vols., 2:, p.188

    Thank you for allowing me to add these corrections in the form of a comment so that people may be better and more accuratly educated about LDS beliefs.

    -Maggie (former Mormon)-
    Believing Christ

    • It will be for me a matter of further research to confirm the accuracy of your remarks. It may be that my sources were slightly off in places. I have made some corrections in line with what you have stated and what I have found on some mormon sites. I wonder if others of a mormon background would like to add their comments?

      As for the burning in the bosom being Scriptural: it is very common for people to have emotions and sensations of various kinds in the context of their religious experiences. As a Christian I have such experiences almost daily, but that in itself does not authenticate what I believe. Hindus feel their gods, and muslim sufis also have mystical experiences.

      Nowhere in the Bible do we see people being told by God or his prophets – “you will know the truth of what is said here by a special feeling you will have if you pray for it”. In this sense, the whole idea is unbiblical. The men on the Emmaus road were not told by Jesus to check out whether their hearts burned within them.

      • David85 says:

        I am currently a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and I just have a few comments to make, as long as you’re willing to be open-minded. First off, I noticed many errors while reading the comments you made on “mormon” beliefs, and I appreciate the corrections made in a later post, which seemed to be accurate. I’m not writing to start a debate, as I’ve found that it’s almost always a waste of time to debate religious views, as neither side is willing to bend. That being said, I consider myself a true follower of Christ and believe in his saving grace with all my heart. I regularly read the Bible as well as the Book of Mormon and the other books mentioned, and the writings found in those books have uplifted and inspired me, truly guiding me on my path to God. Though you obviously take a negative stance with regard to Joseph Smith, I believe he was a true prophet, though he IS NOT my savior nor ever will be. And I must respectfully disagree with your views about feelings. I feel that one of the most important ways that God communicates with his children is through their feelings (the Holy Spirit). In John 14 Jesus spoke of the comforter which would be sent to His apostles to guide them. Scriptures and prophets are other forms of heavenly guidance. Many argue that the Bible is THE only guidance ever needed and THE final authority with regard to God’s will for men. However, what good is the Bible when its words can be interpreted thousands of ways? This is clearly evident by the ridiculous number of Christian denominations in the world today, most of which holding radically different opinions. Though I’m by no means a spiritual giant or biblical expert, I’ve seen the good of the LDS church and felt the truth of its teachings, and I’ve seen the lasting joy and happiness its brought to myself, my family, and many others whom I love and admire.

        • Warhorse for Christ says:

          I would like to comment on the whole subject of mormonism.If you compare the Bible to any writing of joseph smith you will see that he pretty much copied some things straight out of the Bible and with others he made up.It seems to me that if there were any civilizations as big as the ones that are written about in the book of mormon we should be able to find some remnant of that civilization ,artifacts or something.Where are the so called golden plates he translated from. We’re not able to compare what he translated to anything to see whether or not what he wrote is really what was on the alleged plates. The Bible can be verified through study of the many manuscripts that still exist to this day.Also by cities that still exist today.By the many proofs still existing today. Where are the cities of the book of mormon located. Why can’t we find any remnants of the nephite and lamanite civilizations as portrayed in the book of mormon? I know that there mormon scholars who claim that they have found evidence. But they are not being honest about their findings.Careful study of the facts conclude that mormonism is a made up faith and it’s founder is a fraud. I know that it’s a hard thing to grip for mormon beleivers because many of them are born into the mormon religion and have family history in this religion for generations.To comment on the so called (ridiculous amont of denominations) mormonism has about 90 different sects that all claim to be true.Enough said there.Jesus the Lord of heaven and earth calls to you and says I am the way the truth and the life.Jesus calls to you today and says be healed from this lie and follow me. Quit following joseph smith and listen to the Lord . The Bible says that if an angel or anyone comes to you and preaches another gospel or you receive another spirit ,that person shall be accursed, Galatians 1. So by that scripture alone all by itself it destroys mormonism .So be a berean an search the true word of God The Holy Bible for the truth that sets you free.Thanks for this forum, Jeff.

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