Heaven is a state of Mind.

Christianity varies a lot and many I think are misinformed about what it means to live “as a Christian.” I don’t think the Bible is read as it should be, and therefore many readers are either turned off, or lose interest, or take it literally.

I see the Bible as a text book to be referred to, to search and to be fed with, regards Understanding.

One small example of my thinking follows and if anyone is interested, they can respond or email me for further communication.

Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and all these things shall be added to you.

These are the words of Jesus. I see the Kingdom of Heaven as a spiritualised consciousness, what is sometimes called “the Christ consciousness.” St Paul describes this as the Mind of Christ. He says: put on that mind that was in Christ Jesus.

So Heaven is out state of mind, it is not in the next world to be earned by good deeds in this life.

When we ‘put on the mind of Christ” we have a spiritualised perspective on life and we start to live a happier life as a consequence of being in harmony with Spiritual understanding and a growing peace of mind.

Any comments.

Patrick
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  1. Sunrise says:

    You seem to be a deep thinker. I would be interested in knowing how you came to Christ and what theological training you have had.

  2. michael says:

    Hi Patrick, Nice to see you on the site. I would like to ask you some questions based on what you have written, and share with you my understanding. Hopefully this will be helpful. You write: Christianity varies a lot and many I think are misinformed about what it means to live "as a Christian."

    It is true that many people interpret Christianity differently, and put differing emphases on different things. So obviously there are going to be a lot of people who are misinformed about what it means to live as a Christian, because when people disagree, someone is going to be misinformed or incorrect for sure. The question is: who is misinformed and ON WHAT BASIS can we decide who is misinformed.

     

    You write: "I don't think the Bible is read as it should be, and therefore many readers are either turned off, or lose interest, or take it literally. I see the Bible as a text book to be referred to, to search and to be fed with, regards Understanding."

    What are the principles which guide you in knowing HOW the Bible should be read? What guides you in deciding for example, if the Bible means what it seems to say, plainly enough, or if the plain meaning is the incorrect meaning? It is a practice of secret societies and occultists to make documents and symbols which have one meaning to the initiated, and another (incorrect) meaning to the common herd of people. Do you think that God operates in much the same way as the secret societies or the practitioners of magic arts? If that is the case, then what are the apostle Paul's writings doing in the Bible? For Paul writes in 2 Cor 4:2:

    But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

     

    Paul is saying we are not being crafty, and we are not tricking people in the way we teach.. We are making the truth obvious and appealing to people's conscience concerning it.

    So if you accept Paul as a true messenger of God, you'd have to admit that God's standard way of communicating is to be straightforward about it. In cases where it is clearly NOT straightforward – for example the Book of Revelation – what is clear enough is that God is going to Judge the world in righteousness. It is also clear that there IS a place called Heaven where God dwells. 

     

    You write:

    "One small example of my thinking follows and if anyone is interested, they can respond or email me for further communication. Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and all these things shall be added to you. These are the words of Jesus. I see the Kingdom of Heaven as a spiritualised consciousness, what is sometimes called "the Christ consciousness."

     

    You may see the Kingdom of Heaven as a spiritualised consciousness. But ON WHAT BASIS have you decided that this is the way you should see it? I think you need to have a really good reason to believe that way, its not good enough to just make it up or imagine that it is so.

    It says in the Old Testament: "Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool". It seems that God is talking about heaven as a PLACE, and NOT as a mere state of mind. We don't understand spiritual dimensions terribly well, but I believe they are GREATER than the 3D world we understand, not LESS. That is to say, the spiritual world is to our dimensionality something akin to what our world is to a flat land or 2D world – such as the surface of a computer screen. As a 3D person I can touch the 2D world or not touch it, but if I don't touch it, it doesn't make me less real, even if the entities in the 2D world cannot sense my presence.

    Its another topic, but Jesus used the words Kingdom of Heaven and Kingdom of God interchangeably.

    Wouldn't it be fair to say that the Kingdom of God is the domain in which God is King? So if God is king in your mind and spirit, certainly, that will impact on the way you feel and the way you think. So far so good. But Jesus promised that He would come back physically just as He left physically – see Acts 1:11ff – so this means that the Kingdom 

     

     

    St Paul describes this as the Mind of Christ.

    Where does Paul say that the Kingdom of Heaven is the same thing as the Mind of Christ? He doesn't say this. You are saying this. What Paul says is that we have the capacity to think as Christ did, or does.

     

    He says: put on that mind that was in Christ Jesus. So Heaven is out state of mind, it is not in the next world to be earned by good deeds in this life.

    This doesn't follow, because Paul nowhere says that the Mind of Christ is the Kingdom of Heaven. You said this, but what gives you or anybody else the authority to say this?

     

    When we 'put on the mind of Christ" we have a spiritualised perspective on life and we start to live a happier life as a consequence of being in harmony with Spiritual understanding and a growing peace of mind. Any comments. Patrick

    I agree that putting on the mind of Christ will result in a happier life and greater peace. But I don't believe this is the same as heaven.

    Paul talks about visiting heaven in 2 Cor 12. He says he doesn't know if it was in the body or out of the body. If Paul knew that heaven was just a state of mind, he would know for sure that it wasn't "in the body".

    The Book of Revelation talks about heaven as a place, where God's throne is, where angels are, and where some departed saints are. It is NOT our final destination but is a temporary location for the righteous until the New Heavens and New Earth are set up at the end of the age.

     

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