"His divine power HAS GIVEN to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who
called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through
these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."
(2 Peter 1:3,4).
What shall we make of these Scriptural declarations? Sometimes we are like children with a check for a million dollars who haven't yet learned how to go to the bank and cash it. Ignorance of God's promises, and ignorance concerning the principles of faith which must be applied to receive them, have cost us dearly. This ignorance exists because of a deficient personal knowledge of Jesus Christ in our lives. If we drew near to Him and sought to please Him through a life of active faith, the results would be amazing. It would change the way we talk, the way we think, the way we act, and the way God would move in and through our lives. God wants us to talk, think and act like He means what He says!
Too many Christians struggle along, desperately begging God for things He has already promised, or already declared that He has given to us. Emotionally tormenting oneself does not impress God or move Him to respond. God responds to faith. Without faith it is impossible to please Him (Hebrews 11:6).
Verbal thanksgiving is a major key to releasing faith. We thank God for his promises, we praise God for His promises and His declarations to us, before we see the manifestation of the answer we need. We talk as if it is already done. This pleases God, who wants us to "walk by faith, not by sight" (2 Corinthians 5:7).
The Promises are For Us
"For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us."
(2 Corinthians 1:20)
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ".
(Ephesians 1:3)
If we are in Christ, then all the promises in the Bible can be found, claimed and received by us. Any Bible teacher who declares "this biblical promise is no longer for today" is a deceiver. Such a teacher places his own theology above the plain declarations of Scripture.
Satan used to whisper to me that the promises were for another time, another person, that they were not worth having, and later, that I would not receive. All these kind of lies can be overcome by immersing ourselves in the Word of God - by pondering it, speaking it, and hearing people of faith preach it. Like anything worthwhile though, it takes some effort and diligence to renew our minds according to the Word of God. Satan is out to promote unbelief. Unbelief is sin, and we do well to make war on the unbelief in our own hearts, so that the new man in Christ can start to live and move through us.
This most important promise, apart from the promise of justification and the new birth to those who believe, is the promise of the Spirit. It helps a great deal to receive the Spirit as the disciples did on the day of Pentecost, and on other occasions throughout the book of Acts. We need the power of the Spirit. It is the Spirit of God who then leads us through the Word and teaches us how to pray so that God is glorified through the fact that His promises come to pass in OUR lives.
The prayers belong are based on Scriptural promises. By thanking God for making them a reality in our lives, we please God who told us "in everything give thanks" (1 Thessalonians 5:18) and to offer thanks when we pray (Philippians 4:6,7).
We who have entered into a covenant with God through the blood of Jesus Christ are partakers in the promises of God, found in His Word, the Bible. We have given our life to God and promised to obey His Word. He in turn not only gives us the power to obey His commandments, but also is ready to pour His blessings upon us because we are now His children. Everything His Word promises is for us to receive. We must appropriate these blessings by faith.
Speaking the Word of God with a first person application is one way of expressing the kind of faith which pleases God. By confessing our obedience to a commandment of God we are boldly declaring our allegiance to God. We are trusting God for the power to walk in obedience to what He told us to do. It is important to confess like this because our verbal commitments steer the direction of our life. It is also important because many of God's promises to us are conditional upon the kind of faith which leads to obedience.
By confessing a promise in the first person we are boldly stating that we are the ones that it applies to. We definitely express faith that we are the ones who are going to receive the blessing.
Praying the Word for the church is one way of expressing the kind of faith which pleases God. We can be sure we are praying God's will when we pray His word, and we have confidence that He does what we ask. (1 John 5:14,15)
Materials compiled by Michael Fackerell
Bible Promises of Ministry Success
If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be my disciples. (John 15:7,8)
This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate in it day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success. (Joshua 1:8)
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Scriptures for women, parenting and children
Dear friends in Christ,
I have decided to make a list of different Scriptures that speak about how a woman should be and what she is supposed to do in life, so that I can start to pray often that these things become part of my life, and thus to become the woman that God wants me to be.
A compilation of New Testament prayers to pray for yourself or others
Dear friends in Christ,
I had it on my heart to compile a list of New Testament prayers because I felt that it would be very useful to us as believers to pray for the things that apostle Paul - and obviously God - thought it was important to pray for. This way we are praying according to the will of God and according to the mind of Christ.
Please Pray for Me and Save me
Last 15 days I was suffering from body aches, back pain, chills and tingligs without any fever. I had sleepless nights and hardly ate any food. I was under life threatening depression as the symptoms were unknown to the doctors. Almost all the days cried for my life and my family.I have started going to Church and reading the Bible everyday. I asked Jesus to forgive my sins and accept me into His Kingdom. I ran away from him and committed worst sins in my life without my family's knowledge. I betrayed them. Jesus Christ Please forgive me and accept me into your kingdom. I wanted to get baptized soon and service him in the name of Jesus and help poor people with what I have earned from God.
Please pray for my wife, other family members and friends. Please pray for me to heal from this disease and sleep well and stay healthy.
Thanks, God bless everyone.
Reply to Prabhakar prayer request
Prabhakar
First let me say you are Saved & Forgiven. Don't allow Satan to instill fear, guilt and doubt in your mind. Your salvation is now guaranteed. Praise God and welcome to His family.
The Bible tells us once you have done the following, you have recieved salvation.
Your Baptism will be only an outward sign/confession to others of what you have already done. It is good to be baptised publically as a witness to your new faith in Jesus. I will pray for your family & friends to be touched by your testimony at your baptism.
This mysterious illness may be an attack of the Devil. Keep praying and putting your trust in the Lord. God is more than willing and able to heal you. I have had illnesses that the doctors thought would claim my life but were not able to diagnose and treat me for them. Only as I prayed and my family joined with me in prayer did these illnesses eventually leave me. I do have an on going Chronic illness but these symptoms were not from that condition. My family doctor was totally amazed that my strange and life threatneing symptoms went away as mysteriously as they came.
Dear Heavenly Father,
I commend my brother Prabhakar to you for healing and to be strenghtened in his faith. Praying Lord you will cut off all attacks of the enemy against his body and mind. Enable Prabhakar to become strong in his trust of you and have no doubt about his salvation and forgiveness of his sins. Thank you Lord that your Son's blood which has washed him clean and now he is able to look forward to enternity in heaven with you. Praying for his friends and family that you will do the work in their hearts and minds necessary to draw them to yourself and the Gospel Truth. Asking for all this in Jesus Name Amen.
Cheers
Mel
prabakar
you are on the right track.read your bible,pray to,jesue christ,from your,heart.i will pray for you,and support you.i will bring you to,jesus in my prayers,up left you,and encourage you.jesus is able,to see you true.he is able to save you,forgive you,and keep you,and wash you clean from your every,sin.i am praying for you.all the best,fight the good fight,in jesus name.stevehenry.let me no,how you get no,ok.
Please Pray for me
I'm 25 years old, I was saved when I was in my teens and eventually fail away from the Lord. Recently, (after many years from the Lord tugging on my heart), recommitted my life to him. I repented of all my sins and backsliding ways. I have started spending time in prayer, reading the word of God, and studying everyday now. I honestly feel such a huge pull on my heart to work for the Lord, I have felt this for years but consistently avoided and ran from Him. Even to the point where I haven't been to church in years, was involved in many unholy things after high school like Drugs, Alcohol, horrible anger issues and premarital sex etc,. The consequences of a lot of my actions has affected my family and their walk with the Lord. I ask that everyone who reads this will pray for my family and I , that he will heal our home and bring all of us together as a Godly family. Please pray He will soften the hearts of my family so they may receive his Holy Salvation and walk his path. Also I pray for guidance in what the Lord wants me to do with my life.
Thanks for reading this and I pray the Lord hears my Prayer.
May God Bless everyone who reads this, Anthony
feel free to send me private messages I'll respond as soon as possible!
A Prayer for Anthony
"Our Father in heaven, thank you for your great love and compassion. Thank you for who you are. You are Love. You have called us to the ministry of reconciliation, that our relationships might be healed and restored. I ask that you would bless Anthony with strength to walk in paths of righteousness. Where he has sinned against his family, help him to repent to them and seek their forgiveness. Help him to receive your forgiveness for his failures and rebellion and grant that he would walk in the knowledge of who he is as a father. Heal his home, heal his marriage and we pray salvation would come to his whole house, in Jesus' name, amen."
Blessings and Peace,
Timothy
My life partner and financila need
I thank God and bless his holly name for all that he did in my life , i thank him because he blesssed me abundantly, please pray for my life patner who is suffering from severe headache i Belive in the power of prayer that he will be healed in the name of Jesus , pray for our financial status we are in the financial troubles we don't know what to do but i belive that God will bless us abundantly .pray for my family , pray for me that i found my way back to the Lord .
Amen
Jesus is the healer
Hi Friends,
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GOD BLESS YOU..
confessions to god
Oh! God I have done one mistake in this your world please forgive me, i will never ever do this again in your beautiful world, please god help me in this issue, i am the only child of yours who has done this type of bad things, i promise you i will never do this again. please forgive me please forgive me please forgive me & help out of this. (I want to tell every body please never do bad thing in this earth because god is there to watch & please live life a good human being)
Amen
Dear Saints, Please
Dear Saints,
Please circulate my prayer request worldwide so that brothers and sisters in Christ can pray for me and my Great Leap Forward Programme that i have initiated in my spiritual,physical and financial life plus that God will give me a breakthrough in my Education Supplements International non-governmental organization (NGO) work to the glory and honour of His Name.
God bless you!
Kindest regards.
Nicholas Ng'ang'a
Director
Education Supplements International
P.O Box 3305
Nakuru
Kenya
Email:omkenya64@yahoo.com
Prayer of Agreement
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus,
This prayer request is for all who name the name
of our Lord Jesus Christ.
It is a prophetic prayer in that it is being prayed at just the right time in
just the right place by just the right people in accordance with the Holy Word
of God which prophesied that 144,000 Jews would turn to Christ in the End Times.
This prayer will be answered only when the many pray it. To that end it is being
sent to all major ministries throughout the world.
"Most merciful and Holy Father, hallowed be thy
name. We present this request to you in the perfection, redemption, love, and
mercy shown to us through the obedient life and blood sacrifice of your only
begotten Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. Holy Father, the time has now come for your
heart to be moved on behalf of your nation of Israel. The time has now come for
the blindness to be lifted off of their eyes. The time has now come for their blinded
eyes to be opened to the glory of your only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. It is
time for them to look upon him whom they have pierced. It is time for the last
great revival - the turning of the the nation of Israel to Christ Jesus. We ask
you Father, in the name of Jesus, to lift the veil from their eyes. We ask you
Father to heal their blindness. We, as one, agree in prayer as touching this for
we know that the nation of Israel has always been close to you heart. By the
mercies, blood sacrifice, redemption, salvation, sanctification, and love shown
us through Jesus Christ we pray. Amen and amen.
Please pray in Holy Week!
Dear friends,
This blessed Holy Week please, support me in prayers for an urgent, difficult intention:
For my complete reconciliation with my loved one, ex fiance NEBOJSA
That Nebojsa DOES NOT GET INVOLVED INTO ANY NEW RELATIONSHIP, but that THAT HE BE DEEPLY IN LOVE WITH ME AND start CALLING ME, APOLOGIZE, that God with His QUICKENING SPIRIT work out peace between us, LEAD OUR FURTHER COMMUNICATION AND GIVE US WISDOM IN BEHAVIOUR TO EACH OTHER, COMPLETE RECONCILIATION and NEW BEGINNING!
THAT GOD DESTROY ALL DEVILS AND WEAPONS FORMED AGAINST OUR RELATIONSHIP IN THE NAME OF JESUS ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, protect our love and future (that our relationship be stronger and successful one) and bring us to marriage as soon as possible!
God gives promises, and I know He is FAITHFUL!
I am sure when your prayers join mine will surely receive a miracle. I am praying with Faith and please help me in this.
Thank you very much. God bless you. I pray for you. Praise the Lord for He hear prayers and answer on it.
Katarina
Could you please pray for me
Hello
I am currently going through IVF and am due to have my egg transplanted in the next few weeks. I have sinned in the past and would like god to forgive me. I would also like you to pray for me that i have my own child. This has been a very painful time in my life. My mind is full of questions that i would like to ask god. I do talk to him and pray but i dont know if i am doing this in the correct way. I want god to come into my life but am not sure how to find him.I want to open my heart to god. All i want is to create life and for god to be with me in everything i do. Please i need your help.. i would be so grateful. Thank You so much
Adele
coud you please pray
Dear sister,
The Bible says in Epesians that God has already accepted you! You are loved. You are very, very loved.Jesus said that if a man has 100 sheep and one is lost, he will seek the lost one over the 99 that were found. You are PRECIOUS to the Lord! You are that one sheep whom He tenderly seeks.
You can talk to God in your own language..you can converse with him as a friend the same way I am talking to you now. He doesn't want fancy language. He understands your words just the way you say them. He is the "friend that sticks closer than a brother".
The Lord loves you so very, very much. He is drawing you. Not to a church, not to a religion, but to His loving heart. Everything is waiting there, Love, joy, comfort, acceptance, understanding, forgiveness...
These are His gifts!
Adele, my wife and I could
Adele, my wife and I could not have children for 14 years, we now have 4 without having to go through the IVF or any man devised methods. For me, a major hurdle to clear before the Lord is that our children are HIS children first. They begin in the heart of God. Wanting children is a God given desire. "Delight yourself in the Lord and He shall give you the desires of your heart. Ps. 37:4" tells me that he both plants the desire and brings about the object of it sister. You can read our story at http://perfectinglove.com/ourstory
As a word of encouragement, you want God in your life BECAUSE he first found you and is drawing you to Himself. He already sees you and already hears you sister. The desire in your heart is from Him to bring you both together forever. Do you have a Bible? What is one question you would like to ask God? Perhaps we can point you to His heart on the subject from the Word.
Blessings and Peace,
Timothy
Thanks
Thank you for comments etc, there are many prayers etc on this website I have stumbled across and yours caught my eye!
Congrats on having children that is wonderful!
I have just come out of a three year relationship, actually just this morning no more than two hours ago I dropped my boyfriend off to the airport back to the UK, I am in Australia.. anyway with some luck I will go back to God, just will take a while....
Thanks again,
with warm regards
Sophie
i would like to ask a question
Hello Michael
When you replied to my message i was so grateful. I would like to ask if you are not a proper christian would god still answer my prayers? Sometimes i think that i am not good enough. I havent got a bible. I have decided to go to church with my christian friend either this sunday or next and im really looking forward to it. My partner really does not believe, i wish he would. Like i said in my last prayer request im hoping that this IVF cycle will bring me a little miracle. I will keep praying. When i pray sometimes i feel like i am being selfish as i ask for my miracle to happen. I would like some tips on how to pray in the right way? I would love to feel the power and love of god but its not happening, what do i need to do to bring him into my life? Is it because i have sinned and does me sleeping with my long term partner make me a sinner? we are not married. I have lots of questions but i think i will sit down and have a think of the other questions. Could you please pray again for me? Thanks so much Adele
Reply to Adele
Dear Adele
I understand your desire to have a child and for the man you love so much come to know God so together you can have a family.
We are made for relationship. That is how God made us. To desire to have families. There is nothing wrong in your desire to have that.
God hears your prayers even if you are not a Christian. There are examples in the Bible where God helps non-Believers receive what they desire when it is His Will for them. God will not withold what He thinks is best for you. First and foremost God desires for you to be forgiven and so saved through His Son's Death on the Cross. We are all born with a sin nature and this needs to be dealt with. All who desire to have their sins forgiven need to repent and believe that Jesus died for their sins to enable them to be forgiven.
Now having children with your partner is another matter. The desire for family is not against God's Will there is a way God desires us to achieve this. God creates marriage to be able to BLESS us and any children we may have. If you were married even your partner as your husband can be blessed by God. Otherwise there is no such covering for him and the children you have with him.
In the end the decision to have a child with your partner is your decision. I'm not trying to enforce my beleif on you, just inform you of what the Bible teaches us. Here is the scripture on this matter. Note here the couples are married as they are referred to as husband and wife. One of the spouses are Believers/Christians and the other IS NOT. Yet if they desire to stay with the Believer then the Believer should remain in the marriage so that the Children would be seen by God as clean or acceptable.
The Bible here is giving advice about divorce so that also makes it clear they are talking about a married couple here & not just a de-facto situation.
If you haven't received Jesus as your Lord and Saviour as yet I would hold off having children. I would recommend you go to Church with your partner and concentrate on both of you coming to know more about Salvation and how to live according to the way the Bible teaches.
God gives us instructions on how to live our lives on this Earth for our good, the good of any children we may have and for the general good of others. God's commands and laws are not to prevent us from having a good time. Many people who hate the Bible and what it teaches want to indulge in supposed fun lifestyles that in the end will hurt them and others and even eventually cause their own deaths. Monogamous relationships are now seen by non-Christians as good as they help to stop the spread of sexually transmitted deases. Divorces causes untold misery and that is why the Bible encourages couples (especially with children) to stay together if possible. So please understand the Bible teaches us a way to live that is for our ultimate good. If you desire to listen and obey you can only successfully do so with the help of God (which you get when you are a Believer).
God hears all prayer but only answers our prayers if it is His Will and for our eternal GOOD. I will pray for the Lord's best for your situation when I pray for you today.
Cheers
Mel
Re: To Question
Why would you want to have a child with a man who may not be in your child's life????? A child needs to have their parents married....It is not talked a lot about but when the child enters school, the child will question why mommy and daddy are not married... I do not know what you consider a long relationship with your partner....Is it a year 5, 10 or more and why have you not married if you have been together for a long time???...There are no proper Christians , just forgiven....We are never good enough, just forgiven..I suspect that the need in you is not the need for a child but the need to become a Child of God......
depends on your circumstances
I do agree with you warrior daughter, that is the way God will have it to be, but sometimes it just is not so, like my situation for instance, I would love my unborn child to grow up with both parents, but my husband of 18yrs left me. He told me to have an abortion but I just could not, that is against Gods' word and His principles. A child needs both parents together as a family the way God ordain it to be in the garden of eden, but His purpose and His divine will be done in my life and the life of my unborn child. "To God be the Glory Great Things He has done, and will do"
Bless you sister. This week
Bless you sister. This week a girl who works at a restaurant shared with a patron that she just found out she was pregnant. The guy told her she had two choices and went on rambling like an evil fool. Later I saw he had a T shirt on saying "Jesus is not religion". I told her quietly, but firmly "Hang in there with the little one. Everything will be OK." Not many words, but I did not want to make a big statement, then leave for my next account while I had stoked a fool's pride and big mouth to do her more harm.
I know God will honor you and your little one. Sorry for the loss of your husband and the place he had in your life.
Blessings and Peace,
Timothy
RE: Bless you Sister
Absolutely Timothy I agree.
We can't force our spouses to stay with us if they don't want to. God will not punish us for the actions and decisions of others. Praise God that we under Grace the children are not held accountable for the sins of the parents. Amen
God can and will bless your children just dedicate them to Him. Pray for them.
I have a few friends who are divorced at Church and God has raised men up in our congregation to step up and help out with their children. One of them has a boy who is mildly autistic and her husband left because he couldn't handle the boys needs. My friend understood she had to focus so much on her son that she had little time for her husband but he never helped her out either. So sad but despite that our Church has stepped in to give the mother respite (from the demands of her son) and some of the family men take turns each week and part of the weekend to have the boy with their families. This young boy has begun to thrive with the attention and help and care of the men in our church.
Take heart God knows your needs and the needs of your children. He will bring about what they need. Praying for God's care and blessings for you and your children.
Cheers
Mel
I would like to ask a question
Adelle,
I am sensing from your post that the Lord is wooing you by His Spirit.
That is how he works in his love. He woos us. Very gently, like a sweet heavenly dove.*
God is a gentleman!
Many are called. Few respond and are thus chosen.
* "On the wings of a snow white dove, he sends his pure sweet love
A sign from above!
On the wings of a dove!"
Sleeping with someone you are not married to
Adele, its really great that you want to know God.
In answer to your questions, sleeping with your long term partner you are not married to IS a sin - its called "fornication". I know its very common in the world today but remember the world we live in is in rebellion to the God of the Bible - the Eternally Existing One. Now, there needs to be a marriage covenant between two people before God can approve of their sexual relationship. Its mostly for the protection of the woman actually. Think about it.
It is not this sin that makes you a sinner though. What makes you a sinner is that in-built desire to live independently of God and do your own thing. All humans have to struggle with that tendency, most are absolutely committed to their independence.
To follow Jesus you have to put him above everything and every one. It means your partner would need to commit to marrying you or you would need to separate. That is, if you want to follow Jesus. Because in following Jesus truly, you give up the rights to your own life. You actually BELONG to Jesus when you become a true Christian, and your life is not your own. That is the way it is for me, and for any one who truly surrenders to Christ's authority. The world does not like that, but bear in mind, the world is under God's judgment and heading for eternal disaster. God is calling people to escape from this evil world and its master, Satan.
Dear Adele
Its great that you want to know God. Basically, keep reading here on this site, and read the Bible. When you come to believe and recognize that Jesus is really God in the flesh, surrender your life to Him and tell Him that. Then He will manifest in your life, give you the Holy Spirit and lead you on from there.
Is Reinhard Bonnke a true follower of christ??
I know he's partners with Benny Hinn who is defenitly false but i'm not so sure Bonnke is false. Something tells me Bonnke is a servant of Jesus Christ. what about you? do you think so??
Reinhard Bonnke
In my view this man is a true man of God. He has sacrificed himself consistently to reach the nations, and he has stayed away from the dishonest money raising tactics that some have employed.
PLEASE!!!
MR. MICHAEL I NEED HELP
IT ALL STARTED WHEN MY BABY BROTHER WAS A LITTLE SWOLLEN ON THE FEET BECAUSE OF A LITTLE ACCIDENT. MY MOTHER WAS GETTING A LITTLE FRAUSRATED BECAUSE MY BABY BROTHER WAS CRYING AND HE WAS TELLING MY MOTHER ,"I WANT TO GO WITH CAROL" SHE STARTED SCREAMING AT HIM AND TOLD HIM NO!!!!!!!!!!!YOUR STAYING WITH ME. SHE STARTED HITTING HIM ALOT AND I LEFT CRYING OUTSIDE PRAYING AND I ASKED MY LORD"FATHER WHICH WAY?" I WENT INSIDE MY HOUSE AND I JUST SLEPT BECAUSE IT WAS LATE. NEXT MORNING, I WOKE UP AND I HAD FORGOT ABOUT EVERYTHING, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF I SHOULD MAKE PANCAKES I HEARD MY MOTHER SCREAMING"I WANT CAROL TO CLEAN THE WHOLE HOUSE" THAT IS WHERE I SAID"OH MAN SHES MAD AT ME I FORGOT". SHE LEFT AND SO WHILE SHE WAS GONE I WAS LISTENING TO SOME WORSHIP SONGS AND I DIDNT KNOW MY MOTHER WAS COMING SOON SO SHE FOUND THAT THE HOUSE WAS NOT CLEAN. SHE STARTED SAYING BAD WORDS AND WHY DID I ONLY GIVE MY BABY BROTHER PANCAKES AND NOTHING ELSE. I DIN'T WANT TO MAKE HER MAD SO I SAID "I DIDN'T KNOW WHY" SHE STARTED TELLING ME THAT SHE DIDNT WANT ME THERE AND TO PACK MY STUFF THAT SHE NEVER WANTED ME TO LIVE THERE EVER AGAIN. SHE TOLD ME THAT I WAS A VERY BAD PERSON.TO CALM HER DOWN I TOLD HER" MOTHER WHY DO YOU SAY BAD WORDS?" SHE GRABBED ME FROM THE HAIR AND PULLED ME AROUND THEHOUSE I TOLD HER" MOM HOLD ON I'M NOT FINISHED PACKING MY BAGS I ATLEAST WANTED TO GET A SHIRT AND UNDERWEAR SHE WANTED ME OUT THE HOUSE SO SHE GRABBEDA HANGGER STARTED HITTING ME I COULD NOT BREATH SO AS BAD AS IT WILL SEEM AND DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO TO SAVE MY LIFE IS KICK HER I DID ASK GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. SHE STARTED CHOKING ME AND SO SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS GONNA GET ME MY CLOTHES THAT I SHE HATED ME AND SHE NEVER WANTED TO SEE ME AGAIN. WHILE GRABBING MY SOCKS AND SHOES SHE STARTED SAYING DO YOU WANT ME TO HIT YOU AGAIN? I LEFT TO THE CAR BECAUSE SHE WAS GONNA LEAVE ME WITH MY AUNT. SHE NEVER GOT MY CLOTHES OR NOTHING.HER SOON TO BE HUSBAND (WHILE IN THE CAR) HE STARTED SAYING THAT I WAS GOING TO SUFFER IN THE FUTURE AND THAT I WAS A BAD PERSON LIE. KILL, AND DESTROY!!! A BAD DEMON.I REALISED THAT SO I LAYED DOWN IN THE CAR AND I COVERED MY EARS. I GOT TO MY AUNT ALL BRUCED UP AND VERY HURT!!! I FEEL REAL SAFE WHAT DO I DO?
Stay out and Call Child Protective Services
Dear Carol, Call 911 or your local Child Abuse hotline
(1-888-767-2445). Phoenix Child Protection Services.
Website:
https://egov.azdes.gov/cmsinternet/main.aspx?menu=154&id=2026&ekmensel=1...
There is nothing else that can be advised on this board under this circumstance. You are in our prayers that you will have the courage to do the right thing and that the Lord will see you through safely.
Blessings and Peace,
Timothy
William Branham - A true or false prophet?
I am not able to make out whether, William Branham (1909-1965) was a true or false prophet. There were many miracles, signs and wonders in his ministry. In his sermons many people were healed. He used to correctly predict someone’s past and illness. But many of his prophecy failed. He is also considered as the major influence in the Latter Rain Movement. He taught that Word of God was given three forms: the zodiac, the Egyptian pyramids, and the written scripture. He did not believe in Trinity of God rather he believed in Jesus Only. He was considered as a True Prophet fulfilling Mal 4:5-6 and Mat 17:11.and even as the seventh angel in the Book of Revelation 10:7.
Does anyone here have an opinion on William Branham?
Branham......
Just the little bit you have writen makes him a false prophet...Even if all his prophecies were true he would still be a false prophet...He mixed his teachings with the occult (zodiac, Egypt's ancient religions) and Scripture..He also denied the Trinity and that is denying the Godhead...How could he even be considered an angel, since he was flesh and blood like you and I?....The Latter Rain movement is a false movement that other movements have evolved out of....These movements are built on man's ideas with a sprinkling of Scripture to back them up and people fall for these contaminating movements.....
Latter Day Rain, Real or Fabrication? - Warrior Daughter
Warrior Daughter:
I enjoy your input on this site. I read your comments. Keep em comin.
I wanna ask you a question? Keep in mind we are only discussing issues. No arguing or arrogant know it all's. There are plenty of other sites where ""true word" people rattle their narrow minded evangelical thoughts. I know this is not your attitude but I put it in for others who read, ok?
You state the Latter Rain Movement is false. Now let's make sure we're talkin the same thing. Essentially the Latter Rain teaching is based on Joel's Biblical comment that old men will have dreams and the young shall prophecy and that there will be some end times enormous move of God's Spirit. Well...in a nut shell, right? Yea...that's pretty much the thought.
Ok...am I Latter Day Rain? Well...I don't know. I'm charismatic and this teaching prevails among us. I read about a remnant generation in Revelations as well. Will God move in a mighty way in the end times? A Latter Day Rain? Or was this statement by Joel fulfilled at pentecost?
Tell me why you believe this teaching is false. I actually do not have an opinion. I'd also would like to hear from others including Michael, our web host.
David
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Latter Rain Denounced 1949
The Assemblies of God denounced the teachings of the Latter Rain movement in 1949 but it just keeps resurfacing...To really understand the teachings, one must find out what they believe....I am also charismatic but I have seen much creep into charisma and sweep people away from the Lord....Some of the deception birthed out of Latter Rain is Kingdom Now Theology, NAR, Manifestation of the Sons of God, KC Prophets,Lakeland ....Latter Rain depends on symbols within the Word with a emphasis on extra biblical revelations, personal prophecies,experiences....
As far as to what is declared by God in Joel, it is yet to be fulfilled and it will come about through the hand of God and not through the works by the hand of man........
Warrior- Latter Day Rain
Warrior:
According to Wikipedia, William Branham and others were involved in what they believed was an end times move of God. I was unaware of this fact and now understand why you made this comment under the William Branham topic.
However, I'm not referring to this at all. I am referring to a future move of the HS according to Joel and Jeremiah. This is what I've heard about from others among the charismatic camp.
In which of these 2 different concepts were you referring? It appears your comment was in regards to what was called a LDR move back in Branham's day. Is this the one the AG denounced? It looks so.
I always thought the LDR was to be a move of God in the end times. Possibly one that will sweep millions into the Kingdom? I'd expect the claims by Joel would prevail (dreams, visions, prophecy..etc). Do you and I have a different understanding of what this is? You seem to indicate that you believe it is to be fulfilled yet, sometime in the future.
Before I make public statements that one is a false prophet, or a teaching is in error ...etc, I know I have thought out my position. Problem for me is I have no position on this topic. I don't know if were gonna have a blast from above or or a demonic attack and watch saints fall off the boat in some end times "falling away" dilema?. Maybe both will happen? I wonder if it's all a timing issue. Joel's prophecy fulfilled with a flood of new converts and also a falling away and a remnant generation holding on. This may also differ due to whether it's pre-trib or post?
Joel 2
Joel 2:..Is a prophecy concerning the state of Israel and it happens before terrible day of the Lord...This comes about after the tribulation whether you believe that you will be raptured before the tribulation, during the tribulation or after the tribulation, that does not matter what matters is that this prophecy comes about for Israel.....Since it is the great and terrible day of the Lord, I would think that it is the time that Jesus returns with His Bride...I will make another post to why AOG rejected the teachings of Latter Rain...As far as the falling away it is already happening and when I post to just why the AOG rejected LR teaching you will see why and that what they rejected is resufacing......
1Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
4The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
5Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
6Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
7They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
8Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
9They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
11And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
12Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
13And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.
14Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?
15Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
16Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
17Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?
18Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people.
19Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:
20But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.
21Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things.
22Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.
23Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
24And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil.
25And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
26And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
27And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.
32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
1949-2009 same Deception
After reading this, I thought I was looking in a mirror.....
All the problems that these God-fearing men tried to eliminate in 1949 have raised it's ugly head again...I trust these leaders to have made the right decision not unlike today's leaders who did not put up a red light but left it up to their leaders even after making a statement that the things that are going on nationally in some AOG churches does not line up with the Scriptures...You have to remember that the old leaders sought God and not man's opinions and they truly cared for their flock...Let me also state I am a AOG member for over 20 years and a alumni of AOG college and repair must be done to this denomination...One last word about Branham, I am not that certain that he started the LR movement, there seems to be a some dispute but this man's grave stone is a pyramid and he was very influential in the LR movement..
I did not include all from my source but the link will enlighten you more...
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FOREWORD: Regular visitors to this site will already know that much of the modern "revival" can be traced to earlier heresies and abberent teachings such as the so-called "latter-rain" revival of the 1940's; and associated teachings such as "manifested sons" and "corporate-christ". Here is an interesting article by an AoG Pastor making direct links with the old LR heresies, rejected by the AoG at the time, and the Brownsville/Pensacola outpourings.
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"Those who disregard the past are bound to repeat it."-- George Santayana
In 1949 at the General Council of the Assemblies of God held in Seattle, the Council overwhelmingly approved a resolution that was prepared by a committee that dealt with the Latter Rain Movement. The resolution adopted disapproved of the following practices of the Latter Rain, and the action was made necessary as a result of the movement invading the Assembly of God churches:
1. The over-emphasis relative to imparting, identifying, bestowing, or confirming of gifts by the laying on of hands and prophecy.
2. The erroneous teaching that the Church is built on the foundation of present-day apostles and prophets.
3. The extreme teaching as advocated by the "New Order," regarding the confession of sin to man and deliverance as practiced, which claims prerogatives to human agency which belongs only to Christ.
4. The erroneous teaching concerning the impartation of the gift of languages as special equipment for missionary service.
5. The extreme and unscriptural practice of imparting or imposing personal leadings by the means of the gifts of utterance.
6. Such other wrestlings and distortions of scripture interpretations which are in opposition to teachings and practices generally accepted among us.(1)
The Latter Rain featured individuals with "oil in the hands"; congregational singing of "the song of the Lord" singing in the Spirit; the emphasis on "God is doing a new thing"; the manifested sons of God teaching; the placing of experience over exposition; the branding of those who denounced the movement; getting away from what the church had been.
In a letter from the Executive Presbytery of the Assemblies of God (April 20, 1949), these observations were given: [They are still valid today.]
http://www.intotruth.org/brn/br-lr.html
AOG Leadership guidance- not crisp
Warrior Daughter-
I have to say that if this is an example of guidance from the AOG General Council then I am not surprised that the AOG had a problem with stray teachings:
(1) this doesn't provide useful guidance
(2) correct- but again- not striking or firm
(3) Confession is good- this is recommended by James; what is excessive? No one can force confession in the flesh but under conviction then the person should confess. This is seen time and again in every great movement of the Spirit- people are convicted of their sin and are driven by the Holy Spirit to confess
(4) correct
(5) unscriptural / usage of word of knowledge or prophecy is to be desired (1Corinthians 14)- prophetic guidance is edifying / however, in the absence of a leadership who are filled with the Spirit- a disaster waiting to happen.
(5) very vague
* singing in the spirit is scriptural and uplifting / under the guidance of spirit filled leadership
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I find this guidance from the AOG leadership less than crisp.
Latter Day Rain, Real or Fabrication? - Warrior Daughter
Warrior:
I agree that Joel is talking about Israel in these scriptures but the one charismatics make a big deal about is Joel 2:28 which is paralleled by Acts 2:17. I think the focus is the "I will pour my spirit on all flesh" part. Emphasis on the word "all". However, taken in the entirety Joel seems focused on just Israel doesn't he? Well this one below is the scripture repeated by the gazillions.
'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS;
Now add on top of that is this "end times wealth transfer" teaching. Whose got the new book on this topic? Yep...the guy least qualified of all to teach anybody about anything, particularly the Bible...Mr. (drum roll please) ............Benny Hinn. Just wonderful.
Ooopss...got off track there. Back to the topic at hand.
Anyways .......what do you mean by the erroneous teaching that "the church is built on the foundation" of apostles, prophets? I'd say the foundation is Christ but I believe in the gifts of the Spirit are in operation today and I do believe in the 5 fold ministry. I also believe in the laying on of hands for impartation but I think you're referring to some form of abuse?
I am uncertain what these 2 items even mean?
1.) The erroneous teaching concerning the impartation of the gift of languages as special equipment for missionary service.
2.) The extreme and unscriptural practice of imparting or imposing personal leadings by the means of the gifts of utterance.
I admit in the 20 years I've been a charismatic, every time a so called move of God hits (Toronto, Brownsville, Todd Bentley ...etc) it seems extremism sets in rather quickly and the gifts get abused. I don't know if this is just a satanic attack to strike the credibility of what God is doing or if the whole thing was bunk to begin with?
Well.....I was AG as a boy. Jimmy Swaggart came to our church in the late 60's/early 70's and destroyed the church piano. Man could he scare the hell outta me! My Pastor was the head superintendent in MI for the AG, Rev. Ivar Frick, who now has ben teaching at an AG College in Minn.
Good info Warrior. If you can, go back and read thur this and answer what you can.
More EXCELLENT Prayer points To Help You!!!
SON OF DAVID HAVE MERCY ON ME
The level of mercy you enjoy from God determines the following:
• The rate at which you progress in the place of prayer.
• The level of fear which your enemy entertains whenever you appear before your enemy.
• The level of authority you have over your enemy.
• The rate at which you solve you problems with anointing of signs and wonders
• The level of unity in the camp of your strong enemies
• The extent to which your angels will fight for you in your absence.
CONFESSION: - Hail, thou that are highly favoured, ‘the Lord; is with thee, blessed are thou
among women/man” Luke 1:28.
1. Son of David have mercy on me and move me forward.
2. Son of David have mercy on me and move me from glory to glory.
3. Son of David have mercy on me and plant me in the rivers of living water.
4. Son of David have mercy on me and expand my coast.
5. Son of David have mercy on me and speak success to my destiny.
6. Son of David have mercy on me and promote me from, minimum to maximum.
7. Son of David have mercy on me and solve my problems with signs and wonders.
8. Son of David have mercy on me and baptize me with; everlasting blessing.
9. Son of David have mercy on me and let me and bring my departed glory.
10. Son of David have mercy on me and let me see your goodness in the land of the living.
11. By fire, by fire, by fire, the mercy of God shall possess me by fire.
12. It is my portion to possess the mercy of God; I shall possess it by fire.
13. It is my portion to pray and see result, as the Lord liveth I shall see the result by fire.
14. In all areas of my life I shall see mercy of God’s goodness in the land of the living.
15. Let the fire of God expose my destiny to the inflow of the blessing of God.
16. O lord have mercy on my destiny and include me among whom you have promised to
show your mercy.
17. Our Lord that is great in mercy, remember me according to the greatness of your mercy.
18. O Lord let the greatness of your mercy begin to change my life from where I am to where
you want me to be.
19. Let the greatness of your mercy begin to change me from what I am to what you want
me.
20. Let the greatness of your mercy begin to open the doors of impossibilities in all areas of
my life.
21. Let the spirit of the goodness and mercy of God be imposed upon my personality
anywhere I shall go.
22. Wherever I shall encounter any difficult situation the mercy of God shall appear and it
around.
23. As the Lord liveth, the mercy of God shall answer on my behalf whenever my name shall
be mentioned for evil.
24. Mercy of God enter the camp of my enemy and represents my interest.
25. Mercy of God enter into the house of my helpers and speak on my behalf.
26. According to your mercy, lift up my destiny and let me achieve greatness to your own
glory.
27. O Lord turn not your mercy away from me all the days of my life.
28. O Lord use your mercy to establish your glory in my life.
29. O Lord saturate all departments of my life with your glory.
30. Let the power of God begin to advertise the glory of God in my life as from today.
31. Let your mercy that is great above the heavens be great in all areas of my life.
32. O Lord use your mercy to uproot whatsoever you did not plant in my life.
33. O Lord use your mercy to uproot the plantation of household enemies in my life.
34. My father in heaven, come down today and use your mere} to plant success into my life.
35. O Lord since the earth is full of your mercy, don’t let your mercy be scarce in my life.
36. With our great mercy O Lord, break all bondages that are tormenting my destiny.
37. With our great mercy oh Lord, add riches to riches in my life.
38. Because of your mercy oh Lord, the tribulation of the present age shall not conquer my
progress.
39. O Lord use your hand of mercy to release my destiny from prison of satan.
40. Let the eternal Rock of Ages roll away every anti-success force blocking me from
succeeding.
41. When the programme of man calls for struggles, let your programme of mercy appear in
my life.
42. O Lord whenever satan is asking for sudden punishment against me let your mercy
appear on my behalf.
43. O Lord have mercy on my soul and redeem my soul from destruction.
44. Father Lord deliver my soul from every impurity that is polluting my soul in Jesus name.
45. I obtain total deliverance from all hindrances that is preventing my soul from yielding unto
the Lord.
46. Let all human destroyers of my soul in my environment bow before me.
47. O my soul depart from the captivity of the present world.
48. If my soul had wandered away from you O Lord have mercy and restore it.
49. Every arrow of darkness flying about, to grieve my soul go back to sender.
50. O my soul arise and serve the Lord in spirit and in truth.
:- Conclude these prayers with song of praise and thanksgiving.
Psalm 32
How does one gain mercy?????
The answer is found in Psalm 32:10,11
He who trusts in the Lord mercy shall surround him....
Be glad in the Lord and rejoice, you righteous; and shout for joy, all you upright in heart.......
Psalm 32
Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. Psalm 103:17-18 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear Him, and His righteousness unto children's children; to such as keep His covenant, and to those who remember His commandments to do them.
Re: Psalm 32
We also gain mercy by giving mercy freely. Mat 5:7 "Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy."
Mat. 18:21-35.
Blessings and Peace,
Timothy
Silencing Satanic Prophets Prayer Points
I'm not well today, but with all the discussion going on about false prophets and such, I need to take just a moment to post these prayer points:
Scripture Reading - 1 Kings 18
Confession - Deut. 33:26-27
1. O God of Elijah, arise in Your anger and scatter every gathering of evil prophet assigned against me, in the name of Jesus.
2. I receive the anointing to disgrace every utterance of darkness assigned to derail me, in the name of Jesus.
3. Every prophet of Baal of my father’s house contending with my destiny, scatter, in the name of Jesus.
4. Where is the Lord God of Elijah, arise and disgrace my disgrace, in the name of Jesus.
5. Every yoke of bewitchment, be broken, in the name of Jesus.
6. Every tongue anointed to waste my destiny, scatter, in the name of Jesus.
7. My Father, arise with Your sword of fire and cut down any evil tree growing against me, in the name of Jesus.
8. Every arrow fired against my brain, backfire, in the name of Jesus.
9. Killer covens assigned against me, scatter, in the name of Jesus.
10. Wherever satanic agents are gathered against me, your time is up, be scattered unto desolation, in Jesus name.
11. Where is the Lord God of Elijah, arise, pursue my pursuers, in the name of Jesus.
12. Where is the Lord God of Elijah, arise, divide my Jordan, in the name of Jesus.
13. Where is the Lord God of Elijah, arise and make me a mysterious wonder, in the name of Jesus.
14. Where is the Lord God of Elijah, arise and make my way plain before my face, in the name of Jesus.
15. Where is the Lord God of Elijah, arise and empower me for uncommon breakthroughs, in the name of Jesus.
16. Where is the Lord God of Elijah, arise and scatter every Jezebel assigned against me, in the name of Jesus.
17. Every Ahab power pursuing my internal prophet, die, in the name of Jesus.
18. Any power pressing my head down, I shake you into the fire of God, in the name of Jesus.
19. Satanic agents assigned to stop me, I stop you before you stop me, in the name of Jesus.
20. Satanic coma or full stop assigned to detain me, vanish, in the name of Jesus.
21. My hidden treasures buried in secret, come forth now, in the name of Jesus.
22. Opportunity aborters, I puncture your powers, in the name of Jesus.
23. Every altar of satanic delay, catch fire, in the name of Jesus.
24. Yokes assigned to frustrate my efforts, break, in the name of Jesus.
25. Where is the Lord God of Elijah, move me forward by fire, in the name of Jesus.
26. Oil of favor from heaven, baptize my head, in the name of Jesus.
27. Evil fingers pointed against my destiny, wither, in the name of Jesus.
28. Any invisible chain on my legs, break, in the name of Jesus.
29. Anointing for victory laughter, fall upon my life, in the name of Jesus.
30. Barriers and strongholds erected to stop me, scatter, in the name of Jesus.
31. Anti-progress enchantments and divination, backfire, in the name of Jesus.
32. O thou that troubleth the Israel of Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries, the God of Elijah shall trouble you today.
33. Every enemy of the Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries, scatter, in the name of Jesus.
34. O God, arise and uproot anything You did not plant inside the Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries, in name of Jesus.
35. Let the fire of revival fall upon me now in the name of Jesus!.
Prophetic Movement and Insanity
The ministry the Lord used to heal my wife was very much involved in ministering to physical and mental disease and disorders. The senior pastor often said a spirit of insanity often comes in with a words that are spoken into our lives as prophecies. The woman recently posted about with a Jezebel spirit after receiving such a word is an example.
Brother Doug, I find your prayer points to be the kind of prayer born of fear and not faith many times. Where do we find any prayer that resembles these 'excellent prayer points' in scripture? At the likelihood of sounding insensitive, I caution you as a brother to seek the simplicity of God's Word. "for God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, love and a SOUND mind." You are fighting for your sanity since the loss of your wife. With all respect, this is not the time for you to be teaching prayer points: either you have been using them for quite a while, and you are in a turmoil despite them, or you have not used them very much and do not know if they are effective, or counter effective.
In love, I challenge you to unplug your brain from all the prayer warrior stuff and zero in on the Bible for a whole week. If you have a concordance, look up a good word study and get grounded from God's mouth to your ears. Do not listen to preachers, or read 'Christian' books. I believe much of the bondage you are experiencing is being fed by the confusion and insanity that comes out of the prophetic movement.
I know this is not what you wish to hear brother, but I have to put the question out there. Has anyone else noticed a spirit of insanity that comes in the name of prophecy and words of knowledge?
Doug, I implore you to go back to the basics of Christ. You will find strength and deliverance there. We are but sheep. Our Lord is the Good Shepherd. Wolves only fear our voice when they see that we are close to the Good Shepherd. When we speak, they run - not because we are mighty in spirit, but because they look over our shoulder down the barrel of a rifle held by Our Good Shepherd. Draw back to the Shepherd and let Him do the talking for you. Many times we get drawn away from Him and get brassy at the enemy, only to have the enemy then encircle and devour us when we have gotten too much into 'our authority' and too removed from the One who gives it.
Blessings and Peace,
Timothy
prophetic movement and insanity
Prophetic Movement and Insanity
On March 13th, 2009 JustAGuy says:
The ministry the Lord used to heal my wife was very much involved in ministering to physical and mental disease and disorders. The senior pastor often said a spirit of insanity often comes in with a words that are spoken into our lives as prophecies. The woman recently posted about with a Jezebel spirit after receiving such a word is an example.
Brother Doug, I find your prayer points to be the kind of prayer born of fear and not faith many times. Where do we find any prayer that resembles these 'excellent prayer points' in scripture? At the likelihood of sounding insensitive, I caution you as a brother to seek the simplicity of God's Word. "for God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, love and a SOUND mind." You are fighting for your sanity since the loss of your wife. With all respect, this is not the time for you to be teaching prayer points: either you have been using them for quite a while, and you are in a turmoil despite them, or you have not used them very much and do not know if they are effective, or counter effective.
In love, I challenge you to unplug your brain from all the prayer warrior stuff and zero in on the Bible for a whole week. If you have a concordance, look up a good word study and get grounded from God's mouth to your ears. Do not listen to preachers, or read 'Christian' books. I believe much of the bondage you are experiencing is being fed by the confusion and insanity that comes out of the prophetic movement.
I know this is not what you wish to hear brother, but I have to put the question out there. Has anyone else noticed a spirit of insanity that comes in the name of prophecy and words of knowledge?
Doug, I implore you to go back to the basics of Christ. You will find strength and deliverance there. We are but sheep. Our Lord is the Good Shepherd. Wolves only fear our voice when they see that we are close to the Good Shepherd. When we speak, they run - not because we are mighty in spirit, but because they look over our shoulder down the barrel of a rifle held by Our Good Shepherd. Draw back to the Shepherd and let Him do the talking for you. Many times we get drawn away from Him and get brassy at the enemy, only to have the enemy then encircle and devour us when we have gotten too much into 'our authority' and too removed from the One who gives it.
Blessings and Peace,
Timothy
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Prophetic and insanity
On March 14th, 2009 dougw says:
Here is a saying trustworthy and true: Every man in his own personal walk with the Lord is going to have to find out from hard personal experience what does and does not work. Every man, only by going through the spiritual trenches on a personal basis needs, with much diligence and unavoidable pain, to discern the particular will of God for his own life. He can ask for others' help, (and indeed should) but ultimately, it is ineluctable that he will have to simply live it out for himself. He will have to walk his walk, fall down, skin his knees, get up, dust himself off, and do it again and again and again, ad infinitum, until he ultimately looks down and sees gold beneath his feet,.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
I have MUCH more to say on this subject, but I have some errands to run right now. I will be back later on, (perhaps today or tomorrow) to elaborate, AND with some tough questions for you. (If you're up to the challenge)
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On March 14th, 2009 JustAGuy says:
Sure, hit me with your questions. I like "lather, rinse, repeat!" :)
Quick request. Please keep it to less than four at a time so I don't get distracted and lose focus. Thanks,
Blessings and Peace,
Timothy
There is no way I can be fully comprehensive in my reply. My thoughts are a multitude and we have only limited space and time here. But I will try to make a start:
You said this is "not the time for you to be teaching prayer points"
Teaching? I can only say in reply that I am not teaching. Nay, but I am just posting what I have found, hoping they will be helpful to someone else. I am not the author. And I can't produce a signed certificate from the lord Jesus Christ Himself saying "Doug is authorized by Me to teach". And, oh, by the way, I haven't seen your signed certificate either.
And here is something else: Every person on the face of this earth who calls them self a teacher in the body of Christ can not produce a certificate either. (And what one carries out in his pocket from seminary means squat, in my opinion.) I hate to tell you this, but short from God himself coming down with a tonitruous clap of resounding thunder, whether a person is authorized by the Holy Spirit to teach, or preach, or any other calling) is totally subjective! All we have is the word of other men that this person is called to be such and such in the body. The unavoidable fact is that conclusions on whether a person is genuinely called or not all come down to individual and colective human judgements. Being the humans that we all are, with our intrinsic limitations, we are all, of necessity, forced to make a personal and quite fallible human judgement on each person who enters our orbit. With the ubiquity of false teachers and prophets that abound in today's "Christianity", I would conclude that the majority of us have done an atrocious job of judging who's for real and who's not.
That is an introduction to my thoughts, but I have not entered into the meat of my reply yet, (nor my questions for you) for I am posting today in a fatigued state, and need to rest for the afternoon, post-prandial.
Peace and blessings,
Doug
prophetic and insanity
Quickly now, I would like to address a statement that you made. You said I am fighting for my sanity since my wife died.
Being the one man who lives in my own body, wears my own shoes, puts on my own pants in the morning, etc, I must respectfully disagree. Brother, we have never met, except through virtual space, so how do you know what my personal fight involves? Only God and myself know my fight. And those with whom I share it.
No I am not fighting for my sanity, and I feel it is wrong for you to make such a public assessment, for you do not know my mind. I am in fact, quite sane and of sound mind. My dad, some time before he died (the same year as my wife, btw) had observed about me, having watched all that I had been through in my life (And I quote) "I don't know how that guy keeps his sanity!!"
Well, dad, I've been through unspeakably more since you have passed. I keep it because ultimately I have faith in Christ. It's that simple. Otherwise, it is correct that I would have lost it YEARS ago. But I have maintained it.
In fact, my sanity remains intact, but that is not what I am fighting for. I am fighting for MY VERY LIFE. I am fighting for my existence on planet earth, until the day God calls me away for real. (as are MANY of us.) Just a guy please distinguish between the two. You don't know me, and you would not know that I am fighting for my life except that I have just told you. I am fighting to not fall off the edge of the planet, not mentally, but in every other way...physically, financially, and in other ways. My wife left me barrels of debt, you see. I think it's a credit to me that I have maintained a semblance of sanity, considering all I have been through.
You don't know my trials. You have not the slightest inkling what I have experienced since I came to the Lord over 40 years ago. I am not going to write you a novel..although I could.
If you would like to judge me as a man on the brink of insanity, then of a surety that is your personal business, but it should remain between you and the Lord, as you faithfully pray that the Lord would restore it. (If indeed you still believe I am losing it.)
Yes, again, allow me to ingeminate. If you believe I am losing my sanity, then does not the law of Christ within your members compel you to pray that God will restore it to me?
Now on the flip side of the coin, I would concede that the enemy would like nothing more than to steal my sanity, as he comes to steal, kill and destroy. in fact, he would delight to steal ANYTHING in my (our) life, but I'm a tough old cookie, and I am just not going to let him do it. He stole my wife, then he stole the one that God sent to take her place after she died, but that was the last straw.
A man can only take SO MUCH. There comes a point when one acutely realizes that the enemy has brazenly stepped over the line, and, I don't know how to say this delicately, but there just comes a point when one is pushed to the brink and becomes that man who is "mad as hell and am not going to take it anymore." There comes a point where a Godly man's anger becomes kindled and hotly burns..not against God..not against his fellow man, but against the real enemy, satan, the devil, and his motley band of cut-throats.
Remember the classic cartoon Popeye? Sure you do! Remember how he would say "I've stood all I can stands, and I can't stands no more!!!"
Well, it came for me, surprisingly, not with my wife's death, but when the enemy took the one who loved me AFTER my wife was gone. If I was ever going to lose my sanity, that would have surely been the time to do it. Instead, I dawned my armor, and became a warrior, and if you are going to criticize me for fighting for my rights, then I would surmise there is a great disparity, indeed a chasm between our way of viewing the world that may never be bridged.
Again, you have no INKLING of the pain I have been through in my life, and you have no clue how deep the river runs.
People in the world demonstrate what happens when a man truly loses his sanity. Just look at the news the last few days. No less than three or four incidents where someone went over the brink, took a rifle or a shot gun and went on a raging sanguinary shooting rampage, taking dozens of innocent civilian lives in the madness.
Now THAT'S what I call losing one's sanity.
The difference between me and them? Christ in my heart. The law of God at work in my members. I love the Lord! The love of Christ compels me to pray for the hurting,not to take them from this life before their time!
BUT, and this is important, I have NO COMPUNCTION whatsoever, concerning spiritual war, and taking out whole hordes, if necessary, of the scummy, low life, bottom feeding demons that are under the control of the prince of the power of the air who happen to be behind untold misery and suffering that have plagued the human race including myself, from the time of Eden's fall.
More next post. I am just beginning to get wound up.
Doug, Thank you profusely
Doug, Thank you profusely for taking the time to quite clearly and without bitterness (which misunderstandings of this magnitude often engender). Your character comes through very nicely! I have been through dark valleys and have had to hold on to God for dear life. Frankly, we all are in a fight for our sanity. Let me address two points openly, and we can finish the discussion privately - which is what I should have done in the first place and for which I owe you profuse apologies.
I have problems with some of the points and presentation and I should have simply addressed those here. I was onto prophetic and insanity and well, in short. I WAS WRONG. Sorry brother. For the record of this open conversation here is an explanation of where I am coming from:
1) Sanity is having the mind of Christ. Insanity is a condition of degrees that we ALL have where we do not have the mind of Christ. It is like saying I am ignorant. Yes I am. And so are you - in areas where we do not conform. When I say fighting for your sanity, I am not saying you are insane. I am saying you are in the midst of a deep battle yourself on a foundational level. I am referring to your post just days prior to when I wrote you.
Is there something wrong with having a battle like this? No. But it is a battle on a deep spiritual level that shows much turmoil and unrest. My comments were that it may be premature to be putting out 'excellent prayer points' at a time when you have not witnessed the fruit of them.
Having read your reply just now, I can see that perhaps you have seen good fruit in part in your life, though you still have the battle going on.
2) In reply to your earlier comment. Teaching is something we do without having to officially announce or name ourselves as a teacher. When we post a list of how to do something and recommend it with a qualifier like "excellent" we are endorsing a methodology and placing it out there for others to partake of and use. This is teaching and puts a level of accountability on us before God whether we realize it or not.
Again, thank you for taking the time to answer this fool. I will comment on the prayer points in a separate thread. You are a good brother and God will give you victory as we persist in His Word and in His Love.
Blessings and Peace,
Timothy
Doug thankyou profusely
Thank-you for your gracious reply. Yes, I would love to talk more through private e-mail.
How can I contact you?
Doug
Doug, Click my name JustAGuy
Doug, Click my name JustAGuy and it will take you to my information page. In the upper right of the frame you will see 'contact'. Click it and it will send an email. I sent you one that way, did you not get it?
Blessings and Peace,
Timothy
Doug click
I'll have to check my e-mail. Haven't been there yet today, I have two e-mails. One that I use when posting on public forums, (with about a trillion spams in it) and one that I am trying to keep clean of spam. It probably went in the former.
I check the latter more frequently, and the former every few days.
Prophetic and insanity
Here is a saying trustworthy and true: Every man in his own personal walk with the Lord is going to have to find out from hard personal experience what does and does not work. Every man, only by going through the spiritual trenches on a personal basis needs, with much diligence and unavoidable pain, to discern the particular will of God for his own life. He can ask for others' help, (and indeed should) but ultimately, it is ineluctable that he will have to simply live it out for himself. He will have to walk his walk, fall down, skin his knees, get up, dust himself off, and do it again and again and again, ad infinitum, until he ultimately looks down and sees gold beneath his feet,.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
I have MUCH more to say on this subject, but I have some errands to run right now. I will be back later on, (perhaps today or tomorrow) to elaborate, AND with some tough questions for you. (If you're up to the challenge)
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