Book of Romans Discussion

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I stated on another page:

 

Lets go to the Book of Romans:

Rom 2:6  Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 

Rom 2:7  To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 
Rom 2:8  But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 
Rom 2:9  Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 
 
What Paul addresses in the Book of Romans is that the law is powerless to deliver the sanctification and the justification we need. It is through indwelling Holy Spirit and the cross of Christ that these things happen.

Some take a few selected passages from the Book of Romans such as Romans 3:23,24; Romans 6:23; Romans 5:18; Romans 7 and Romans 10:9,10 and construct their entire understanding of salvation based essentially on these verses alone, NEGLECTING the other statements in the Book of Romans which discuss the reality of the condition of a true believer in Christ.

I THANK GOD for the free gift of salvation. But just because someone gives you a gift, doesn't mean that it is impossible for you to throw it away.

Many people throw away their salvation because they wanted to keep their sins, and just get rid of the punishment for sins.

Paul warns that those who are self seeking and do not obey the truth will suffer indignation and wrath. This is because those who are fundamentally self-seeking are in no wise obeying the commandment of Christ to walk in love.

We must be God seekers. If a person doesn't seek God, it is because they don't think it is worthwhile to do it. Such a person does not believe that God is an effective rewarder of those who diligently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6) and as such, doesn't actually have the real faith which pleases God.

If God has no pleasure in you, you will be damned.

Its much better to repent.

Those who "speak evil of the law" and "judge the law" (see the Book of James) like to take the letter of Paul to the Romans and twist it to mean that God no longer considers whether the believer in Christ's salvation means to serve God or the devil – as far as their eternal salvation is concerned.

Paul guards against such interpretations in the Book of Romans itself. We see this in Paul's statement:

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?"

Romans 6:1

If a person doesn't believe they have in some real sense died to sin, they are not in the category Paul includes himself in. I am not saying here that a Christian is perfect or sinless in behavior, but that the core heart choice of the true Christian is to be devoted to righteousness and not the self-seeking loveless kind of living that characterises an unsaved person.

Anyone serious about overcoming sin should meditate on Romans 6. Paul even says:

But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 

Romans 6:22

Is Paul writing the honest-to-goodness truth here about the Christian community? Or is he really having himself on?

Paul warns about the danger of having a sinful mental focus in Romans 8:5,6:

For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.  

Again, Paul is writing to spirit-filled Christians. What is the mindset that is death? It is to have a mental focus on that which is sinful, selfish, lustful and so on. Just to please yourself. The mindset that is life and peace is that which is focused on Christ and the things of the Spirit.

There is also a strong warning against falling away in the Book of Romans.

Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

(Romans 11:20-22)

These verses teach us sober truth that the "free grace theologians" so-called have to gloss over or ignore. But you ignore God's warnings at your peril. They are there for a reason, and millions of otherwise intelligent people have ignored them to their eternal regret and destruction. Don't join them. Consider the reasonableness of Jesus Christ. He gives you everything, if you will only take hold of it, including the grace to walk with God in righteousness. Those who are on this path are beloved of God, are justified (though they still make mistakes as they learn), and are being sanctified. A righteous man can fall and get up. Just don't listen to those who say that you can stay down in the mud with the pigs and still be righteous. Like the Prodigal Son in Luke 15, you have to actually return home to the Father.

 

 

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  1. barbie49701 says:

    Grace Factor 12/2/2011

    First off friends let me say Grace be unto us all this blessed day that lord has made. I will rejoice and be glad in it. Second I am so thankful have to have the pleasure of having Jesus in my life. Having his grace given so abundantly unto me. Not because of I have done anything to deserve him or will ever do anything to earn him, except believe in him. He has given freely given abundantly to me as my friend, as my everything. Praise be to my Papa God as well for which threw Jesus I am giving him the glory and honor that he so worthily deserves without a doubt unwavering, like a tree planted next to the water, I am sure and believe Papa God you are worth more than silver, more precious than gold, and Papa God and nothing and I mean nothing can compare to you.
    Okay….I am ready now shall we begin? ūüôā

    First off Let’s go to my number resource about receiving facts about a topic. A topic within any realm of this world. Whether of the earthy physical world or that of the spiritual world, invisible to the naked eye. I go to the greatest book I have had the pleasure of reading and sharing in the wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of my God, The Bible. However, first before we venture forth into higher things, I ask this question. Does anyone know what grace means. Stop….Wait, does anyone know what grace really means, not what the pastor said, not what your neighbor said but what the definition really is? Let’s start there shall we?
    Grace:
    word used as a noun
    1. elegance or beauty of form, manner, motion, or action: We watched her skate with effortless grace across the ice. Synonyms: attractiveness, charm, gracefulness,comeliness, ease, lissomeness, fluidity. 
    2. a pleasing or attractive quality or endowment: He lacked the manly graces.
    favor or goodwill. Synonyms: kindness, kindliness, love,benignity; condescension.
    3. a¬†manifestation¬†of¬†favor,¬†especially¬†by¬†a¬†superior:¬†It¬†was only¬†through¬†the¬†dean’s¬†grace¬†that¬†I¬†wasn’t¬†expelled¬†from school.¬†Synonyms:¬†forgiveness,¬†charity,¬†mercifulness. Antonyms:¬†animosity,¬†enmity,¬†disfavor.
    4.mercy; clemency; pardon: He was saved by an act of grace from the governor. Synonyms: lenity, leniency, reprieve. Antonyms: harshness.

    Used a Verb with an object
    1.to lend or add grace to; adorn: Many fine paintings graced the rooms of the house. Synonyms: embellish, beautify,deck, decorate, ornament; enhance, honor.
    2.to¬†favor¬†or¬†honor:¬†to¬†grace¬†an¬†occasion¬†with¬†one’s¬†presence. Synonyms:¬†¬†glorify,¬†elevate,¬†exalt.¬†Antonyms:¬†¬†disrespect,dishonor.

    Itdioms
    1. but for the grace of God, under less fortunate circumstances: But for the grace of God, the brick that just fell from the roof would have hit me on the head!
    2. by the grace of God, thankfully; 
    fortunately:¬†By¬†the¬†graceof¬†God,¬†I¬†won’t¬†have¬†to¬†deal¬†with¬†tax¬†returns¬†for¬†another year.
    fall from grace,
    Theology . to relapse into sin or disfavor.
    3. to lose favor; be discredited: He fell from grace when the boss found out he had lied.
    4. have the grace to, to be so kind as to: Would you have the grace to help, please?
    5. in¬†someone’s¬†good¬†/¬†bad¬†graces,¬†
    regarded with favor (or disfavor) by someone: It is a wonder that I have managed to stay in her good graces this long.
    (Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2011)

    Grace definition

     (1.) Of form or person (Prov. 1:9; 3:22; Ps. 45:2). 
    (2.) Favour,kindness, friendship (Gen. 6:8; 18:3; 19:19; 2 Tim. 1:9). 
    (3.)God’s¬†forgiving¬†mercy¬†(Rom.¬†11:6;¬†Eph.¬†2:5).¬†
    (4.) The gospel asdistinguished from the law (John 1:17; Rom. 6:14; 1 Pet. 5:12)
    (5.) Gifts freely bestowed by God; as miracles, prophecy,tongues (Rom. 15:15; 1 Cor. 15:10; Eph. 3:8).
     (6.) Christianvirtues (2 Cor. 8:7; 2 Pet. 3:18). 
    (7.) The glory hereafter to berevealed (1 Pet. 1:13).
    Easton’s 1897 Bible Dictionary

    Now that we have all the definitions of what the word means. Lets take it a little further to say see what the bible has written within it. First off let me say that there’s 159 verses within the KJV that have the word grace written. However, the word grace is written 170 times within the KJV. I like to compare and contrast bibles so within the ESV there are 123 verses found with the word grace written within it. The word grace is actually found within the ESV 132 times. This could be taken further but I will move along with this.

    The He said she said stuff. Really? What does God say? Any one? Okay here we go people.
    KJV
    Gen_6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
    Gen_19:19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:
    Gen_32:5 And I have oxen, and asses, flocks, and menservants, and womenservants: and I have sent to tell my lord, that I may find grace in thy sight.
    Gen_33:8 And he said, What meanest thou by all this drove which I met? And he said, These are to find grace in the sight of my lord.
    Gen_33:10 And Jacob said, Nay, I pray thee, if now I have found grace in thy sight, then receive my present at my hand: for therefore I have seen thy face, as though I had seen the face of God, and thou wast pleased with me.
    Gen_33:15 And Esau said, Let me now leave with thee some of the folk that are with me. And he said, What needeth it? let me find grace in the sight of my lord.
    Gen_34:11 And Shechem said unto her father and unto her brethren, Let me find grace in your eyes, and what ye shall say unto me I will give.
    Gen_39:4 And Joseph found grace in his sight, and he served him: and he made him overseer over his house, and all that he had he put into his hand.
    Gen_47:25 And they said, Thou hast saved our lives: let us find grace in the sight of my lord, and we will be Pharaoh’s servants.
    Gen_47:29 And the time drew nigh that Israel must die: and he called his son Joseph, and said unto him, If now I have found grace in thy sight, put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh, and deal kindly and truly with me; bury me not, I pray thee, in Egypt:
    Gen_50:4 And when the days of his mourning were past, Joseph spake unto the house of Pharaoh, saying, If now I have found grace in your eyes, speak, I pray you, in the ears of Pharaoh, saying,
    Exo_33:12 And Moses said unto the LORD, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight.
    Exo_33:13 Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.
    Exo_33:16 For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.
    Exo_33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
    Exo_34:9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.
    Num_32:5 Wherefore, said they, if we have found grace in thy sight, let this land be given unto thy servants for a possession, and bring us not over Jordan.
    Jdg_6:17 And he said unto him, If now I have found grace in thy sight, then shew me a sign that thou talkest with me.
    Rth_2:2 And Ruth the Moabitess said unto Naomi, Let me now go to the field, and glean ears of corn after him in whose sight I shall find grace. And she said unto her, Go, my daughter.
    Rth_2:10 Then she fell on her face, and bowed herself to the ground, and said unto him, Why have I found grace in thine eyes, that thou shouldest take knowledge of me, seeing I am a stranger?
    1Sa_1:18 And she said, Let thine handmaid find grace in thy sight. So the woman went her way, and did eat, and her countenance was no more sad.
    1Sa_20:3 And David sware moreover, and said, Thy father certainly knoweth that I have found grace in thine eyes; and he saith, Let not Jonathan know this, lest he be grieved: but truly as the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, there is but a step between me and death.
    1Sa_27:5 And David said unto Achish, If I have now found grace in thine eyes, let them give me a place in some town in the country, that I may dwell there: for why should thy servant dwell in the royal city with thee?
    2Sa_14:22 And Joab fell to the ground on his face, and bowed himself, and thanked the king: and Joab said, To day thy servant knoweth that I have found grace in thy sight, my lord, O king, in that the king hath fulfilled the request of his servant.
    2Sa_16:4 Then said the king to Ziba, Behold, thine are all that pertained unto Mephibosheth. And Ziba said, I humbly beseech thee that I may find grace in thy sight, my lord, O king.
    Ezr_9:8 And now for a little space grace hath been shewed from the LORD our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a nail in his holy place, that our God may lighten our eyes, and give us a little reviving in our bondage.
    Est_2:17 And the king loved Esther above all the women, and she obtained grace and favour in his sight more than all the virgins; so that he set the royal crown upon her head, and made her queen instead of Vashti.
    Psa_45:2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.
    Psa_84:11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
    Pro_1:9 For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.
    Pro_3:22 So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck.
    Pro_3:34 Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.
    Pro_4:9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.
    Pro_22:11 He that loveth pureness of heart, for the grace of his lips the king shall be his friend.
    Jer_31:2 Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.
    Zec_4:7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
    Zec_12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
    Luk_2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
    Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    Joh_1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
    Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
    Act_4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
    Act_11:23 Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord.
    Act_13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
    Act_14:3 Long time therefore abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands.
    Act_14:26 And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled.
    Act_15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
    Act_15:40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.
    Act_18:27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
    Act_20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
    Act_20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
    Rom_1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
    Rom_1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Rom_3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
    Rom_4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
    Rom_4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
    Rom_5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
    Rom_5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
    Rom_5:17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
    Rom_5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
    Rom_5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
    Rom_6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
    Rom_11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
    Rom_11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
    Rom_12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
    Rom_12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
    Rom_15:15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God,
    Rom_16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
    Rom_16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
    1Co_1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
    1Co_1:4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
    1Co_3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
    1Co_10:30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
    1Co_15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
    1Co_16:23 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
    2Co_1:2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
    2Co_1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.
    2Co_4:15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.
    2Co_6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
    2Co_8:1 Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia;
    2Co_8:6 Insomuch that we desired Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also finish in you the same grace also.
    2Co_8:7 Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.
    2Co_8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
    2Co_8:19 And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:
    2Co_9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
    2Co_9:14 And by their prayer for you, which long after you for the exceeding grace of God in you.
    2Co_12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
    2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. The second epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.
    Gal_1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Gal_1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
    Gal_1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace,
    Gal_2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
    Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
    Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
    Gal_6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen. To the Galatians written from Rome.
    Eph_1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Eph_1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
    Eph_1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
    Eph_2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
    Eph_2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
    Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    Eph_3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
    Eph_3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
    Eph_3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
    Eph_4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
    Eph_4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
    Eph_6:24 Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen. To the Ephesians written from Rome, by Tychicus.
    Php_1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Php_1:7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.
    Php_4:23 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. To the Philippians written from Rome, by Epaphroditus.
    Col_1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Col_1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
    Col_3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
    Col_4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
    Col_4:18 The salutation by the hand of me Paul. Remember my bonds. Grace be with you. Amen. Written from Rome to Colossians by Tychicus and Onesimus.
    1Th_1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    1Th_5:28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. The first epistle to the Thessalonians was written from Athens.
    2Th_1:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    2Th_1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    2Th_2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
    2Th_3:18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. The second epistle to the Thessalonians was written from Athens.
    1Ti_1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
    1Ti_1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
    1Ti_6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. The first to Timothy was written from Laodicea, which is the chiefest city of Phrygia Pacatiana.
    2Ti_1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
    2Ti_1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
    2Ti_2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
    2Ti_4:22 The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit. Grace be with you. Amen. The second epistle unto Timotheus, ordained the first bishop of the church of the Ephesians, was written from Rome, when Paul was brought before Nero the second time.
    Tit_1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
    Tit_2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
    Tit_3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
    Tit_3:15 All that are with me salute thee. Greet them that love us in the faith. Grace be with you all. Amen. It was written to Titus, ordained the first bishop of the church of the Cretians, from Nicopolis of Macedonia.
    Phm_1:3 Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Phm_1:25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen. Written from Rome to Philemon, by Onesimus a servant.
    Heb_2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
    Heb_4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
    Heb_10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
    Heb_12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
    Heb_12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
    Heb_13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
    Heb_13:25 Grace be with you all. Amen. Written to the Hebrews from Italy, by Timothy.
    Jas_1:11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
    Jas_4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
    1Pe_1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
    1Pe_1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
    1Pe_1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
    1Pe_3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
    1Pe_4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
    1Pe_5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
    1Pe_5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
    1Pe_5:12 By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand.
    2Pe_1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
    2Pe_3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
    2Jn_1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
    Jud_1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Rev_1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
    Rev_22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

    ESV
    Est_2:17 the king loved Esther more than all the women, and she won grace and favor in his sight more than all the virgins, so that he set the royal crown on her head and made her queen instead of Vashti.
    Psa_45:2 You are the most handsome of the sons of men; grace is poured upon your lips; therefore God has blessed you forever.
    Psa_86:6 Give ear, O LORD, to my prayer; listen to my plea for grace.
    Jer_31:2 Thus says the LORD: “The people who survived the sword found grace in the wilderness; when Israel sought for rest,
    Zec_4:7 Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain. And he shall bring forward the top stone amid shouts of ‘Grace, grace to it!'”
    Zec_12:10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
    Joh_1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
    Joh_1:16 And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.
    Joh_1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
    Act_4:33 And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all.
    Act_6:8 And Stephen, full of grace and power, was doing great wonders and signs among the people.
    Act_11:23 When he came and saw the grace of God, he was glad, and he exhorted them all to remain faithful to the Lord with steadfast purpose,
    Act_13:43 And after the meeting of the synagogue broke up, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who, as they spoke with them, urged them to continue in the grace of God.
    Act_14:3 So they remained for a long time, speaking boldly for the Lord, who bore witness to the word of his grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands.
    Act_14:26 and from there they sailed to Antioch, where they had been commended to the grace of God for the work that they had fulfilled.
    Act_15:11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”
    Act_15:40 but Paul chose Silas and departed, having been commended by the brothers to the grace of the Lord.
    Act_18:27 And when he wished to cross to Achaia, the brothers encouraged him and wrote to the disciples to welcome him. When he arrived, he greatly helped those who through grace had believed,
    Act_20:24 But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.
    Act_20:32 And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
    Rom_1:5 through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations,
    Rom_1:7 To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Rom_3:24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
    Rom_4:16 That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring–not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
    Rom_5:2 Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
    Rom_5:15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
    Rom_5:17 For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
    Rom_5:20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
    Rom_5:21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    Rom_6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?
    Rom_6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
    Rom_6:15 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
    Rom_11:5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
    Rom_11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
    Rom_12:3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.
    Rom_12:6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith;
    Rom_15:15 But on some points I have written to you very boldly by way of reminder, because of the grace given me by God
    Rom_16:20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
    Rom_16:24 [The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.]
    1Co_1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    1Co_1:4 I give thanks to my God always for you because of the grace of God that was given you in Christ Jesus,
    1Co_3:10 According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it.
    1Co_15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
    1Co_16:23 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you.
    2Co_1:2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    2Co_1:12 For our boast is this, the testimony of our conscience, that we behaved in the world with simplicity and godly sincerity, not by earthly wisdom but by the grace of God, and supremely so toward you.
    2Co_1:15 Because I was sure of this, I wanted to come to you first, so that you might have a second experience of grace.
    2Co_4:15 For it is all for your sake, so that as grace extends to more and more people it may increase thanksgiving, to the glory of God.
    2Co_6:1 Working together with him, then, we appeal to you not to receive the grace of God in vain.
    2Co_8:1 We want you to know, brothers, about the grace of God that has been given among the churches of Macedonia,
    2Co_8:6 Accordingly, we urged Titus that as he had started, so he should complete among you this act of grace.
    2Co_8:7 But as you excel in everything–in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in all earnestness, and in our love for you–see that you excel in this act of grace also.
    2Co_8:9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich.
    2Co_8:19 And not only that, but he has been appointed by the churches to travel with us as we carry out this act of grace that is being ministered by us, for the glory of the Lord himself and to show our good will.
    2Co_9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.
    2Co_9:14 while they long for you and pray for you, because of the surpassing grace of God upon you.
    2Co_12:9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
    2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
    Gal_1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ,
    Gal_1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel–
    Gal_1:15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,
    Gal_2:9 and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
    Gal_2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
    Gal_5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
    Gal_6:18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers. Amen.
    Eph_1:2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Eph_1:6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.
    Eph_1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,
    Eph_2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ–by grace you have been saved–
    Eph_2:7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
    Eph_2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
    Eph_3:2 assuming that you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me for you,
    Eph_3:7 Of this gospel I was made a minister according to the gift of God’s grace, which was given me by the working of his power.
    Eph_3:8 To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
    Eph_4:7 But grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.
    Eph_4:29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
    Eph_6:24 Grace be with all who love our Lord Jesus Christ with love incorruptible.
    Php_1:2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Php_1:7 It is right for me to feel this way about you all, because I hold you in my heart, for you are all partakers with me of grace, both in my imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel.
    Php_4:23 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.
    Col_1:2 To the saints and faithful brothers in Christ at Colossae: Grace to you and peace from God our Father.
    Col_1:6 which has come to you, as indeed in the whole world it is bearing fruit and growing–as it also does among you, since the day you heard it and understood the grace of God in truth,
    Col_4:18 I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand. Remember my chains. Grace be with you.
    1Th_1:1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace.
    1Th_5:28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
    2Th_1:2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    2Th_1:12 so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    2Th_2:16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,
    2Th_3:18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.
    1Ti_1:2 To Timothy, my true child in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
    1Ti_1:14 and the grace of our Lord overflowed for me with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
    1Ti_6:21 for by professing it some have swerved from the faith. Grace be with you.
    2Ti_1:2 To Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
    2Ti_1:9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
    2Ti_2:1 You then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus,
    2Ti_4:22 The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you.
    Tit_1:4 To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.
    Tit_2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,
    Tit_3:7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
    Tit_3:15 All who are with me send greetings to you. Greet those who love us in the faith. Grace be with you all.
    Phm_1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    Phm_1:25 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.
    Heb_2:9 But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
    Heb_4:16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
    Heb_10:29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?
    Heb_12:15 See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled;
    Heb_13:9 Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them.
    Heb_13:25 Grace be with all of you.
    Jas_4:6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
    1Pe_1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
    1Pe_1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully,
    1Pe_1:13 Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
    1Pe_3:7 Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.
    1Pe_4:10 As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God’s varied grace:
    1Pe_5:5 Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
    1Pe_5:10 And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.
    1Pe_5:12 By Silvanus, a faithful brother as I regard him, I have written briefly to you, exhorting and declaring that this is the true grace of God. Stand firm in it.
    2Pe_1:2 May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
    2Pe_3:18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
    2Jn_1:3 Grace, mercy, and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ the Father’s Son, in truth and love.
    Jud_1:4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
    Rev_1:4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne,
    Rev_22:21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.

    Now everyone has something to think. I suggest that you read. As one scripture jumps off the page at you read the same verse in the ESV. Then be blessed. But before I end my little session. I say to you all look at REV 22:21 will ya?
    Rev 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
    Rev 22:21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.
    To understand fully what is happening with these 2 verses were they have been taken from within the pages of the bible.
    Revelation 22:1-21

    Speaks about The New Paradise and its river of life. This is actually the exhortation of Christ for us to be ready for his second coming.

    We can come to the final conclusion in chapter 22 of Revelations that paradise was lost by the first Adam and shall be restored by the second Adam (Jesus). Within this great Paradise there will be great multitudes saved through the lamb (Jesus). Those who are apart of the great multitudes will be there forever beholding it’s great beauties. All men should labor to under all the prophecies of the things that will be coming very soon. All men should be prepared to meet Jesus face to face having embraced the salvation he has so freely given us. Also, all men should be wanting and longing for that day, that hour, that exact minute, or second when Jesus does return. When he comes don’t don’t you want to be ready for him. Don’t you want to know who he is. Don’t you want to call out to him as your friend and have him not deny knowing you. Many will call to him. Yet will they really know him? Sadly no. I want to know him- just saying.

    The key word within chapter 22 of revelations is Imminent return. Found in Rev. 22:7; 22:12; 22:20. Look them up people.

    Want me to review the facts of the chapter? I feel the tug. Okay I believe I will. Here goes.
    The bible ends here in Chapter 22. It’s emphasis is on the fidelity of salvation by the grace, the gift given freely unto us all by our Lord and Savior Jesus (Rev. 22:17). Also there’s a focus on the return of Jesus (Rev. 22:7; 22:12; 22:20).

    Break it down Barney style. Gen. Begins with creation. Revelation ends with New Creation.
    In Gen. We have the first Sabbath. Revelation closes with the holy rest in the New Creation (A.K.A. Paradise)

    Gen. We have have the first Adam who is the head of old humanity. Revelation ends giving us the second Adam who is incharge of the New Humanity.

    Gen. Gives us Eve, the wife of the first Adam, she’s sinning, condemned, and full of sorrow. Revelation ends with the 2nd Eve as the bride of Christ, exalted, holy, and glorious.
    In Gen. We have the exclusion from the tree of life. Revelation we get that access back to the tree of life and have authority over it.
    In Gen. We the earth is curse. In Revelation we have the earth completely delivered and freed from the curse!!! Praise God!
    In Gen. We are introduced to Satan tempting and bruising mankind. Revelation ends with Satan bruised and in a big ‘ole lake of fire FOREVER!!!
    In Gen. We see see the first tears and sobs. Revelation ends with all tears and sighing gone forever.
    All of you want to talk about Grace amongst yourselves. Why not ask Jesus. The Giver of Grace? Why not right now fall to your knees and repent of your sins? Go to Michael’s prayers and confessions there’s an amazing prayer there you can speak out loud.
    The great prayer of peace in the bible, and the prayer of the Bible is ‚Äú Come, Lord Jesus,‚ÄĚ and Jesus last recorded words are ‚ÄúSurely, I come quickly.Amen.‚ÄĚ I pray Jesuswill open the eyes of all of you who read this. That you will see and understand the importance of the grace that is given to us all by God threw his son Jesus. I pray that everyone of you in Jesus name will read this and your eyes will be opened to the ‚Äúblessed hope, the glorious appearing of the Great God and our Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.‚ÄĚ‚ÄĒTit_2:13.

  2. childofjesus says:

    I would also like to present my views on Grace and Repentance.
    Our God is same today, yesterday and forever – Heb. 13:8, and so is His dislike for Sin.
    1) I heard one of the preacher saying that though the people of Israel (chosen people) rebelled yet God was compassionate and continued to bless His people by providing manna, changing bitter water sweet, sending quails, etc.Yes I agree that our God is a Merciful & Compassionate God, but to fulfil the promise of ‚ÄúPromised Land‚ÄĚ, it took 40 years of wilderness, WHY??. Heb 3: 8 says ‚ÄúDo not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the desert‚ÄĚ. It was due to the hardening of the hearts that the ‚Äúfew days journey turned to be 40 years in desert‚ÄĚ. (When Jacob died in Egypt he was taken to Canaan for burial which was a 3 or 4 day trip). Heb 3:10 ‚Äútherefore I was angry with this generation, and said, ‚Äėthey always go astray in their heart,and they did not know my ways‚Äô. The Law (ten commandments) were given so that we may know His ways (HIM).
    2) When Jesus said ‚Äú It is finished‚ÄĚ(John 19:30), God made perfect and complete atonement for our sins.Now the law has been written in every heart who comes to Jesus “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel(born again in Christ) after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts.”‚ÄĒHebrews 8:10.When I accept Jesus in my life ‚ÄúI‚Äôm a New Creation‚ÄĚ (2 Cor. 5:17). He makes me a part of His Chosen people, a Royal Priesthood, a Holy Nation (1 Pet. 2:9). With all these anointing, is it right for me to go back to my old ways??
    3) Paul says, “I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do” (Rom. 7:15). We see how St.Paul struggled against sin that he calls himself ‚Äúwhat a wretched man I am‚ÄĚ. So like St Paul we ought to strife to be like Christ. No one who lives in [Jesus] keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known Him.” (1 John 3:6) “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.” (Heb. 10:26-27).
    4) If we run this race effortlessly (continue to sin and repent again & again),what kind of testimony do we give for our fellow believers specially the new believer? “And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck.(Mark 9:42)..Even this generation cannot take Sin lightly. Are we testing His patience, inviting wilderness in our life, making Him angry ??? His Mercy, Compassion, Kindness, Blessings, Love, Peace‚Ķ..Wrath surpasses all our understanding.
    5) “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men (Mathew 5:13).

    In Christ
    Shanta

  3. Kingdom Seeker says:

    Oh Yes, brethren, it is possible to throw the gift away. Adam was given authority but he gave it to satan. Saying that God will not get it from some one does not mean that one cannot loose it . Please read Jonah 2:8. It is possible for one to forfeit grace.

  4. lookinforacity says:

    Hi Michael

    You say
    “I THANK GOD for the free gift of salvation. But just because someone gives you a gift, doesn’t mean that it is impossible for you to throw it away.”

    The gift we have received from God, is not a tangible gift we can see and hold.
    You also have to take into account the giver, He Loves us, as a matter of record He Loved us before we loved Him.
    The free gift given by God is, His Grace, (Gods’ unmerited favor).
    How can we throw away Unmerited Favor, does that mean God ceases to love us?
    We are not the ones who initiated the relationship, does God then say oops’ sorry, my bad?

    Rom 11:29
    For the gifts and calling of God are (WITHOUT REPENTANCE).

    Without Repentance:
    G278
    a presumed derivative of G3338; irrevocable: – without repentance, not to be repented of.
    G3338
    From G3326 and the middle of G3199; to care afterwards, that is, regret: – repent (self).

    Some of the gifts to be found within Gods’ Grace.
    Rom 10:17
    So then (FAITH COMETH BY HEARING), and hearing by the word of God.

    2Co 7:10
    For (GODLY SORROW) worketh (REPENTANCE TO SALVATION) (NOT TO BE REPENTED OF): but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

    We have to acknowledge at some point, everything concerning our Salvation is, only by what God has done.

    Joh 6:44
    No man can come to me, (EXCEPT THE FATHER WHICH HATH SENT ME DRAW HIM): (“AND I WILL”) raise him up at the last day.

    Notice, He didn’t say I HOPE I CAN.

    Eph 2:8
    For by grace are ye (SAVED THROUGH FAITH); and that (NOT OF YOURSELVES): (IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD):

    Mat 22:14
    For many are called, but (FEW ARE CHOSEN).

    The Grace of God has as it’s foundation, HIS Love, He chose us in Him.

    Joh 3:16
    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, (THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM)(SHOULD NOT PERISH), but have everlasting life.

    Is it possible to not believe on HIM, in whom we have believed? Wouldn’t that be like un-ringing a bell?

    Joh 5:24
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and (BELIEVETH ON HIM THAT SENT ME), (HATH EVERLASTING LIFE), and (SHALL NOT COME) into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

    How does someone lose everlasting life and still remain alive?

    Doesn’t a free gift mean, WITHOUT STRINGS ATTACHED, which by definition means there are no stipulations for our keeping the gift.
    In other words, God did it all for us, because if He placed it into our hands, we would undoubtedly screw it up.

    A last question.
    Would God go through everything He has, knowing at some point in the future “WE” would walk away from it?

    Be Blessed
    JIM

    • bornagainbytheblood says:

      JIM wrote: >>Doesn’t a free gift mean, WITHOUT STRINGS ATTACHED, which by definition means there are no stipulations for our keeping the gift.< < Eternal security is conditional. It takes obedience to God's holiness and righteousness. How is this possible? Through His grace. Romans 8:13 – For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

      • lookinforacity says:

        Hi Steve

        According to the following verse, which category would you say you fall into?

        Rom 8:5
        For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

        Be Blessed
        JIM

    • I'm not necessarily going to go into this that deeply, but I will say a few things:

      God loves EVERYONE, not just us. He extends His gift of salvation to ALL, if only they knew it. This is a gift of salvation FROM SIN. The moment you despise the value of THIS, you will go off into deliberate persistent sin and you have thrown away the gift. You might pick it up again later, through repentance, but its better not to start on that track.

      Secondly, nowhere in the Bible is grace DEFINED as "God's unmerited favor". It may be unmerited favor, but this is not the actual MEANING of grace as far as I know. Only in some evangelical traditions perhaps. When we make too much of concocted unbiblical definitions we can come to false conclusions – for example, that God leaves us in a justified state no matter how much we may come to despise Him and His will for our lives.

      On gifts and callings being without repentance: this verse was given in the context of natural Israel. It certainly didn't imply that all Israelites would enter life. It just means that their special relationship status as a nation and as a people remains in certain senses.

      A person may be called to do something, but it doesn't mean they will do it. A person may be gifted by God to do something, but it doesn't mean that they will make use of the gift.

      Much of your comment here has a lot in common with Calvinism, arguments I think I have answered elsewhere in this site.

      "WE" – the corporate elect – don't walk away from salvation, but individuals within that company may well jump ship to their own eternal loss. God is still going to have a people for His name sake whether you or I choose to remain in Christ, or not!

       

      • lookinforacity says:

        Hi Michael

        You start with this statement.
        “This is a gift of salvation FROM SIN. The moment you despise the value of THIS, you will go off into deliberate persistent sin and you have thrown away the gift.”

        The throwing away of the gift as you say, is perfectly true, however I do not believe a Christian would (Despise the Gift) or (Go of in deliberate persistent sin).

        From your next statement, I see total error.
        “You might pick it up again later, through repentance, but its better not to start on that track.”

        That kind of a statement is on a par with what you say Joseph Prince is propagating.
        “Joseph Prince says turning from sin not necessary for justification or forgiveness”

        Because Paul tells us.
        Heb 10:26,27
        26) For (IF WE SIN WILFULLY) after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
        27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

        That is what is wrong with this model, “A Christian can sin, then repent again”.

        Heb 10:29
        Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

        If you say a Christian can despise the gift, then go off into deliberate consistent sin, then return to a state of grace by repentance.
        At what point then, and by what sin committed does a Christian lose their Salvation?
        What does a Christian have to finally do, to blow the gift of grace which provided his salvation, if they can return after such blatant sin?

        you say:
        “nowhere in the Bible is grace DEFINED as “God’s unmerited favor” I wholeheartedly concur with you.

        The definitions of Grace which I posted, do not portray anything to the depth to which the Christian definition does.
        “The unmerited favor of God”
        When Christians use this understanding, I believe it is because of this verse.
        Eph 2:8
        For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
        Therefore we accept the fact, The Grace of God, is totally unmerited.
        I cannot speak for what other Christians have done, but I have never applied this gift (unmerited favor) to myself as a licence to sin. I have only applied it as the gift of (Salvation), that I did not deserve, and did nothing to attain.
        It appears as though the question of Christians using Grace as grounds to continue in sin, leads us more to the question of whether a Christian can sin or not.
        Or even whether that type of person was truly ever saved.
        Does a Christian in actuality seek out ways they can continue in sin, or is it rather after our Salvation, according to our new nature, we seek the Righteousness of God.
        How can there even be the question of Christians continuing to sin after their Salvation, in light of scripture such as.

        1John 3:9
        9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

        Rom 6:1,2
        1) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
        2) God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

        We first need to understand, (“God gives this gift of His Grace to those “HE” wants”), this Grace is the Salvation of the person, chosen to receive His Grace.
        Joh 6:44
        No man can come to me, (EXCEPT THE FATHER) which hath sent me (DRAW HIM): and I will raise him up at the last day.
        Joh 6:65
        And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that (NO MAN CAN COME UNTO ME, EXCEPT IT WERE GIVEN UNTO HIM OF MY FATHER).
        Therefore does a person chosen by God, that has been drawn by God to Himself, then having been given His Gift of Grace (Salvation) by the sacrifice of His son Jesus, continue to look for, and seek out ways to keep sinning?

        When you say:
        “concocted unbiblical definitions, come to false conclusions – for example, that God leaves us in a justified state no matter how much we may come to despise Him and His will for our lives.”

        Your right, that is most definitely a false conclusion. It is also a conclusion I have never in all on my Christian walk, have ever heard someone who does use that definition ever say.

        You then say:
        “On gifts and callings being without repentance: this verse was given in the context of natural Israel.”

        Are you saying that the gifts and the calling of God are case specific?
        And the gifts and the calling to Christians He can or will repent of?

        You say:
        “A person may be called to do something, but it doesn’t mean they will do it. A person may be gifted by God to do something, but it doesn’t mean that they will make use of the gift.”

        True once again, but just because a person is given a gift to sing, or may even have a calling to preach, but does not use that gift, or does not use the gift the way God intended, does God repent of the gift and or calling and summarily take it away, leaving them in the state they were before God gifted them?

        It is difficult to not have things in common with Calvinism, owing to the fact we do use the same bible, personally I never heard of Calvinism, or Arminianism for that matter until about 2 yrs. ago. I do not adhere to either persuasion. From what I understand Calvinism bases everything upon Predestination, and Arminianism
        believes everything the Calvinists believe except the 5 points, TULIP and even at that some of the 5 points are just modified. So no I am not a proponent of either, and I do not defend their position.

        Lastly
        Heb 11:1,2
        1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
        2) For by it (THE ELDERS OBTAINED A GOOD REPORT).
        Hebrews 11:3-38
        Heb 11:39,40
        39) And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, (RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE):
        40) (GOD HAVNG PROVIDED SOME BETTER THING FOR US), (THAT THEY WITHOUT US SHOULD NOT BE MADE PERFECT).

        1Pe 1:3-5
        3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto (A LIVELY HOPE) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
        4) (TO AN INHERITANCE) incorruptible, and undefiled, and (THAT FADETH NOT AWAY), reserved in heaven for you,
        5) (WHO ARE, WHO ARE KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD) (THROUGH FAITH UNTO SALVATION) ready to be revealed in the last time.

        Be Blessed
        JIM

        • I am about to light a “fire.”

          Hebrews 10: 9-10, 12, 14, 16-17, 26-27
          9) Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

          The ‚Äúhe‚ÄĚ in verse 9 is Jesus. The word ‚Äúfirst‚Äô stands for the Old Covenant; the word ‚Äúsecond‚ÄĚ stands for the New Covenant.

          10) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].

          The words ‚Äúwhich will‚ÄĚ is talking about the New Covenant. So, what it is saying is this: By the New Covenant we are sanctified. Notice the phrase ‚Äúonce for all.‚ÄĚ This means we are ‚Äúsanctified‚ÄĚ forever.

          12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

          How many times did Jesus have to sacrifice Himself? He sacrificed Himself one time. How long does the effects of this sacrifice last? It lasts forever. That means He died for our sins forever. Sitting down at the ‚Äúright hand of God‚ÄĚ, is a sign that He completed His mission.

          14) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

          God does the perfecting. Christians cannot perfect themselves, so He does it for them.

          The sacrifice being “for ever” in its [effectiveness] needs no renewal. In the Greek, the phrase ‚Äúthem that are sanctified‚ÄĚ means ‚Äúthem that are being sanctified.‚ÄĚ The sanctification (consecration to God) of the elect believers is perfect in Christ once for all (see Hebrews 10:10). The development of that sanctification is progressive. [Hebrews 10 Study Guide by David Guzik]
          http://www.blueletterbible.org/commentaries/comm_view.cfm?AuthorID=7&contentID=3065&commInfo=6&topic=Hebrews&ar=Hbr_10_14

          16) This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

          This verse tells us that the saved person is in a covenant relationship with God. God never breaks a covenant. Instead of the law being on stone‚ÄĒwritten ‚Äúin concrete‚ÄĚ so to speak‚ÄĒit has been put in the saved person‚Äôs heart and mind. How is this accomplished? It is accomplished by the work of the Holy Spirit.

          17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

          This means that God will NO LONGER keep a record of a saved person’s sins and iniquities. These things have been atoned for by the blood of Jesus Christ. Will knowing this cause a saved person to sin? Paul sensed that this was a very real possibility, and that’s why he said what he did in Romans chapter 6. He wanted to squelch that idea. Therefore, he issued the admonition below:

          Romans 6:15-16: What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

          The next verse shows Paul‚Äôs confidence that they won‚Äôt do anything like that: ‚ÄúBut God be thanked, that ye WERE the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.‚ÄĚ [Romans 6:17] Showing a Christian that one has confidence in them will cause them to want to do right.

          23) Let us hold fast the profession of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is] faithful that promised;)

          Discouragement made them [the Hebrews] waver from the truth. [My comment: Some of them were being drawn back into Judaism.] A renewed confidence in the greatness of Jesus and in the New Covenant will make them stand strong in the faith. It is far better to trust in His faithfulness instead of ours. [Commentary on Hebrews 10 by Jamieson, Fausset & Brown]
          http://www.blueletterbible.org/commentaries/comm_view.cfm?AuthorID=2&contentID=8078&commInfo=31&topic=Hebrews

          26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

          What sin is he talking about? He‚Äôs not talking about lying, or stealing, or adultery, or anything like that. Those sins come under the Law. Christians have been taken out from under the Law by Grace. It is something far worse than that. To find out what it is, a person has to ask the following question: What is the ‚Äúknowledge of the truth‚ÄĚ? The knowledge of the truth is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If a person hears the Gospel, then knowingly and willfully rejects it, there is no other sacrifice out there that will save that person. What Christian in his or her right mind would want to reject Jesus Christ?

          So, the only thing that will send a person to hell is the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ, or the sin of unbelief. The sin of unbelief is the only sin that is not covered by Grace. All other sins are covered.

          27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

          This is what a person has to look forward to, when they reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

          Thought this might interest you.

          • Holyroller_11 says:

            there are 2 types 1st must be by the HolyGhost,2nd we then santify ourselves daily,but man cannot get the root of sin out on his own,although many deal with the struggle all their days,but there is a provision for instant santifacation as to deliverence from bondage the flesh cannot break and it is istant,

          • lookinforacity says:

            Hi Joseph

            Could you please help me in understanding your theology (doctrines), by providing the appropriate scriptures, with regard to the 2nd type of sanctification.
            1) The sanctifying of ourselves?
            2) The root of sin man cannot get out?
            3) Instant sanctification?

            How do they fit into these definitions.

            Sanctify:
            G37
            From G40; to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate: – hallow, be holy, sanctify.

            G40
            From őĪŐĒŐĀő≥őŅŌā hagos (an awful thing) compare G53, [H2282]; sacred (physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated): – (most) holy (one, thing), saint.

            G53
            From the same as G40; properly clean, that is, (figuratively) innocent, modest, perfect: – chaste, clean, pure.

            H2282
            A festival, or a victim therefor: – (solemn) feast (day), sacrifice, solemnity.

            Sanctification:
            G38
            From G37; properly purification, that is, (the state) purity; concretely (by Hebraism) a purifier: – holiness, sanctification.

            From the words Sanctify, Sanctified, Sanctification, I find that we, are sanctified by God the Father, we and are sanctified through faith in Christ Jesus, sanctified by the Holy Ghost, all of thse are Past Tense, not present, or future.
            But I do not find anywhere, that we can or do Sanctify ourselves.

            Be Blessed
            JIM

          • Holyroller_11 says:

            to clear it up 1st, the holiness movement in Martin luthers,Westley and others teaching,1st was salvation,but the sin nature of Adam remained,a second work of grace is needed to clean out the sin nature(habits addictions and such that many can not stop on their own) which is a supernatural instantaneous work by the HolyGhost.(I can testify of this myself)then the seeking of the baptism of the HolyGhost(also a supernatural experence.(I also can testify of)these are the teaching of the pentecostal teachings. which the church of God also had,after 1984 the church of God dropped the instant santification and went with progressive,(on our own)mostly for growth rather than a deeper walk. I know these things are true because if it wasn’t I would not be writing this today I would still be lost.I know because this was my salvation and with much power,not abelief only. I also have the teaching and definitions in the manuals of pentecostal and the church of God.I am aware that some don’t go this way.or they are set free from the sin nature with less effort ,and such,thats ok also.I stess this because 1st I believe it to be best,but also many are bound with things they can’t control.and few have an answer,and those often fail trying to live for God and live with the struggle everyday to leave addictions and such.causing a depressed and defeated child of God,I also wrote the articals of faith on a post.hope this explains

          • Holyroller_11 says:

            by the way Jim, I was one of those hard heads that needed to be hit by a truck to believe wholely,God sent the truck and the trailer when I spent hours in the alter ,either to be cured or call it a myth.I was cured and never been the same,also the traler was loaded,it was such a deliverence that my preacher said he’d never seen so great a deliverence.I thought I would explode before God would turn me loose!

          • Holyroller_11 says:

            This is the P.H manual, def. CLEANSING. we believe that Jesus Christ shed his blood,not alone for our justification and the forgiveness of transgressions,but also for the complete cleansing of the justified beliver from all indwelling sin and from its pollution,and that this transaction takes place subsequent to (or after)regeneration(the new birth,Acts 26;18;Ephesians 5;25-27,Titus 2;14;Hebrews 9;13,14,;10;10,14;22;13;11,the cleansing or taking away of the sin principle-the circumcision of the heart so as to make it possible for us to love the Lord our God with all our heart and soul(Deuteronomy 30;6)It is the crucifixion of the old man'(romans6;6 Ephesians 4;22-24; Galations 2;20).the destuction of the carnel mind'(romans 8;5-10)the purging of the fruit bearing branch so”that it may bring forth more fruit”(John 15;2)it is the cleansing from all sin;–from all unrighteousness(John 1;7,9 there is another chapter also from the pentecostal holiness manual 1977.

          • lookingforhope2011 says:

            I shouldn’t work nights I think too much. When I was baptized in the Holy Spirit years ago. There was no lighting or thunder. The experience of the baptism was one I thought I just accepted by faith. So as my next question. Coming from a backslidden state and rededicating my life to Jesus. I can still pray in the heavenly language I was gifted with. So did I ever really lose the Holy Spirits indwelling?

          • Holyroller_11 says:

            Only you can answer that,but when in trials,our enemy trys to plant doupt in our mind about everything,my suggestion is seek the kingdom of heaven first and everything else will fall into place. While seeking Jesus,there is victory,He knows how to keep his own.What is behind us leave it there and look forward to a new day and a new life.

          • lookinforacity says:

            Hi Brenda

            I think I will reply in two parts if you don’t mind.
            I agree with everything you have written, up to where I don’t.{:>)

            When you say
            “In the Greek, the phrase ‚Äúthem that are sanctified‚ÄĚ means ‚Äúthem that are being sanctified.‚ÄĚ The sanctification (consecration to God) of the elect believers is perfect in Christ once for all (see Hebrews 10:10). The development of that sanctification is progressive.”

            Your conclusion that
            “The development of that sanctification is progressive.” is speculative, based upon the word (being).

            This “ones being Sanctified”, can also be understood to mean, “The ones having accepted the Sacrifice”

            I believe, God predestinated us to be conformed to the image of his Son, and that the sanctification were speaking of, takes place instantaneously upon (conversion, regeneration) of our identifying with the Death and Resurrection of Christ upon Baptism. We are new creatures, Sanctified, born in Holiness, this is a Spiritual change that takes place. It becomes a completed work of the Cross, otherwise it is of works. The actual walking out of our sanctification, can only be accomplished in the flesh, the daily crucifying of the flesh, but our sanctification by Christ is not bit by bit, as we become more Holy.

            As you have stated.
            “That means He died for our sins forever. Sitting down at the ‚Äúright hand of God‚ÄĚ, is a sign that He completed His mission.”

            Sanctification is a declaration of Holiness; “We are sanctified”
            How can we be declared as Holy by God, if our sanctification is an on going process?

            Heb 10:10
            By the which will (WE ARE SANCTIFIED) through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

            Heb 10:14
            For (BY ONE OFFERING) he hath (PERFECTED FOR EVER) (THEM THAT ARE SANCTIFIED).

            That does not sound Progressive.

            G38
            From G37; properly purification, that is, (the state) purity; concretely (by Hebraism) a purifier: – holiness, sanctification.

            Be Blessed
            JIM

          • I see your point. This is the following paragraph that you took issue with.

            “In the Greek, the phrase ‚Äúthem that are sanctified‚ÄĚ means ‚Äúthem that are being sanctified.‚ÄĚ The sanctification (consecration to God) of the elect believers is perfect in Christ once for all (see Hebrews 10:10). The development of that sanctification is progressive.”

            This paragraph actually came from a commentary from www. blueletterbible.org. In English we would say ‚Äú them that are sanctified‚ÄĚ. However, in the Greek it would say ‚Äúthem that are being sanctified.‚ÄĚ I think what it means is that this sanctification has been completed, but it continues on. In other words, it never ends. For example, let‚Äôs look at Matthew 7:7.

            Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

            In the Greek, the word ASK would mean ‚Äúkeep on asking; SEEK would mean ‚Äúkeep on seeking; KNOCK would mean‚ÄĚ keep on knocking.‚ÄĚ

            You may want to check this out. I found the following at: http://www.preceptsagemont.org/GreekMoods.htm

            PERFECT TENSE

            The perfect tense expresses past completed action with presently continuing results. In John 17:10, Jesus speaks concerning His disciples “…I have been glorified in them.” “Have been glorified” is in the Greek perfect tense signifying “I have been glorified and continue to be glorified in them.”

            Does that help?

            Thanks for your input.

          • lookinforacity says:

            Hi Brenda

            I can live with that.

            This question isn’t something OUR Salvation hangs on, so it would then come down to a persons personal walk.
            I believe we are sanctified in Christ, as we are actually “IN” Christ. (Baptism).
            But as I said, “The actual walking out of our sanctification, can only be accomplished in the flesh, the daily crucifying of the flesh, but our sanctification by Christ is not bit by bit”
            Others believe we are sanctified progressively finally reaching the point of Holiness, my question to them is, what then happens to the person who dies before they have reached completed sanctification.
            Or are we to assume God keeps a person alive until that happens?

            Thanks for the answer
            Be Blessed
            JIM

          • I agree with you totally.

          • lookinforacity says:

            Hi Brenda

            I would start by saying, was the book of Hebrews written to Hebrews, or to Gentiles?
            My contention is, it was written to the Hebrews, although it is not stipulated where these Hebrew believers were, my guess would be, where the greatest concentration of Hebrew believers would be, ie, (Jerusalem) ultimately this Epistle would have been of great importance to all Hebrew believers everywhere, I am sure it was read by all of the Christian Believers both Jew and Gentile of that time, but had a greater importance to the Hebrews, because it would have been God speaking directly to them.
            Therefore we Gentiles, Christians in particular, cannot interpret this book as though it was written to us.
            The Epistle was not written to Gentile Believers, therefore we need to make an attempt at understanding what was being said to Jewish believers, that would make there Calling, and Election sure.

            Starting with vs.16

            16) This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

            You say
            “This verse tells us that the saved person is in a covenant relationship with God. God never breaks a covenant. Instead of the law being on stone‚ÄĒwritten ‚Äúin concrete‚ÄĚ so to speak‚ÄĒit has been put in the saved person‚Äôs heart and mind. How is this accomplished? It is accomplished by the work of the Holy Spirit.”

            My rebuttal:
            Heb.10:16
            This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

            These words of Paul, were intentional, to put the Hebrews into remembrance, note vs.33 in particular.

            Jer 31:31-34
            31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
            32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

            33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

            34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

            The Covenant being spoken of by Paul, was to the Jewish Nation, it would mean something different to them
            than it would, or does to Gentile believers.
            Again it was to them a fulfillment of prophesy to them, a re-establishment of the Faithfulness, and Promises of God to the Nation of Israel.

            The Rom 6 admonition, cannot be taken as an addendum to Heb 10, it was an admonition to everyone, both Hebrew and Gentile believers, but it should be noted, the Epistle was written to a Gentile Church at Rome.

            While this may sound good on paper, I don’t think it can stand on it’s own.

            “The knowledge of the truth is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If a person hears the Gospel, then knowingly and willfully rejects it, there is no other sacrifice out there that will save that person.”

            I think the only thing needing to be said would be, this Epistle to the Hebrews, was to Believers, It would be irrelevant for Paul to have spoken to them about those who reject Jesus, everyone would have known, anyone rejecting Christ were lost already. It would have been stating an obvious truth, a truth which every believer would know, because they themselves had to face that truth, and make a decision.
            I think your statement at the end says exactly the same thing.
            “What Christian in his or her right mind would want to reject Jesus Christ?”

            Vs’s 26,27 are not about non believers rejecting the message of salvation which is to be found in Christ Jesus.
            For when we read further, we come to the subject being spoken of.

            Heb 10:29
            Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

            Heb 10:32
            But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

            This admonition harkens back to another;
            Heb 6:4-6
            4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
            5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
            6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

            The whole Epistle sounds more like a plea to Jewish believers, to not return themselves under the Law.
            Remember what happened, when those that came from Jerusalem, spoke to Paul?

            Gal 2:11-16
            11) But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
            12) For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
            13) And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
            14) But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
            15) We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
            16) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

            Even the Apostles themselves were looking at Christianity, as nothing more than another (sect) of Judaism.
            They were still causing circumcision to take place, as well as the dietary laws, they apparently did not understand the full meaning of a NEW COVENANT.

            Be Blessed
            JIM

          • I understand what you are saying and you have some good insights. Here is why I said what I did about the covenant. This passage is found in Matthew chapter 26, verses 27 and 28. It is the basis for my thinking. This is about the Lord‚Äôs Supper.

            ‚ÄúAnd he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.‚ÄĚ [KJV]

            You may already know that the word TESTAMENT can be translated covenant, as the New International Version calls it. The Old Testament is the Old Covenant. The New Testament is the New Covenant. These Hebrew Christians would be under the new covenant, but as you say they were being reminded of the prophecy concerning the fact that the law would be put into their hearts. This is why I said we are in a covenant relationship with God and God never breaks a covenant.

            I wasn’t really making any reference to what you said about the book of Romans. I just threw that passage into the pot to see what would happen. Sorry.

    • lookingforhope2011 says:

      This may or not have any relevance. But the first example I will use is the old testament. Throughout the old testament Israel repented and then backslid, repented and backslid, God was merciful in that He never wiped them off the face of the earth completely. It is the same today with some believers. I have seen repentance, and then believers get complacent and then the bottom galls out. Some of us are more hard headed I guess. But Jesus will knock at the door of any persons heart if they will let him in. How many times should I forgive my brother 7? No. I tell you 70 times 7! Jesus said. I admit. GRACE is not a free pass to sin. There has to come a time in a child of Gods life where they finally wake up and get the revelation that Jesus is the only way! Me included. When my urgency is on Jesus daily and not the vicious cycle of life. I don’t become complacent. But I depend on Jesus.

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