Worried

I had a question brought to me today, one that I really did not know how to answer. I can not remember the exact wording but I understand the meaning.
There is sin in heaven. I of course laughed at that since it is supposed to be a perfect place but then the explanation came.
God is all knowing all seeing all powerful. Then why would one of his greatest angels rebel. How could it be possible. He did so thats clear. Was he stupid? I do not of course know but lets take it for no. So why would he? He knows he is going to fail right? Lets look at that, he is very old in comparison to one of us. He knows God personally and is very powerful. So that means maybe he is special but still should not be able to commit sin in a perfect place ruled by a perfect being.
This causes the problem. It is either possible that God could have been dethrowned or he was incompetent. I do not believe the former so I do not understand why he would try. Then since trying would be a sin in any view of the biblical laws how.
This is why I am stumped. Someone please give me a good answer, and no the answer because God wanted it to happen will not work and neither will it is part of his master plan. I already used those and there were very good answers to both. I need a real substantive answer please.

Thank you!

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  1. jesseedavis says:

    14But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

    15But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

    16Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
    1 Peter 3:14-16

    I think this may help you when dealing with issues like this.

  2. JustAGuy says:

    “Then why would one of his greatest angels rebel. How could it be possible. He did so thats clear. Was he stupid? I do not of course know but lets take it for no. So why would he? He knows he is going to fail right? Lets look at that, he is very old in comparison to one of us. He knows God personally and is very powerful. So that means maybe he is special but still should not be able to commit sin in a perfect place ruled by a perfect being.”

    Lets look at your friend’s reasoning for a moment. I can show you where they are building an argument on a faulty premise. They are standing on Lucifer’s side of the argument because God created Him as the pinnacle of wisdom. Of course he is not stupid, but he is not God either. God IS Love – it is not a behavioral issue, it is an identity.

    Who says a person cannot commit sin in a perfect place? Look around. Where there is prosperity there is spiritual apathy and lethargy. For us and Lucifer, obedience is a choice.

    Look at Solomon now. He asked for wisdom and was the wisest. That coupled with the prosperity of the Kingdom did not keep him from rebelling. As King, he was to write the first five books of the Bible out by hand – they said do not mulitply wives and horses when you are king. Did Solomon obey. No. Did that mean God was evil, or cruel to Solomon? No. Solomon chose poorly – not listening to the wisdom of God.

    Solomon’s heart was lifted up, as was Lucifer’s. So God is now at fault for blessing them? What does your friend want God to do? This logic is a ‘damned if you do and damned if you don’t logic’ which makes it totally illogical. If God blesses, then He becomes responsible for our forsaking Him? That would be foolishness, and that is the basis of the argument posed to you – foolishness.

    Blessings and Peace,
    Timothy

  3. memphis says:

    Lucifer was perfect in beauty and had the seal of perfection. He was “blameless in his ways from the day he was created until unrighteousness was found in him.” (Ezekiel 28)

    “By the abundance of your trade, you were internally filled with violence. Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty.” Lucifer was so beautiful that Pride got the better of him. He was all bejeweled and full of wisdom and splendor. Pride is a very scary thing.

    The bible says that Sin was found in him. God created the angels with true free choice. He doesn’t force anyone to worship or obey Him. I think that’s partly why we’re here – to learn that God’s ways are best. We’ll have learned this lesson so well during this life that we won’t be tempted to rebel in heaven like Lucifer and some of the angels did.

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