Who is the wh0re of Babylon???

I urge all who read this to refrain from debates?

I have asked this question once before and I recieved interesting responses. My question is simple as it is stated above; Who is the Whore of Babylon?

Many people who claim the Name of the Lord seek the identity of the Anti-Christ. But I believe it would be much more effective if we went to see who this Babylon Whore is.

Please do respond?

What do YOU think?

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  1. warrior daughter says:

    I think we are wasting to much time trying to figure out just who the whore is and others from the Book of Revelation…This Book was included in the Bible for prophecy and it is yet to come and we do not need to be stuck in this Book trying to figure out just who is who…We do know that we have many different beliefs about Revelation …We do not know when these prophecies will be fulfilled but we must be ready at all times for their fulfillment….The bottom line is that Jesus Christ came into our heart and changed us and continues to change us and He desires above all else that we take the GOOD NEWS that JESUS CHRIST SAVES and HIS BLOOD WASHES WHITER THAN SNOW to those who do not know this….

    • Amen sister. I once had a man explain that he watched trash television shows to see how depraved everyone else was. It was part of his “watching” the end times unfold. His life told me otherwise.

      Mat 24:42-44 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

      We are to be watching our own hearts, motives and deeds because when all is said and done all will be surprised at His coming. If we are not doing the work we are called to do, the surprise will be tragic.

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      Tim

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  2. All I’m saying is, no where (to my knowledge) in the bible is there a reference to the west, past present or future. When I hear words like Whore of Babylon then hear the Statue of Liberty or George Bush I can’t swallow one word of it. When you say “Why would North America be mentioned when it was not inhabited?” Exactly! Except for one thing, science proves people were here as long ago as 10,000 years. We agree then that the USA is not part of the tribulation? America is packed with evangelicals lead by a born again Christian as is the Queen and Tony Blair(if the rumor mill is accurate). Hardly seems possible- Manessah Ephraim.

    In fact as I reread the entire post I may have misinterpreted your title: America = Manessah? British Commonwealth = Ephraim? as trying to point in that direction, or questioning the idea?

    I agree with Kenneth’s post. Do right and don’t worry about it.

    None the less, Merry Christmas to all.

    • You are right. I do not stake anything eternal on that question. I grew up in a church that taught that point very well and I have not gotten past the pivitol logic of the prophecies in Genesis. It is my ‘best guess’ at who we are, but I do bring it to the table looking with open eyes that it may be incorrect. In which case I put my best arguments together for it and await the dismantling. If I am wrong I have more personally to gain than if I am already right. Why, because I come seeking truth, not selling it in this discussion.

      Blessings and peace to you and Kenneth. We are who we are and if it is in Christ, we have trumped our genetics!! Praise Him!!

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      Tim

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  3. kennethleenorth says:

    I think you might ask yourself first, what is a whore, and you are correct in stating that this subject is best not debated. Why waste time on a subject about something which leads to nothingness except to state that perhaps the lesson of Hosea’s whore still applies today. Go to Ezekial 16:33 and you will see a great whore. I prefer to not dwell on the past or the future except to see that hungry mouths are fed. The past and future are like two wings with which we navigate the present. Do not dwell on prophecy, but on doing right. Prophecy is the best friend of superstition.

  4. eehh sorry, Tim, I don’t buy it- America is Mannaseh ‘which means causing to forget’. I think thats a metaphor which could mean any country or even the whole world. I’d call it slightly reckless to go throwing around anyone’s name (on that particular point)

    The subject reminds me of people who swear the tribulation has come and past. And since when have we seen an army of 240 million assembled on horseback at Meggido, in written history? Certain things have to take place first before we know more. I gotta go home, but maybe I’ll get a chance to research some more.

    • Brian, Would you choose one ancillary comment to discard the heart of the question on the table? Who are these sons in these last days then? I used the meaning of the name as a mere point of interest. Granted, you are right – of itself it is meaningless. Here is the question I raised.

      If you do not agree, then I respectfully put this for conjecture. Who do you believe today is accurately described in the promises to Ephraim and Manasseh?

      I enjoyed your post on “As an American….” Do you have an opinion on who these could be today?

      PS – I added more to the previous post regarding the question being addressed in this thread; namely ‘who is the whore of Babylon?’

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      Tim

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      • Tim, he he, thats a little baited but ok. Anything East of Rome would fit the bill. Could be Israel, Iraq, Syria, or Iran right now. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Bin Laden might as well have the mark of the beast on their heads today don’t you think? Babylon is literally located at the center of all that mess. While Christians have sure made every effort to get a foot hold on the middle east, what happens to them each time?

        If I recall right, the bible either never does, or rarely ever refers to the world west past Rome. So why folks would think for a minute the USA is any kind of player in prophecy bewilders me. And again sorry to inform my fellow Americans and their ultra ego but we haven’t got a spot in the bible, except as disciples and followers. I think the Christians of the western free world get to sit this one out.

        • Brian,

          When the bait is a clear scripture stating what the nations stemming from Jacob will be in the last days, I think that is fair bait. You have to realize that Rome at the time of the NT was in control of Europe and so to include Rome in scripture is to include its territories that extended to the British Isles.

          Why would North America be mentioned when it was not inhabited?

          Israel is one nation, and it is Jewish, ‘coming from the name Judah’. Ephraim is to be a distinct multitude of nations, so it cannot be Israel. Manasseh is to be a great nation. None of the countries east of Rome fit that pic. For ‘great’ you would have to go with India, China, or Russia. India is a different racial makeup.

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          Tim

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          http://www.perfectinglove.com

          • kennethleenorth says:

            There is physical evidence of cultures existing in North America more than two thousand years ago. It has now only been about 2000 years since the New Testament age began.

            Those who walk in superstition might be made to believe a lie, but those who walk in faith have the sword of truth as their weapon. Pastor_Tim, please revise your message for it is garbled and lacking in the ability to convey understanding.

            By their fruits you shall know them. Who is producing goods and who is buying the goods of the world? And if the old branches have been broken off and new branches grafted in, then there is no longer Judah or Ephraim or Manasseh. Tell me, what nation has the world’s tallest building yet has no industry and makes nothing? Tell me, what part of the world has been conquered more than any other area, if effect, having no husband but many lovers?

            In a walk with Christ you can by faith walk in truth and not in Superstition.

          • Pastor_Tim says:

            You are right, my message was garbled. Leave that to a Dad who was on the pc too close to church time. I didn’t realize the time and when I did, I hit the ‘submit post’ button without filling out the thought or revising it!

            You are correct on the Incas and Mayans and others who were in business at the time. I was totally off on that point. Still, I believe prophecy is true for today and if Jacob said this is what will become of you in the last days, it is so. The Bible is written as a Hebrew-centered piece of literature, not a geographical piece of literature.

            I agree with you. Prophecy is something that is written to explain the majesty and foresight of God – in our hindsight. This is to say we don’t really know what it is about until after the fact. In the case of Jesus and the road to Emmaus, He had to explain it to them even after it was fulfilled. It is at that time that all comes alive and we gain a deeper appreciation for our God who names the end from the beginning.

            With that in mind, I am NOT trying to shove anything down anyone’s throat, but am merely engaging our brains on the topic. If you care to ignore the topic I do not think it damns your soul or makes you less Christian.

            You are referencing the vital [living] importance of the transfer of God’s kingdom from the earthly promises to the spiritual ones. It is important that we all be grafted into the spiritual vine in humility. This however does not address the topic of the physical descendants. Did the tribe of Judah die when the church was born? Of course not. Did the other eleven tribes die? No. Hence the question. In light of Jacob’s prophecy for national greatness, where are they today?

            Am I correct that your answer is they are no longer around?
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            Tim

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            http://www.perfectinglove.com

          • kennethleenorth says:

            My recorded ancestry goes back at least 16 generations through Jamestown Virginia and its original colonists. One part of my ancestry starts it’s written record in Tennessee with no traces farther back to say whether or not it is native american, jewish, african, european. I will say that according the hospital doctors and to my parent, I am of the planet earth. If the Bible was not of the spirit, then what good is a spiritual vine? The faith of Abraham was seen with the physical manifestation that his son was still alive when he came home. Yet in service to his superstition he sacrificed the animal. Christ did not sacrifice himself for his own sins, but for ours, to put an end to our service to superstition. That is true sacrifice. I am not a DNA analysist but with global dispersal of the seed of Isaac and Jacob, there is more than a slim chance that a large portion of the world’s population carries the seed of Abraham.

  5. As an American I honestly don’t take offense to this post. I say this because the bible only ever refers to Asia/Asia minor, in Revelation. And I wouldn’t be surprised in Jesus was speaking about the Catholic Church when he refers to the world church led by satan in disguise. Then again not one of us really does know for sure, do we? Who are we to judge? Additionally Jesus says to have your life in order for his return. He never mentions what church you need to belong to other than his (The Gospel).

    Secondly, a great American Evangelical named Woodrow Kroll points out in his broadcast that he hates to inform the American ego but we aren’t included in the the book of Revelation.

    Third, if you wikipedia “The whore of Babylon”, the Catholic church seems to dominate the list with America only being mentioned once pulling an 11th place spot on the list.

    • The best I can make out is that the prophesy of Jacob to his sons of what shall befall them ‘in the last days’ is true.

      Gen 49:1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.
      Gen 49:2 Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your father.

      This being so, he conferred a blessing on the sons of Joseph, who is fruitful’

      Gen 49:22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:
      Gen 49:23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
      Gen 49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)
      Gen 49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
      Gen 49:26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

      In these last days, is Israel fruitful? Only in produce, not progeny. Joseph was blessed independently of Judah.

      Gen 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall
      praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father’s children shall bow down before thee.

      The modern state of Israel has its hand in the necks of its enemies. They hate Israel, but are powerless to fulfill their hatred. Is it any wonder the Americans and British have been their chief alliance and have upheld their brother?

      Notice the blessing conferred to Manasseh and Ephraim, Joseph’s sons. This is how the blessing on Joseph’s fruitful portion would be established ‘in the last days.’

      First, note this….

      Gen 48:5 And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine.
      Gen 48:6 And thy issue, which thou begettest after them, shall be thine, and shall be called after the name of their brethren in their inheritance.

      These boys were given the inheritance of sons, not grandsons. Hence the fact there were virtually three tribes one of Ephraim and two ‘half tribes’ of Mannaseh in the promised land – rather than one tribe of Joseph.

      Now notice this…

      Gen 48:17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father’s hand, to remove it from Ephraim’s head unto Manasseh’s head.
      Gen 48:18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
      Gen 48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

      IF God is true…

      In these last days we have one great nation and one prosperous ‘multitude of nations.’ The children of Joseph are not contained in one nation state today. So, who are they? I believe America is Mannaseh ‘which means causing to forget’. Have we forgotten our God? I believe the British Empire was the explosion of Joseph’s fruitfulness in these last days. If you do not agree, then I respectfully put this for conjecture. Who do you believe today is accurately described in the promises to Ephraim and Manasseh?

      All this is said as a backdrop to the discussion at hand. It fits in with this discussion because I believe the European states are the fulfillment of the two legs in the prophetic statue of Daniel which went from the Babylonian kingdom down through the Roman Empire. The whore of Babylon I would be inclined to say points to the religious system that rules out of the inheritance it received from ancient Babylonian mystery religion. This would be the Catholic church.

      Having stated that, God’s eyes are on us as individuals and we have all gone whoring and gone astray unless and until we repent. There are children of God in many churches, including the RC church, so I do not judge Catholics as being evil. I believe the system is, but that there are saints in their midst. You will find saints in every church written in Revelation chapters 2-3. We all must stand alone before God and answer. I will answer for myself, not anyone else. They will give account, and we may all be surprised at who fits where in God’s merciful and loving eternal plan.

      Its an interesting discourse, isn’t it?

      Shalom,
      Tim

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  6. corinahalle says:

    I think the Whore is the Vatican City/Roman Catholic Church.
    It is said the woman is the whore and the seven heads of the beast are the seven mountains it is located on. This woman is mentioned as te mystery Babylon. Vatican city is situated on the seven hills —- Mystery Babylon (Rev17:18,19)

    Babylon is a code word for Rome. Even in Acts Peter refers to Rome as Babylon. It is used that way six times in the last book of the Bible [four of the six are in chapters 17 and 18] and in extra-biblical works such as Syblling Oracles (5, 159f.), and Apocalypse of Baruch (ii, 1), and 4 Esdras (3:1).

    Her pope enthroned in Rome claims to be the exclusive representative of God, the Vicar of Christ. Rome is the headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church, and in that too she is unique.

    Roman Church slaughtered Jews by the thousands–more than pagan Rome ever did. Many Christians were charged as heretics and martyred for Church. She is drunk with the blood of saints it is said in the Revelation Chapter.

    John provides many characteristics to limit the identification to Rome alone.

  7. By the grace of the Lord, I discovered this important event into the book of Revelation, and the book of Ezechiel confirms it. I can tell you more about it. It’s long to explain, so I will explain it only if you are interested. Time is precious. And I don’t want to waste it.

    The ancient Jerusalem killed many prophets, and killed even our Lord Jesus Himself. The last two prophets will be killed in Jerusalem too,”where our Lord was crucified”.
    Elijah will be one of them, at the end of time,
    before “the great and dreadful day of the Lord”.

    The ancient Jerusalem is corrupted, but the Lord will cleanse the ancient Jerusalem, and make it totally new and holy.

    Jerusalem will not be a whore anymore before God,

    but the new Jerusalem will be His bride forever.

    Amen

    Maliki

    • from the wind says:

      But if this is so, America would have to be the Beast. For the Beast is the only Nation laying a reknowned claim on ancient Jerusalem. Or perhaps ancient Jerusalem and America are one? Seriously, this is something that requires much thought and understaning.

      • By the grace of the Lord, I am sure it is.
        Because apart from the children of God,
        all who dwell on the earth (America included) will worship the beast.

        ” 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
        5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”

        Revelation 13:4-8 ( NKJV )

        But the KING of Kings and LORD of Lords will overcome the beast and the kings of the earth ( America included ) and their armies.

        ” Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

        KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

        17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”
        19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.”

        Revelation 19:11-21 ( NKJV )

        At the end of time, a real red dragon and a real first beast will come out of the deep of the ocean. A real second beast will come out of the deep of the earth. The dragon is the same serpent ( rightly named “serpent of old” ) who tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. He secretely lives in the deep of the ocean, and he is still possessed by Satan. The dragon is not a legend. But our Lord Jesus will overcome him forever with “His severe sword, great and strong” in His great and dreadful day.

        “19 Your dead shall live;
        Together with my dead body they shall arise.
        Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;
        For your dew is like the dew of herbs,
        And the earth shall cast out the dead.
        20 Come, my people, enter your chambers,
        And shut your doors behind you;
        Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
        Until the indignation is past.
        21 For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
        To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
        The earth will also disclose her blood,
        And will no more cover her slain.

        1 In that day the LORD with His severe sword, great and strong,
        Will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent,
        Leviathan that twisted serpent;
        And He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.”

        Isaiah 26:19-21 + 27:1 ( NKJV )

        I did many researches to know that, and it’s long to explain.
        If you want more explanations of what I discovered based on the Word, please ask me for that.

        Maliki

    • lookinforacity says:

      Maliki,—YOU are Right on !!
      I have found the same thing in my own study of the question, and there isnt anything more for me to add, to your statement. EXCEPT, Why is it so important to us as Christians, to know at this time, the answers to who is the Anti Christ, who is the Whore, and such like. We spend more time worrying about these things, that we neglect the most important things. It says that no one knows the time, or the hour that God has put into his own hand, when it is needful for us to know the answers to all of thes questions, I can assure you, God will make it clear to us when it is most important for us to know.
      I was born again in 1968, since that time I have heard all of the theories as to who it might be. All the way from The Pope, to Henery Kissenger. Dont waste your time studying and worring about it, when it is time to know, we will all know!

  8. michael says:

    I don’t know for sure the answer to this question, though I’ve read some pretty good theories.

    Perhaps it is:

    The Roman Catholic church?

    All corrupt and fallen church systems?

    The institutional church of America? (If America is Babylon).

    • from the wind says:

      Well I will tell you this… In all truth if you study this thing directly and in Spirit you will find that the Whore of Babylon is the Statue of Liberty.

      • fishiigoroar says:

        LoL XD i have heard it was the Roman Catholic system aswell. It is interestin that it could be the Statue of Liberty ! haha when i know more about the Bible then i’ll begin to search for answers for these questions XD too !

        • I heard that it may be the United States.

          The Anti Christ will be the one to head Rome II which is the EU and could be the next Pope.

          This still leaves the False Prophet who will instill peace amongst the Middle East.

          • from the wind says:

            The one you would be referring to would be Islams Mahdi. They believe that a great man will come and bring them peace for 7 years. But it could be that the Anti-Christ and False Prophet are one in the same. For a mahdi is a name for a convert in other words an outsider. So it is possible that the False Prophet is the Anti-Christ.

          • thesparrow says:

            Only ideas that have come more or less from the top of my head. I am not a Bible Scholar. I won’t even try to give a definite answer.

            Don’t know if any one else realized this—look at who 3 candidates for president are. One is a mUslim; one is a Mormon and one a Catholic. All with false beliefs.

            The Mormon denies that he is trying to push his faith. Muslims want to change everyone into a Muslim. I was catholic and taught that only Catholics would go to heaven.

            The Catholics worship Mary but in my eyes she can’t possibly be the Mother of Jesus. She is put on a pedestal and it is claimed she would be co ruler with Jesus. Only Jesus will reign.Also she was considered to be a mediator between God and man. Jesus is the ONLY mediator.

            Draw your own conclusions about what is happening. I have heard all the other theories. I read about Jerusalem mentioned as the whore of Babylon. Statue of Liberty??? could be America.

            God is the only one who has the answer. Maybe He doesn’t want us to know. God has it all figured out. We don’t have to.!!! Praise the Lord.

          • from the wind says:

            Perhaps it is meant for us not to know entirely. Because it is written no one knows the day or the hour not even the Son only the Father in Heaven.

            This is propably something I should have recognized, but Barack Obama is a Muslim? I now have to seek God on these matters.

          • I read an email circular stating that he was a muslim. He was educated in Indonesia, which is a muslim nation. But apparently he is also a member of some rather liberal Christian denomination in America. At least he spoke at one of their conventions and they claimed him as one of their own. So it was claimed on CNN or some such site.

            He says he sees faith as a way to get the people of the world together.

            I don’t think he really believes religion is anything except to a means to political ends.

            He is definitely against invading all these muslims nations. I think he is right on that count. We don’t win spiritual battles through bombs and tanks. Read 2 Corinthians 10:3.

          • “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.”
            Deuteronomy 29:29

            The knowledge of the Word is not to be despised,
            for it is by the Word of God we live, we love, and we rejoice.
            Jesus is the Word of God. ( See Revelation 19:13 )

            “6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
            Because you have rejected knowledge,
            I also will reject you from being priest for Me;
            Because you have forgotten the law of your God,
            I also will forget your children.”
            Hosea 4:6

            “Do not despise prophecies.”
            1 Thessalonians 5:20

            “When your words came, I ate them; they were my joy and my heart’s delight, for I bear your name, O LORD God Almighty.”
            Jeremiah 15:16

            “5”I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you.”

            John 15:5-7

            “25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?””

            John 11:25-26

            Maliki

      • fishiigoroar says:

        LoL XD i have heard it was the Roman Catholic system aswell. It is interestin that it could be the Statue of Liberty ! haha when i know more about the Bible then i’ll begin to search for answers for these questions XD too !

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