WARNING TO CHRISTIANS: The Great Apostacy of Narnia!

Dear friends, family, and pastors,

 

Thursday evening I was reading a "Christian" news article that was excited about the release of "The Dawn Treader".  They were upset that the lead actor who is the voice of Aslan stated that he viewed the role not as a Christ role but as a mentor or guide role such as Buddha or Mohamed might also fulfill. They had a reader poll on this, but the poll only gave three options as to why readers thought this guy was essentially 'out to lunch'. None of the options stated, "I agree" with his assessment.  I emailed them and then posted a warning on Facebook. These movies are flat out evil and demonic. C.S. Lewis was a philosopher more than a Christian, despite his pedigree and honored status in the dying churches of the west.

 

Prince Caspian and "The Dawn Treader" are spiritual poison. Jesus is not Aslan, and Aslan is NOT Jesus! Read the following quotes (two of too many to use) from Prince Caspian and judge for yourself:

 

"…the girls had waked to see Aslan standing over them and to hear his voice saying, 'We will make holiday.' … Bacchus [the Roman god of wine, madness and debauchery] and the Maenads—his fierce, madcap girls—and Silenus were still with them…. Everyone was awake, everyone was laughing, flutes were playing, cymbals clashing."[1,p.277] Prince Caspian

 

"…all night Aslan and the Moon gazed upon each other with joyful and unblinking eyes." [1,p.283, The Complete Chronicles of Narnia]

 

Does Jesus have fellowship with pagan deities, whom the Bible labels as devils? Does he call to order their lust-filled festivals? If so, then Aslan is Jesus! If not, who the devil are you opening your mind and heart to?

 

Does a holy and righteous God, who has made Himself abundantly clear about his hatred for witchcraft, etc. want us to open the pathway to curious arts… to our children? Does He who says, "I will set no wicked thing before my eyes," desire that we watch a vivid technicolor, dolby enhanced rendering of these things clearly designed to transport us into another world?

 

Deu 18:9-15 "When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

 

"For ALL THAT DO THESE THINGS* are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. THOU SHALL BE PERFECT** with the LORD thy God. For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, THE LORD THY GOD HAS NOT SUFFERED THEE SO TO DO.***"

 

*ALL means no exceptions. Aslan does these things and partakes in them and answers when the children call using magic horns and such. Therefore Aslan himself is an abomination to the Lord.

 

**THOU means "you" and it means me, who is a "you" to God who wrote this. SHALL BE PERFECT means spotless. In this context it means we are commanded to remove these abominations afore listed from our lives and not be soiled by them. We cannot set them before our eyes as "entertainment" and not have them go into our hearts and minds – this is confusion, and God is not the author of confusion. "I will set no wicked thing before my eyes…"

 

*** God does not suffer (allow) us to do this under any circumstance. We simply do not have HIS permission. My children have all kinds of good reasons why there is nothing wrong with doing certain things, but when I say they do not have my permission, all of their reasons turn to rebellion if they persist.

 

Verse 15 states, "The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;"

 

Jesus Christ is that Prophet. He came to confirm this word. It is unto HIM we shall listen, not Aslan. The God who wrote "this is an abomination" was sending a Prophet who represents Him and thus represents His Holy hatred for the things Lewis uses to 'preach the gospel,' if indeed that was Lewis' intent in the Narnia series. If that was Lewis' intent, it is a false gospel indeed. As such it is accursed as Paul has spoken, for the Gospel according to Aslan is that of universalism, which Lewis himself believed in real life…

 

"Lewis dedicated his autobiography (“Surprised by Joy”) to Bede Griffiths, a former student of his who became a long-time friend. Griffiths founded a “Christian ashram” in India. He said that Hindu temples are a “sacrament.” And he(Lewis) said, “No one can say in the proper sense that the Hindu, the Buddhist or the Muslim is an ‘unbeliever.’ I would say rather that we have to recognize him as our brother in Christ.”  In this, the Voice of Aslan, Liam Neeson, is TRUE in his interpretation of the heart of C.S. Lewis.

 

How BLIND are we that we overlook the obvious? Witches are evil… always. Half man/ half beast are the stuff pagan legends (not Christian ones) are made of. Children blowing mystical horns to summons Aslan from afar? Spells? Mystical seers? Another obvious is Why is Disney (the Magic Kingdom) the one promoting this?

 

When I believe God needs the devil's kingdom to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I will cease being a Christian. My God has FULLY equipped His Church to preach the Gospel with signs and wonders following. Narnia has made a mockery of the decaying church in America who sells White Witches of all things to promote their ministries! They cling to Narnia and pee on this mystical movie to anoint it as 'Christian' as though they do not have enough spiritual resources in the form of Divine Scripture and the Holy Spirit to win the world to Christ!

 

My brothers and sisters, this is a grievous sin and a stench in God's nostrils. This is not about me and my interpretations of anything. This is about as clear cut as it gets in God's Word. I beg you to read the following links and bring them to the Lord in prayer. We have missed it BIG TIME!  Let's repent and take a stand before we hand our children off to fantasies that lay them open to demonic assault and the pursuit of Harry Potter's world. Many churches have advocates in their midst for the Narnia series. I believe it is the Pastor's place to draw a clear line here for their churches. There is GREAT DANGER in Narnia. God has warned and he will not overlook this. We must not give place to the devil, for he will most assuredly use it to bewitch us further.

 

May God grant us repentance to the acknowledging of the truth, that we may escape ourselves from the snare of the devil.

 

Sincerely, Tim

 

P.S. – It will take less time to read these links in their entirety than it will take to watch one of these movies. Please do so before you allow your family or congregations to see such things. If we feel the need for a Christian allegory, then let's read "Pilgrim's Progress" to our children.

 

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/08/caspian-4.htm

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/narnia.htm

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/narnia-2.htm

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/narnia-3.htm

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  1. MelodyCat says:

    The problem with the Narnia series of fiction books is what people make out of them not the books themselves.

    A piece of wood is a piece of wood the Old Testament says. The person takes half of it and burns it up to make a meal and then fashions the other half into a dumb and mute idol. See the scripture at the end of this post.

    Is the piece of wood sinful? Of course not. The person who makes it into an idol is the one who is sinning.

    It is the same with Aslan in the Narnia books. C S Lewis was not quoting scripture or trying to equate his books with the Bible. They were children’s fantasy fiction. Where C S Lewis decided to give the Lion, the Keeper of Narnia charater traits like Christ. By giving the Lion Christ Like character he was extoling the virtues of Christ.

    So many people make the stories to be a gospel. They are not a gospel nor should they be ever used in that way. Aslan has good qualities like Christ and that makes him fairly unique as a fiction character. Most gods or leaders in fiction are not selfless or good they are either pure evil or based on sinful man.

    The only thing I take from these kids stories is for once there is a model of kingship that is more like Jesus. Christian parents should be clearly teaching their children the difference between fiction that dipicts a character with Christlike qualities and that of the true story of God’s Son Jesus Christ who did come to our earth and lived and died here for the salvation of mankind.

    The Narnia books were never meant to be a Bible Study for kids only good clean fiction adventure stories kids could enjoy. After all kids need a bit of fiction or fantasy and if you remove Narnia books from that what do you have. Have you looked at kids books today. Seriously, take the time to go to a Bookstore and pick up some children’s readers and you will find kids early readers with a little girl who proudly announces she has two mummies. Buy a couple of popular teen fiction novels and if the characters aren’t dating and thinking about having sex, it’s all about violence and/or occultic stuff.

    You can’t compeletely cut your kids off from every form of fiction book, movie or magazine. At least help them find stuff that is based on Godly morals even if it is flawed. My girls are now adults but I got them videos (back then we didn’t have DVDs yet) of Black Beauty and Anne of Green Gables. They read a lot back then so I found them lots of good stuff I have read. I can’t remember titles but one was a teen girl detective series. Of course the classic “Little Women”. Lots of good books and movies if you look around.

    Don’t write off the Narnia stories because of the Aslan character. Educate your kids about Jesus instead and make sure they know the difference between Christian based fictional characters and God’s Son. After all they could be reading or watching far worse stuff like Twilight or Harry Potter instead.

    Cheers
    MelC

    ISA 44:14 He cut down cedars, or perhaps took a cypress or oak. He let it grow among the trees of the forest, or planted a pine, and the rain made it grow.

    ISA 44:15 It is man’s fuel for burning; some of it he takes and warms himself, he kindles a fire and bakes bread. But he also fashions a god and worships it; he makes an idol and bows down to it.

    ISA 44:16 Half of the wood he burns in the fire; over it he prepares his meal, he roasts his meat and eats his fill. He also warms himself and says, “Ah! I am warm; I see the fire.”

    ISA 44:17 From the rest he makes a god, his idol; he bows down to it and worships. He prays to it and says, “Save me; you are my god.”

    ISA 44:18 They know nothing, they understand nothing; their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see, and their minds closed so they cannot understand.

    ISA 44:19 No one stops to think, no one has the knowledge or understanding to say, “Half of it I used for fuel; I even baked bread over its coals, I roasted meat and I ate. Shall I make a detestable thing from what is left? Shall I bow down to a block of wood?”

    • Well put, Melody!!

    • Timothy Luke says:

      Melody, the problem with Narnia is that it is the glorification of Satan's kingdom. Why do Christians "entertain" themselves by watching things that are demonic?

      The heart of God is that He loves man. Satan hates mankind and is sworn to 'kill, steal, and destroy' as much as he can. When we look at God's heart, we see he loves us and hates evil. He has a revulsion toward it.

      Why do we think we are so mature that we can watch a film or read books that promote the kingdom of Satan as being good and evil? Satan's kingdom is evil. Aslan is EVIL. Any being that calls to order feasts with Bacchus hosting it, any being that can be conjured up with spells, and magic horns, etc. is NOT GOD.

      Yet they ARE gods.

      "You shall have no other gods before me," is broken when we place these things before our eyes. This is not mere wood and stones, these are evil spirits masquerading as 'good' in comparison with their 'evil' companions. White magic is the introduction to black magic… plain and simple.

      Then there is the message of Narnia… We get our children (and ourselves) following this works of C.S.Lewis, and are so taken in by the magic of it all, that when he concludes his Chronicles, in "The Last Battle" with Aslan saying, "come into my kingdom' to one who worshipped a false, and evil god, Tash!!

      HELLO CHURCH!! Have we made such a god out of entertaining our imaginations that what God says does not apply anymore? We are selling ourselves and our children to the god of Harry Potter and the god who kills Christians each and every day. There is no white magic. There is no permission for Christians to view these things.

      When we walk outside of God's clear word and somehow think we are discerning Christians, we have opened ourselves to delusion and the invasion of evil that will manifest in ways we do not know, nor will be able to tie back to the open door.

      Scripture is saying, "do not fear" these idols… not so that we keep them in our homes as trinkets, but for the express purpose of not being able to destroy them!

      To carry on with your verses, here is the point of them…

      Isa 44:24  "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

      Aslan, Narnia, et al, are contrary to the Word of God clearly written here. They entertain a false god who is credited with what God alone has done…. Created all that is. This is blasphemy and it is SIN. Repent and turn from it one and all!

      • warrior daughter says:

        People who are redeemed by the precious Blood of Jesus, stop defending the writings of a man who led people astray & away from the cross.

        What do we do with the verses in the Word of God that tell us to have nothing to do with the works of darkness but rather expose them. (Ephesians 5:11) Or is God telling us that we can toy with the works of darkness???The word nothing means exactly that nothing.. Do we start editing the Word, & take out those verses that clearly show us that what we want to do is a turn off to the wide road to destruction??? (Matthew 7:13,14) Then again do we ignore the verse that says I will set nothing wicked before my eyes??? (Psalm 101) God tells us that there is a way that seems ok for us but in the end is death. (Proverbs 14:12)

        For you were once darkness but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light. Ephesians 5:8

    • Melody, I think I mentioned before that your post was very well put. My wife and I are raising our daughters (14 and 11 years old). My daughters are confident and well versed in faith and in the Word of God, and clearly know the difference between fantasy and truth, though they watched sleeping beauty, Snow White, and enjoyed Star Wars, Pirates of the Caribbean and Narnia. I was delivered from that religious spirit when my kids were very young (Thank God!) I used to preach against everything from Santa Claus and the Easter bunny, to Catholics and Christmas trees!! (Imagine wasting mine and God's time with such foolishness)

      That's why many pastor's kids grow up weird and warped, and then they rebel when they get older because God never intended them to live under such bondage. And Michael, it's too bad that your church didn't demonstrate the power of God, but that problem is quite rampant, of course.

      With all due respect, I would have to say that your need for deliverance came more from an absence of truth, rather than the presence of Narnia. Truth and light expel darkness, and I understand that there is a line (I don't watch Harry Potter), but if we are armed with truth, there is a whole lot less that we would have to run from, and a whole lot more that we can enjoy!

      I've taught diligently, the truth to my children, and now they have the ability to discern. They can discern these things themselves most of the time, and are not bound by a bunch of legalistic rules that drive them into the arms of the world. They are able to know why certain music is not good, and then they make the right choice because they want to, and have knowledge. In fact, they started using the Word of God themselves from a young age.

      (No, I told them the truth about Santa Claus) (Just in case the question popped into your mind!)  

  2. deborahknight20 says:

    I grew up reading Enid Blyton fairy stories about witches and elves, read all the Narnia books Lord of the Rings, George Mcdonlald, Mervyn Peake etc etc, and It made no difference to my getting saved or influenced me in any way with regards to differenciating between fantasy, illusions and the truth that is God.
    I know if God wants you He is more than capable of getting to you.
    If some one wants the real truth within, they will get it, and traps won’t stop them.God planted eternity in mens hearts and it is a journey to get there.
    I have read CS Lewis and some of his work makes great sense.
    The problem is with the weak wishy washy Christans, not the “ascent” of the occult which has been prolific throughout all generations.
    If we all were walking in the power of the Holy Spirit and the men who love to parade as pastors did their job no one would even look at this stuff.
    People are led astray by their desires, and if it isn’t one thing it is another.
    I am far more concerned with child abuse than quibbling over Harry Potter. Wake up.

  3. Let me first of all make it clear – I am AGAINST the Narnia and Harry Potter series’s (By conviction of the Holy Spirit that it grieves God). The concern here is striving in the flesh to try and please God (own intellect, own wisdom, own understanding, trying to figure out what pleases God and is acceptable to Him by our flesh and natural ability), turning to the law as a means of righteousness, and not depending on the Holy Spirit.

    I don’t think I’m doing too well to get my point across so rather wanted to quote an excerpt from Derek Prince on the matter only because I find it expresses what I’m trying to put across well. Here goes.

    ‘What is the basic error in legalism? This is important because the basic error is a serious one. The basic error is rejecting the Holy Spirit. We no longer rely on the Spirit of God … My own inexpert summation of Church history is that for nearly twenty centuries we have been trying to find a system so safe we do not have to trust the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, there is no such system. And the riskiest thing you can ever do in the long run is cease trusting the Holy Spirit.
    Religious leaders are afraid of anything they cannot themselves control. But anything that religious leaders can control does not have the power to do what is needed. If we settle for what we can control, we are settling for something that God will not accept. Many people feel it is dangerous to rely on the Holy Spirit. In a certain sense, it is. You could draw wrong conclusions, for instance, and be wrong in your actions. It has happened before. But I want to tell you, it is much more dangerous not to rely on the Holy Spirit. The third Person of the Godhead is very gracious, very patient and very gentle. But if we persistently say, “Thank You, but we don’t need You”, we have insulted Him and that is the way to disaster.”
    When we seek to achieve righteousness by law, we are releasing the fleshly nature.’ Excerpt from book – Called to Conquer pg 88.

    I’m not directing this to anyone here, just simply wanted to express this point, with concern in love.

    God bless
    Daniel

    • Timothy Luke says:

      Daniel, while we rely on the Holy Spirit, we must also balance what we think to be the Holy Spirit with the Word of God. When we see something clearly in the Word of God, and it contradicts the Holy Spirit, then we are to follow the Word of God. This is called obedience.

      Since your post is under my blog, I will treat it as part of this dialog. When it comes to "The Lord of the Rings," it is the one part of the dialog where you and I are not in agreement. While it is not my place to force you into agreement, I shall at least explain that we are in agreement with reliance on the Holy Spirit, and not in agreement on "Lord of the Rings".

      You follow your reliance on the Spiirt, but I see what you believe to be the Holy Spirit, is not in alignment with the totality of scripture. Hence, frankly, I do not believe it is the Holy Spirit, but an imposter, you are inadvertantly relying upon. Everything in you says, 'it is alright to watch 'Rings,' while condemning the others, (Narnia, etc.). The problem I see is that basically the same reasons for condemning the others, are obviously to most of us who condemn them, also applicable to "Rings". This is why your argument is not gaining traction. It is not that you are not stating it clearly, but that being clearly seen, some of us may not believe it is soundly based.

      Writings with alien races of beings in the middle earth, who are spirit, and use magic, are not God's idea of righteousness and holiness. Tolkien and Lewis are mates, or friends, who followed the same paths through occultism. Their fruits are in their writings. They promote good magic and bad magic… but God says ALL magic is EVIL.

      Psalm 111:10 says, "a good understanding have they who keep his commandments." In other words, I believe if you were to eliminate "Lord of the Rings" from your viewing, that over time you will see what we are talking about and see it as God sees it…. which is not very good. In my opinion, your infatuation with it is blinding you to it and has the enemy's signal bleeding into your spiritual reception.

      As much as I love and admire you as a brother, I am not allowed to come  into agreement with you on this. Not because I disagree with the need to rely on the Spirit, but because I do not agree it is the right spirit you are relying on in this circumstance.

      We must never, as you will agree, rely on someone else's reliance on the Spirit of Truth, who shall individually and personally lead us into all truth. When we cannot agree with each other, we then go to the Father and ask Him to bring us both into agreement with His Word (not with each other), and go on from there, not forcing agreement, or pressing for it among ourselves, but trusting the Lord to speak to us in the course of time.

      "Father, lead us into all truth and bring us into agreement with how you see all these books and movies we have been speaking of, in Jesus' name. amen."

      Love, Timothy

      • Heya Timothy

        Hmm, I do understand what you are saying, and I am in agreement with aligning what the Holy Spirit says with the Word of God. Also let me just be clear I’m not defending Lord of the Rings with some over infactuation or obsession or anything. I’m mainly defending the freedom that I have in Christ. That is not to say to use that freedom as an excuse to sin. When it comes to the Lord of the Rings, I’m talking about a freedom I feel I have in the Lord to enjoy the movies. I’ve brought this to the Lord and I am under no compulsion in my relationship to God to not be able to enjoy the watching of the movies. Maybe this is because I am watching them for right reasons such as to enjoy the cinematography and story. I’m not really sure. I don’t feel they are in the same ‘area’ as Harry Potter and Narnia as enticing people to practice magic or leading kids into the occult. Certain things are certainly clear cut in being sin and not acceptable to the Lord in the Word, namely masturbation you mentioned in a previous post, drunkenness etc which defiles the temple of God. There is a place in the Bible that talks about some things where one person may be convicted about it and his/her eating of that would be sin, whereas another person eats with a clear conscience? (Romans 14:3-23) Maybe this is relevant to this situation? This is a difficult subject for me to talk about because I don’t want to be in disagreement or ‘rebelling’, but I also don’t want to compromise the freedom I have in Christ, and I feel that if I was to say I’m not allowed to watch the Lord of the Rings movies, then actually this would not please God, because He’s given me freedom to enjoy them specifically, and I would be in danger of falling into legalism in my relationship with Him. There are many things the Holy Spirit has led me to give up and set apart from recently, so its not like I’m trying to be in disobedience or would not be willing to do the same with not watching the Lord of the Rings, hope you understand where I am coming from in this point and would appreciate your feedback.

        In love, Daniel

        (P.S. I think it is a good example as to how we have gone about responding to each other in love and respect 🙂 )

        Just on another side note, I think overall we should be careful to say someone is being led by an imposter or deceiving spirit as a substitute for the Holy Spirit unless we have been told that specifically from the Lord, or have sought the Lord about that with clarity. I just think we need to be careful.

        I do agree with your prayer and appreciate your heart in the matter.

        • Timothy Luke says:

          I respect where you at. I have my peace with you. Let us continue to walk in the light and seek His heart on the matter. Please do not take offense at anything I have written — I am not worth the heartache. I love you brother!

          • You know what’s amazing, is I prayed to God yesterday to be involved in this situation and placed it into his hands, to resolve it and bring peace, and then you came with such an amazing response, that is seriously humble. I think God has watched this dialog and I think used it to show that even if there is a disagreement over some ‘smaller’ matter in the body, by the Spirit of Christ there can be unity 🙂 and I would say it brings glory to God in that way (Found this later after posting this – Ephesians 4:1-3).

            Also wanted to say you have encouraged me to commit afresh towards sanctification and purity in Him. I’m not perfect by any means, but am looking to the Father to work in me sanctification and purity.

            God bless
            With much love and respect
            Daniel

  4. JesusLovesEveryone says:

    I always thought that narnia was some sort of Christian movie. And once ie watched it. it was like: WOW! THIS IS AWESOME! I wanna watch it again! After that, I watched prince caspian(narnia) and was obsessed in it. Before I read this article, I was excited about the release of The dawn treader. I watch Percy Jackson, and can’t seem to stop as well. I watched the clash of the titans, and I loved. But every time, after watching these movies, I wll always have this feeling. The feeling was sometimes very strong. And I felt like I would worship them. Luckily I didn’t. And this feeling would last for days. Sometimes even weeks!
    Thank you Mr.Timothy. 🙂
    now i’ve found out how stupid I am. Thanks to you 🙂 god bless!

    • Timothy Luke says:

      I am glad this article helped explain some of the feelings you have been having since watching these movies. I will tell you, at some personal risk, that it is difficult for me to convey to those in my own church what you have just received! I would not call that 'stupid' on your part – but wise, and magnificently obedient to the conviction of the Holy Spirit!

      Sister, you are made in the image of God, by God Himself. You were sought out and purchased by Him, back to Himself, because He thinks very highly of you. You were given a heart to receive what I have just shared and you are brave enough to acknowledge it. Now you have to simply turn from these things and walk in a clear conscience. Will you do that? Here is a prayer to help you get started….

      "Father in Heaven, you alone are holy and worthy of our adoration. There is no image worthy of our praise. Forgive me, Lord, for adoring the images on the movie screen and those painted by words in novels. I did not realize they were false gods. I choose this day to turn from them once and for all. I repent and ask your forgiveness, knowing you are faithful and just to forgive me my sin and cleanse me from all unrighteousness, including this. Please deliver me from the powers of darkness and confusion that have come into my life through my fascination with these things. Renew and restore my heart and my mind and my life. I am not stupid, but was simply deceived. Now I know better, and I thank you for that in Jesus name, amen."

  5. Joshuagm1991 says:

    My senior year our English teacher started the semester off with reading The Alchemist.
    I’m sure most of you have heard about it. It’s about a man named Santiago who has a dream of treasure and God sends angels, omens, etc… To help him on his way. It’s base religion is Muslim I think.

    At the time I mistakenly believed it being good and innocent. Now, I wish I could take it out of her classroom. I was deceived and I think there is an anti-Christ spirit attached to that book. For a while it made me “optimistic”.

    Sadly good has become bad and bad has become good. Lets just pray pray pray for youth!

  6. Narnia and lord of rings are very dangerous because both movies really point out that there is a power source out there beyond our relm.Heres a good example in STAR WARS every one is wanting the force to be with them but in the last 2 chapters of Daniel in the WORD OF GOD it points out in the last days people will worship the force and they will seek the force with all their heart.This is what wicca,Satanist,occultist,witches and those in to new age are seeking.I have met several christians thatlove lord of the rings and many claim its about good and bad but in the lord of the rings the main character is a WIZARD.I find it amazing that christians would say its a good movie considering that in the word of God once again speaks against wizards.Narnia is all about this energy that is supposed to be good by being good,this is one of the new age biggest deceptions is because they live for this thing called karma being nice and good all the time means your great but the words of God is clear there are none that are righteous.I have come to realize that when I speak at conferances I must speak to people as if their baby christians because very few people I have discoverd study their word.So many people are being blinded because they dont know what is in their word,I am not an expert by any means but I do know this that the word of God we must meditate on daily or other wise we can be easily decieved.I have met over a dozen people that walked away from God because they worshipped un known force,or sex,or porn,or drugs or money.I am talking yes about christians walking away from the truth because their flesh loved things of this world more than things of God.If youwant to go much deeper with God really study these scriptures-2 Chron 15:16,Micah 6:8,Proverbs 23:7,James 3:16,ISA 10:27,ISA 2:6 AND ISA 8:19:See we need to realize that God has given us his word,his sons name to stand on,direct communication to him with prayer,The Holy Spirit and the power of the blood,what more can God almighty do for us to get us to wake up out of our sleep and take hold of his promises.

    • lookinforacity says:

      Hi Tim
      I am in agreement with what you have said, but if I may suggest.
      This is a forum for the (World), we aren’t just having a discussion between friends, where we all know what were talking about when we refer to some scripture.
      We need to keep in mind that when “we speak”, we are in essence teaching, that means anyone posting. We need to be fully aware that there are going to be people that do not know the scripture we may have alluded to. Therefore it is our responsibility to teach them by using the Word, and not let the discussion be just a bunch of opinions.

      Heb 4:12
      For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

      That was an example of what I am so awkwardly trying to say. If we let the Word of God speak to the hearts of those reading, then the Holy Spirit can do His work, rather than us trying to convince others by our own intellect.
      So whenever posting, and a scripture comes to mind, STOP cut and paste the scripture into your narrative, thereby giving God through the Holy Ghost a chance to speak.
      If you think about it, the prompting of the Holy Spirit, giving us a scripture is usually what causes us to post in the first place.

      1Co 2:13
      Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

      Col 4:6
      Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

      2Ti 3:16
      All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

      Remember, the Word of God is the authority on any matter, if we attempt to teach by our own wisdom, we will fail. I have also found, that when we post only the chapter and verse, people have a tenancy “NOT” to go and read the scripture, but if we post it in our narrative, then it becomes part of what we have said and it is read.

      JIM

  7. I agree with this, however as long as these things are not discerned by the flesh but by the Spirit of God – the flesh is deceptive above all things. Otherwise we can be in danger of turning into a rule based, strict form of christianity which says do not touch, taste (Colossians 2:21-23) and steals our freedom in Christ.

    ‘Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.’

    God needs to be directly involved by His Spirit. For instance God has convicted me of the Harry Potter series, with the Holy Spirit saying that it grieves Him and He is against it because it leads kids into the occult. So I’m not supporting the series to honor God. I also sense this with the Narnia series. However I do not feel convicted with enjoying the Lord of the Rings for instance, which I’m free to do in the Lord, finding out what is acceptable to Him (Ephesians 5). What I’m saying is it is dangerous to seperate ourselves from things and decree things as evil in Gods sight by the flesh, instead of discerning with the Holy Spirit’s help, according to the Word.

    Just want to clarify this is not as an excuse to sin, God has progressively been leading me away from fleshly things like playing video games for example. And teaching me to crucify the flesh and walk by the Spirit (Galatians 5:16 – I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.). But that’s the key thing though, it must be by the Spirit, not our flesh, otherwise God is not pleased (Romans 8:8) and we put ourselves in danger of being ruled by the flesh, not by the Holy Spirit.

    Correct me if I’m wrong.
    God Bless
    Daniel

    • Timothy Luke says:

      Daniel, just to add to what you are saying…

      God is rule  based, else why do we call Him our "Ruler"? Why do we say he "Rules" the Universe? We must learn and obey His rules. It is a matter of the "rules" one chooses to follow. You are quoting Paul who is warning against ascetecism which is a man-concocted self-denial of all senses, including those things good. They would deny the virtuous woman who clothed her home in scarlet! God says,

      Deu 18:9-12  "When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.  There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

      For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee."

      The church has cast off all restraint before the Lord, crying "legalism! legalism!" Under God's rules, "The Lord of the Rings" is evil as well… It and Narnia have been the highway to hell for innumerable Christians and their children, who graduate to Harry Potter and beyond.

      TimT, please add your experience and insight on "The Lord of the Rings". It seems that since I have not gone out to see these releases, ironically, my "credibility" is questionable here for other readers! 🙂

      The Spirit of the Lord will always speak the same things to all when God's Word has spoken it.

      • Heya Timothy, thanks for the response, I’m not going to comment further so as to not cause division as I respect you and you are authoratitive to me over this site 🙂

        God bless you
        Daniel

        • Timothy Luke says:

          I love your heart Daniel! Michael is the one who's ministry this is, so perhaps he will be able to comment on "Rings." I have asked TimT to comment, as he has had to mop up from occultic overstepping in the church. He should have a better view and more experienced opinion than the one I have. Knowing the Rings and the Word. I am confident in what I am saying… I did see "The Lord of the Rings" when I was living in North Hollywood. It was great cinematography!

    • Daniel, I understand what you're saying. When it comes to certain things, these can be "conscience issues." In other words, things that are not expressly forbidden in God's Word become issues that are left between us as individuals, and the Holy Spirit. What may be perfectly alright for one believer may be sin for another, depending on the way they are "put together," and what God has put in their heart. When we judge the conduct of others based on our own consciences, we run the risk of "teaching for doctrine the commandments of men" (Mark 7:7), or "judging the law" (The law of Christ written in our hearts, which is the basis of our liberty in Christ) (I Corinthians 9:21).

      Examples of some of these "conscience" issues could include drinking alcohol or caffeine; what specific sexual acts that a husband and wife can participate with each other in their marriage bed, or masturbation, etc. These are things that God's Word does not specifically address, but yet most Christians have very strong opinions on, one way or the other.

      My liberty should be judged of my own conscience, not another's, as ultimately I will answer to God as an individual. Happy is the man that condemns himself not in the thing which he allows (With faith, thanksgiving, and a clean conscience) (Romans 14:22, I Corinthians 10:29-30).

      About looking for an excuse to sin? Most Christians are not doing this anyway; every man can judge his own heart and motives before God, and most believers simply want the truth.

      Again, I am referring to those areas that God's Word is silent on, or areas that He has given us "discretion."   

      • Thanks for the response. I’m not really talking about that specifically. I’m talking about the danger of walking in the flesh, not by the Holy Spirit, even in trying to do good and discern the Word. I’m talking about reliance on the Holy Spirit to lead us, direct us, teach us, empower us, convict us, form Christ in us. I’ve already said I’m against the Narnia and Harry Potter series’s. But I didn’t discern that from my own resources (my own intellect, wisdom, understanding), but by the conviction of the Holy Spirit, that it grieves God and is against Him (God specifically spoke to me about how they lead kids into the occult). And so I don’t want to participate in those things to honor God. If you are walking in the Spirit, the Holy Spirit by the Word makes it quite clear that masturbation is not pleasing to the Lord, and immoral. So I would disagree there.

        What I’m trying to say in general from my comments is I guess what Paul is saying in Galatians. So one can read that to understand where I’m coming from. There is no way I’m going back to a rule system.

        As an example of the flesh asserting itself in trying to do good I can maybe explain my point across better – would be in for instance having a conversation with a non believer and trying, relying on our own power, wisdom, effort, intellect to tell them about Christ and lead them to God, or even talk to them about the things of God instead of denying our flesh (our own wisdom, intellect and powers) and waiting upon, looking to and relying on the Holy Spirit to lead us, direct us, help us to what to say, empower us, to the Glory of God. We can even do this with the Word, be independant of the Holy Spirit, relying on our own wisdom, intellect and understanding, to the glory of man.

        •  

          I just wanted to respond to what you said about masturbation; Masturbation can certainly be sin, but not necessarily for everyone, and in every situation. My point in bringing that up is that many times we teach our own convictions as doctrine, and we can get into trouble with this.

          I am confident (not "cocky") with my relationship with the Lord, and have matured over the years. When I was young in the Lord I used to preach fervently against Santa Claus, Christmas trees, television and Catholics!! As I grew, I began to understand that God is not intimidated by these things. Jesus Christ truly is Lord, and when we get more of an understanding of that, we begin to understand that "to the pure all things are pure." (Titus 1:15) Now please keep this in context, I'm not saying that we can just go out and "do whatever we want;" We as Christians can get real flaky sometimes! Weird and goofy! Many times we are not being persecuted fo righteousness' sake at all, but for weirdness' sake!  

          King Saul consulted a witch for guidance because God was ignoring him. But notice what happened; did God say, "Saul, I just can't believe that you did such a thing! Leave at once, and then I will be able to speak to you!! No! He spoke to Him right there! The Holy Spirit completely took over the situation, and Samuel (not the devil) appeared to him and gave him a Word from heaven! How do I know that it was Samuel? Because the Bible says so! "And Samuel said to Saul…" (I Samuel 28:15) If it was a devil, God would have said so, and besides, what Samuel told Saul was the truth, and was the Word of the Lord, which came to pass (since when does God use the devil as a prophet to speak truth?) (Deuteronomy 18:21-22)

          Is what God showing you wrong? NO! It's just like eating things sacrificed to idols. If God is giving you a revelation on the evil of sacrificing to idols, then don't eat!! But if I can eat without conscience unto the idol, and simply enjoy a good meal, then that's alright and good for me! (I Corinthians 10:29-30)  

          I enjoyed Star Wars, and God used to to show me some powerful allegories (because I was expecting it), and watched it in faith. I don't watch Harry Potter because I percieve it to be of a different spirit altogether then Star Wars and Narnia. I haven't seen the latest Narnia, but I did enjoy the first one, and didn't have a devil on me when I left the theatre!!

          • Timothy Luke says:

            Brother, I will be very clear here. God has a clear standard and it is up to each of us to apply it clearly, for we will be judged of Him on these things in that day. As Christians we are not to judge one another, that is to condemn, however I must teach the clear word on these things, so please do not be offended. We are all growing up in these things and as I have matured and grown from being bound in these areas, I trust you will be set free as well. My life is happier and free without these things or the drives and lusts to pursue them.

            Satan, through Christians has taken "personal convictions" and used it to form a new 'spiritual relativism' that makes sin ok for some, but not for others. What hogwash that is. Sin is sin. Maturbation is SIN for everybody because it defiles the body and it defiles one's neighbor. Masturbation is born of lust and fantasy, and that will have us using other people in our minds to commit this evil in our own body. "if a man looks at a woman to lust after her, he has committed adultery with her already in ihis heart." – Matt 5:28. "Walk in the spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh" – Galatians 5:16.

            Likewise, Narnia, Lord of the Rings, and Harry Potter, are ALL rooted in OCCULTISM. God HATES witchcraft, divination, those who peep and mutter, those who cast spells ALWAYS! If God so detests these things, and the heart of God is truly in us, then we will detest them.  God says, "suffer not these things to be in your midst," in Deuteronomy 18:3-20, which means do not allow them.  We then have no excuse and no reason to go around that CLEAR COMMAND. If you make excuses as to why when God says, "my people are not allowed to do this, " then you are deceived and you are in rebellion to HIM, not me, or anyone else who is under his conviction.

            Just wanted to clarify, because 1) God is the same yesterday, today and forever. 2) He is not a respecter of persons. Therefore, 3) A doctrine of personal convictions in areas where God has clearly spoken is confusion.

            Paul was addressing areas God once required of Israel in the keeping of days and meats, that God took his restriction from. Narnia violates the first commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." and Masturbation violates "thou shalt not commit adultery." These things have not been done away, as have meats and days.

          • I didn't intend for the masturbation issue to become a "sticking point;" I used it as an example because there is alot of disagreement about it in the church, amongst other things; I'm not advocating it or opposing it. It is important that you follow the conviction in your own heart; but you need to understand that not everyone may reach the same conclusions on these things. Just so you know, I don't drink alcohol (in any form), and I am faithful to my wife (in thought and deed), and am also happily married!! But if someone wants a glass of wine with their dinner, I can't tell them it's sin, because it may not be for them, I can (and would) discourage it because I think it is dangerous, but scripture doesn't condemn the moderate use of alcohol. I don't even drink caffeine! God convicted me of it because it is a mood altering (and addicting) drug. Does this make it wrong for you? I could tell you that you are "defiling your body" and that using drugs is rooted in sorcery!! My wife drinks coffee and cola and so do alot of Christians, and they seem to do it with God's approval, so I best just leave it alone.

            Actually, maybe we should all miss work on Monday because we can't participate in "Monday" because the days of the week were all named after Greek gods and rooted in astrology!! In fact, not just Monday, but all the days of the week!! (Maybe we all need a vacation!!)

          • Timothy Luke says:

            I am with you on the wine! We don't drink it, nor do we condemn those who do. I don't condemn people who have sex outside of marriage, but I do not practise it. I do not condemn people who make poor choices in entertainment, but when a majority in Christianity say something is alright that goes against basic laws of relationship (with God in this case), it is healthy for a voice to say, "the bridge is out." That is all I am saying, the rest is simply an explanation as to how one might discover this for themselves without driving off into oblivion.

            Shalom! Timothy.

            PS-

            Sun-Day — Worship Sun God

            Mon-Day — Worship Moon God

            Tues-Day — Worship ??

            Wednes-Day — Worship Woden's Day – Woden, Norse God.

            Thurs-Day — Worship Thor's Day

            Fri-Day — Worship goddess Freya

            Satur-Day — Worship Saturn

            Maybe we need to just go back to the Biblical reckoning of numeric day of the week…

          •  

            I was thinking and asking the Lord last night, "How do I explain this in a simple and easy to understand way?"

            Alright, here's the process:

            1) A man gets born-again; fresh out of the box with very little knowledge. He only knows that he loves God and wants to please Him.

            His family are all hard-core heathen, and they get together for the "holiday" and serve meat that has been offered to idols. Well, our new brother is blissfully ignorant, and knows nothing about idols or anything like that, and so he gives God thanks and eats his meal! He's ok with it and God's alright with it because he did it in ignorance and without offense in his heart. (And though the man may not, God knows the truth about eating meat and idols)

            2) The following year, the same man begins to grow in knowledge, and the Holy Spirit begins to speak to him about idols, idolatry and pagan practices, etc. The man, with his heart and mind enlightened, of course wants nothing to do with idolatry and wants to please the Lord. So this year at the family gathering, he abstains from their meat. At this point, if he were to eat, he would violate his conscience and sin, and he is correct for not eating (I Corinthians 8:7, Romans 14:23). (Assume in all these scenarios that all the family are heathen with no knowledge of Christianity or idolatry, etc., and that the conscience of others is not an issue).

            3) Maybe five years later (maybe longer), the man continues to grow in the Lord, and though he still knows, of course, that idolatry is wrong, he begins to mature in his faith. He begins to understand that an idol is simply that, an idol, and that it is nothing at all, for there is no other God but one (I Corinthians 8:4-6). With this knowledge, he understands that after all, it's simply a piece of meat that God Himself has created (for him, not the devil), and he knows that he is hungry, and so he eats! He's happy (and full), and God is pleased with his faith! (Hebrews 11:6, I Corinthians 10:31) Isn't that wonderful?

            This same principle, of course, can apply to many areas of our Christian walk, including what movies we watch.

          • Timothy Luke says:

            Working with you on the analogy here…

            I guess in the maturing Christian, the question is, do they know that C.S. Lewis' Narnia series is not merely allegory, but that he is using demonic creatures adored, worshipped and sacrificed to by pagans worldwide today to 'illustrate' his gospel? Note: Lewis did not promote Narnia as Christian and it is dedicated to "Lucy" who is not only the main character, but the daughter of a man who was a close friend of Lewis and who taught "all roads lead to heaven" theology? Does the mature Christian know that one cannot simply worship whomever they choose and go to heaven? Do they know that God personally knows the devils used as good and bad characters in Narnia and that God has a revulsion to them? Do they know that God is jealous for us and does not want us to have any part with false gods who have the power to bewitch and deceive?

            If they can clearly see these things, then perhaps they have the maturity you speak of that would make it ok to see the movie.

          • The whole world is full of evil; we live in this world, and I don't know if there is any movie out there that is completely "free" from evil and not tainted with some degree of it. Yes, a mature Christian can see through the darkness and certainly is not "worshipping" these things, or these creatures (On the issue of strange creatures, by the way; God's got some strange looking ones up there too!).

            A mature Christian has his eyes on something else, because he is looking for what God is doing, not what the devil is doing. Of course the devil is going to be around; he's even in church on Sunday morning; in fact, there's more weirdness and goofiness in many churches than there is in all three Narnia movies put together! I think we'd be surprised to find out that not as many people are opposed to Jesus Christ as we think; many of them simply want nothing to do with the goofiness that we have called Christianity, or organized religious institutions.

  8. Joshuagm1991 says:

    Oh lord deliver us from evil!
    The innocence in horoscopes, tarot cards, divination boards, and anything occultish is a scary thing to think about.

  9. Some of you know me pretty well by now,because of all my comments and my minestry exposing the darkness.I hate to say it but the stage is being built right now for the new world order in which Satan will take totall power.The movie and the books by Mr.Lewis has caused so many christians to be diveded like the Harry Potter serios but so many christians are being blinded to the fact that if you can get christians to just open their mind to demonic powers than Satan behind the seens can wage a full scale attack.I am amazed by how many christians are now falling prey to thinking that psychics are just nice people and how many christians arefalling prey to thinking that reading their horoscope is just for fun.Or theres people out there that beat their wives and harm their childern and than get upset because law enforcement stepped in and now every one says its nobodies business because we are christians.My minestry has helped out in so many bizzare ways with so many odd people but one thing that shocks me is every one states we are christians.The enemy has twisted the truth so badly that so many so called christians dont even understand what is a christian any more.I was amazed when I was asked to speak at a church and the 1# show in this city that christians liked was called the medium.My minestry was develoed because I wanted to help Satanist and occultist realize that Jesus Christ name is more powerful than any other name and Jesus loves and forgives people.But in the 22 years I have been deeply involved in spirtual warfare I have come to the conclusion that theres just as many christians who need help breaking off strong holds,generational curses,closing demonic doors as there is those in the occult.Just the other day I read that positive thinking can set you free but theres no scriptures in the whole bible that say that.With out the living word of God,or walking in humilty,the fear of God and the spirit of God we as christians will be destroyed.So please pick up your sword and fight for good ground because we are giving the enemy to much ground.Thanks Tim http://exposingthedarkness.com/

    • Tim, this is correct; I have found that, just like the Corinthian church (carnal), it seems that many believers are this way; as long as there is a Christian label on it, they will just swallow it. I don't think they do it intentionally; they're just spiritually "stupid" (I say this lightheartly, not as an insult).

      I see this most often with "Christian" music and dating situations. My personal opinion (not doctrine), is that "dating" is not biblical; again, that's my opinion, and I think I can back it up with scripture (and common sense). God can certainly lead us in the most important decision after salvation that we will make in this life (Who to marry). But I think it comes down to leadership; that's why God has ordained the five-fold ministry; in order to lead people, guide them into truth, and establish them in the faith.

      • You are bring up allot of very good topics that need to be addressed.See I agree with you 100% espialley on the dateing aspect because my wife and I have been married almost 16 yearsnow and we knew eash other a totall of 5 months before we got marreied.Dating isnt biblical,no one dated,if God can create insects and birds do we not think he can bless us with a spouse?So I am so much in agreement with you.The 5 fold minestry is right on but sad to say most churches dont have even a 3 fold minestry,most churches have just one or two gifts operating in the church.So many christians dont understand the importance of a 5 fold minestry so they are lost trying to figure things out.But sense I am an author let me challenge you to take one step further sense it sounds like you are really eager to grow closer to Christ.Do what all the great men and woman of the bible have done do what I call the F.A.T…….In both of my books that I have written I put F.A.T because thias stands for FAITHFUL..ACCOUNTABLE….. TEACHABLE…do this and you will fly like an eagle in growth terms.

    • healed.restored says:

      Narnia, Lord of the Rings, star wars. these and many more are so dangerous because they contain deep truths and deep lies and present an overall reality that is false. I beleive that we need so much to teach the truth to dispel all the non-reality that people in the world fill their minds with. Satan deceives many with non-reality and fantasy which leave his ideas and images in their minds. we as christians need to be aware of all the powerfuly subtle ways of the enemy.

      before i was saved i really loved superhero films and tv series', it was a kind of deep rooted obsession i had. the Lord showed me how most of the superheros powers and abilities are based on and rooted deep in the occult. So children watching X-men or superman ect are being exposed to the occult on a daily basis. nearly all childrens entertainment is like this. I beleive satan is sowing his seed in the mind of the children more freely than ever before and we need to recognise this.

      • Certainly Satan is at work sowing tares in the hearts and minds of people, but what about what God is doing? Listen, Satan is a creature of pride; he wants all the attention focused on him; God is at work too!! In fact, I didn't even know there was a new Narnia movie out until I found this blog, and everyone hammering it! I was excited to find out that they had made a sequel, and I went to see it last week, glory to God!! (And I even took my wife and kids!!) I left the theatre built up in my faith; the part about resisting temptation, and how it came so enticingly and subtly was powerful!! The witch enticing Edmund through a vision (Yes, of course it was a demonic vision); that's exactly the way the devil is, and the consequence for falling into the snare can be devastating. That's what I saw! Now, you all may have walked out with a devil on you (if you've even seen it), In fact, he's probably laughing his fanny off at you all right now!! He's got you all wrapped up in him, so much so that you can't even see God in the middle of it, and he loves it!!   

        I will say one more thing; I never had any interest or experience with the occult before becoming a Christian (It never even crossed my mind). I was, however, heavily into drugs, alcohol and fornication, etc. though. But after the first year of being a Christian, I needed a form of deliverance from occultic spirits, from being around weird and goofy Christians that talked about these things all the time!! (Seriously) 

  10. warrior daughter says:

    Those who embrace Narnia as Christian allegory are fully engulfed in this lie.

    The church I now attend,sees nothing wrong with this movie. A quote from the movie was used yesterday. “It was winter all the time but never Christmas” or close to this quote.

    I watched the DVD Narnia & I was shocked at the other gods depicted in it as being good. The children in the movie did not think it was strange that they were with witches & half animal/ half human beings..

    The Lion, The Witch & The Wardrobe (Narnia) is required reading in some schools. A parent can request another book for their child to read. My children were in elementary when it was required . I did not know what the book was about but I did not like the title of the book & I read a few chapters & then went to the teacher & requested another book.

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