Thoughts from some guy – r.e. athiesim

Friends of Jesus;

“So He said to them, ‘This kind can come out by nothing but prayer and fasting.’ Mark 9:29

It’s not strange that our “atheist” friend (actually I have a hunch he is Gnostic) finds prayer abhorrent. Of course he would because it is one of the most powerful weapons that we have in our arsenal.

“Please don’t pray for me…”?
That statement alone has just proven to us how powerful prayer is!

The Word of God, Prayer and Fasting.

The Bible
“For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” (Heb 4:12)

The Fast
“But the days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast in those days.” (Mark 2:20)

The Prayer
“So we fasted and entreated our God for this, and He answered our prayer.” (Ezera 8:23)

The “atheist” prayer…
“Lost Hope” by Amanda Harris
I’m so tired of being lost in a world,
Where no one can find me.
I want to break free of the cage,
That has been enclosing me for too long.
I know that I am alone and no one will save me,
So I am to escape for myself.
I wander down a path,
That will go on for eternity.
I shall never reach the end,
I am trapped no matter where I go.
Though I finally manage to reach the end,
I must fight the monster inside of me to pass.
It is filled with so much anger, hate, and despair,
The only antidote is love, courage, and hope.
The three things I do not have,
And never will.
It is there that I give up,
I have nothing left but myself.
So I lay down forever,
Never going to get up again…as I fade away from all existence.
Prayer – It is a sacrifice of our Time, Thoughts, and our “Self”… Intercession is our Best Expression of Love to this “atheist”

Offended by our prayers? As well they should – He isn’t Offended; rather…

….He is Afraided

God Bless

PS – The last time I got into a debate with an Atheist was over the phone…

“Prove to me that “YOU” exist!” He challenged. (existentialism at it’s best!)

I thought about this for a moment and then remarked,

“On one condition – You need to acknowledge the fact that I ‘could’ exist.”

“Oh No!”.. His voice full of contempt. “You need to prove it to me!”

“Then I can’t…”

and hung up…

…I had better things to do.

What do YOU think?



  1. alethesia dipsos says:

    It’s amazing and depressing when an atheist shows more respect than God’s children.
    So much arrogance.
    Lord forgive us all and I pray that if this is what we as salt and light have to show for ourselves – please Lord, protect us from ourselves by thwarting nonbelievers from coming here lest we prove them wise in ignoring a God whose agents act like us.
    No wonder unbelievers prefer Mormon’s over us

  2. anonymous-em says:

    I’m discouraged huck, that you think the inability of one athiest to validate his standpoint therefore means that atheism is invalid and all atheists are incorrect- it does not, and it is not.

    Perhaps I can continue your conversation with you via posts here – except I’ll start from the point where your friend failed.

    “On one condition – You need to acknowledge the fact that I ‘could’ exist.”

    Absolutely, I’ll acknowledge that your god COULD exist (this is actually what you and your friend were driving at..). Atheism is not “a belief in no-god”. it is “no belief in a god” – the differences are enormous. One is a blind assertion – a logical fallacy, the other is an honest acknowledgement of the absense of evidence, and the recognition of the logial restrictions that this imposes. This is NOT the same as agnostic – which maintains that “god is un-knowable” – again, this is a blind assertion.

    Without-god, simply means that I do not blindly assert that a god exists, and I do not blindly assert that a god does not exist. We simply do not know. We simply do not have the tools, and we simply do not have the information. That is not to say that we will never know.

    So yes, I’ll acknowledge that your god “could exist” – but I need you to infallibly prove that he does. This is because I use the tool of logic. If, in the future, we aquire another, different tool that is anywhere near as good as, or better than logic, then I will use THAT – at present, logic is the BEST tool we have, so I use it – in the meantime, to blindly assert that at god does, or does not exist is simply, purely; illogical.

    As I do not make the mistake that all thesist think and argue the same thing, or point, don’t make the mistake that all atheists think and argue the same thing. Logic is a mathematical tool; there is only one way to use logic – no discussions or compromises – only ONE way – you either misuse it as your friend has, or you apply it correctly. It is ALWAYS illogical to assert as fact, anything at all without robust, testable evidence. I’ll also state that “illogical” does not mean “wrong”. I can assert that I had a dream about fairies, I can’t prove it, but it is certainly easy to understand, because having dreams about faries is something that we all understand to be perfectly possible, regardless of who we are, where we were brought up, or the books we read.

  3. Huck Finn says:

    Thank you for your comments.

    I’ll keep praying for your soul.

    God Bless

    “What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,” (Philippians 1:18-19)

  4. Beloved says:

    The fact that this ‘ATHEIST” is on a Christian website suggest to me that he is looking for answers,which further suggest to me that the Holy Spirit is working on him.(I’m pretty sure he would most violently deny this)
    In a post I unashamedly told him that I would pray for him.I have. I will continue. He can thank me in Heaven 🙂

    Did he really think that if he ask us not to pray,we wouldn’t? We must obey God ,rather than man.

    • anonymous-em says:

      Hi huck.
      Of course I didn’t expect you not to pray for me. – of course, this is why I explicitly asked you not to – I was attempting to gauge the extent to which you respect the rights and freedom of the individual.

      One of the biggest curiosities I have about some religions is their intolerance to others. This has been more recently manifest in proposition 8 in california – itself later overturned by the courts as being unconsititutional.

      My thoughts were that your religion actually attempts to excuse you from being unconstitutional – and I think I’ve managed to demonstrate that, to a smaller extent. You DON’T respect the rights of other people to have whatever relgiion they want – you explicilty WANT me to have the same religion as you, and you will actually appeal to your God to try to make that happen.

      The reality, or not, of your god is actually totally irrelevant. If your god DEMANDS that we all think alike, and all worship him similarly, then I’m afraid I’m not very interested in such an intolerant god, and nor are most others – YOU included.

      This is the reason that you DON’T consider other religions or philosohpies, because your god has terrified you into not letting yourself do so.
      Quite simply, until your god exhibits tolerance for diversity, then in my opinion, yes, I have a higher moral ethic than he – given, in fact, that diversity is EXPLICITLY required, BY LAW, in your country, then it would also seem that the founders of your constitution ALSO regard themselves has having a more tolerant and higher ethic than your god.

      So – it wasn’t a request for you to not pray for me, per se, it was a test to see the extent to which you tolerated and accepted my request. I think the outcome is clear.

      • Huck Finn says:

        My friends.

        I’m sorry if I came off as arrogant. I guess after years of being a quasi intellectual (that is a self admonishment – not an accusation – and I mean that sincerely). I finally had to ask myself one Question… If there is a personal god… then he needed to prove himself to me.

        And He did because I very sincerely can only accept Truth. Truth is my God! Yet to find Truth I had to go to Truth. I spoke directly to Him.

        That’s why I’m a Christian. Or more precisely a “Believer”. – I asked – He answered.

        I do care about you EM. Maybe a little more then you might give me credit for.

        I wasn’t being arrogant. I was being honest, because you deserve no less then that. But are you here to argue and debate, or do you want “Truth”?

        We Christians are very limited and silly – Your asking questions that can only be answered not by us, but by the One who programmed you. “Truth”.

        My little Email was also a test. – just like you tested us. You’re here amongst friends and your welcome to sit next to me – I mean that very sincerely.

        God Speed

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