Theophostic Prayer: Is it a Counterfeit?

I am posting this as a blog so I can keep track of it easier. I have a friend who is excited about his church group getting into theophostic prayer. My understanding is that is is occultic in its practice and that it opens one up to a spirit guide. Has someone experienced, or researched this?

What do YOU think?

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  1. 8thirty2 says:

    I seriously doubt you will take this seriously but the confirmation text you are using is NOT good! … change it if you can. I will not post any more using it … it makes me feel nauseous ever time I read it.

    • Walk in the Light says:

      I’m sorry, but I’m not sure what you are referring to when you talk about a “confirmation text”. Could you please tell me which bible verse it is that is upsetting to you?

      • Timothy Luke says:

        Whenever you post, you have to enter a text. For me to post this, for example, I must answer the question “What is the third word in the phrase “pomeke jos oyop xof guhef”?:This is done to screen out spammers.

        The concern is that these words are not random groupings of letters, but are words that may be of another language and have a meaning we ought not be endorsing. I am curious now as to what the basis of those words are. Are they random? Or are they a language and have meaning? I have assumed they are random, but I do not know the answer to that question. Perhaps Michael has addressed it before.

        Blessings and Peace,
        Timothy

    • MelodyCat says:

      8thirty2,

      Without reading the program that generates the confirmation text I can only comment from basic observation.

      Most confirmation text programs use numbers and the alphabet. Here we only have the English Alphabet (which has come to us from Latin). After taking some time to watch various lots of the five words you can choose from I noticed the following:-

      1) You always get a consonant follwed by a vowel then repeated again consonant then vowel, throughout each word.

      2) None of the words made I’ve seen so far made any sense in English. Even trying to read them backwards. Nor did they make any sense in any of the Languages I know very well.

      3) If you are a student of languages you will notice that the majority if languages use far more consonants and they are often grouped together. By dispersing consanants with a vowel between each one you are making it hard for any kind of normal word to form.

      English is not my first language, I am educated in 3 languages including English and I am familiar with a number of others. I used to sing in professional choir for many, many years in various languages of which Latin was the at the top (Religious Masses of course in Latin are a popular performance for Choirs). Recently added Hebrew to my list of languages I can speak and read, just not fluently.

      None of the words so far made sense in any language familiar to me.

      I can’t gurantee a word cannot be made up from using the random “consonant vowel, consonant vowel” pattern used by the confirmation text program. However, it doesn’t seem possible that it using words from any normal language due to the pattern not allowing grouping of consonants or vowels.

      I hope that my observations on this may helped you.

      Cheers
      Mel

      • Timothy Luke says:

        I didn’t notice the vowel consonant pattern… Great observations Mel!

        Blessings and Peace,
        Timothy

  2. 8thirty2 says:

    I came across a reference or more accurately a solicitation for a college course in this a while ago and didn’t have good feeling for it then. I just had a look at the website.

    It seems to be on the surface Biblically based but I have two problems: The most fundamental of which is the fact that it is entirely a commercial system. What happened to what you have freely received now freely give? The second is that it gives (or appears not to give) any credence to other spiritual forces working a person’s life. Yes emotional healing does indeed need to happen, yes it is by a process of renewing of the mind, Yes it is about what we choose to believe … in fact I have little or no contestation with what little they do say about (not to exclude the possibility that I may dispute other aspects hidden in the parts you have to purchase to find out about) healing, however there is also very much the spiritual reality of the demonic which seems to be totally ignored.

    It also seems to be very much based on the type of healing common during the Charismatic renewal which has been copied by the New Age movement as the ‘rebirthing’ thing .. which was a form of going to back to the source of the pain and letting God heal the memories that was common during the early days of the Charismatic Renewal. Since discredited due to abuses.

    • Walk in the Light says:

      I appreciate ‘8thirty2’s reply and their reservations. Having reservations is fine, as long as you maintain integrity in your investigations.

      Re Theophostic Ministry operating as a business – I see no reason why that should invoke suspicion. Ed Smith does not teach his students to charge for ministry, he leaves it entirely up to each person to ask the Lord to show them what to do, and since some are mental health professionals, in that context they probably would. But the choice is theirs alone. As for Ed Smith, it seems to me far more honest to operate as a business, than run a ministry which is constantly emailing/mailing out newsletters, encouraging followers to donate, promising blessings to those who do so, etc etc. One thing I know for sure, Ed Smith doesn’t live in a mansion and have a private jet like many of the other ‘big name’ ministry leaders do!

      Re the little mention of the demonic – Ed has learnt after thousands of hours of ministry during the last 14 years that emotional healing and the demonic are linked. In his training he gives many examples to back that up. Again, he leaves the choice up to the student if they want to include deliverance ministry in their ministry or not. He only asks that if you choose to do that, then don’t say that you are practicing TPM.

      Re It seems to be very much based on the type of healing common during the Charismatic renewal, which has been copied by the New Age. It’s interesting how that, in the absence of any concrete evidence, some vague accusations linking it with something of disrepute is meant to prove that TPM is wrong. It’s OK to have doubts, but if you are trying to put forth an argument to persuade someone in their choices I would highly recommend that you refrain from putting too much emphasis on your own personal thoughts, unless backed up by something certain.

      You know, I find it interesting reading some of the gospels and the experiences Jesus had. Some people were sure he must be the Messiah, but others couldn’t reconcile the fact that he was from Gallilee when they knew from scripture that the Messiah would come from Bethlehem, and this was enough for them to dismiss the many miracles that Jesus performed. It was understandable for the people to have these uncertainties, because they didn’t have all the facts. In the same way, I can relate many stories of how TPM is helping people find genuine healing and freedom in Christ, but if you think that there is conflict between scripture and TPM you would not be able to accept it, would you?

      In that case, the onus is back on you to keep searching. Keep asking questions. Don’t just ask one or two questions. Ask if you are asking the right questions, because the wrong questions will lead you to the wrong answers! Don’t go by your feelings. Praise God that He has promised the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth. Learn to study correctly, because if you don’t then you more than likely will end up with the wrong conclusion, which might not only be to your detriment, but also disadvantage those who you influence.

      Blessings!

      • lookinforacity says:

        Hi W I T L:

        you say
        (“Ed Smith doesn’t live in a mansion and have a private jet like many of the other ‘big name’ ministry leaders do!”)
        You cant make Ed look better, by critically pointing at other ministries, that isn’t the Issue, it doesn’t give him any greater credibility.

        From the small amount of research I have done.
        1.) Ed is a Baptist right?
        2.) Baptists have not traditionally believed in the gifts of the spirit, as Pentecostals do, have they?
        3,) So yes, (” He only asks that if you choose to include a deliverance ministry, then don’t say that you are practicing TPM.”)
        Is that because it would give “TPM” a bad name, if it was connected in some way to God?
        From what I understand it has, or is becoming just another area of Psychology where it would then be used in secular society.
        The way I view it would be, if the connection with God would be offensive to some people, so that they would “NOT” use it, then it should “NOT” be used by Christians.
        you say
        (“It seems to be very much based on the type of healing common during the Charismatic renewal, which has been copied by the New Age.”)

        I don’t want the Charismatic’s to get a bad rap. I have no particular axe to grind, this is as impartial as I can be.

        I add these references for those that don’t know. # 5 seem to be interesting.
        1.) New Age is a recent and developing belief system in North America encompassing thousands of autonomous (and sometime contradictory) beliefs, organizations, and events. Generally the New Age borrows its theology from pantheistic Eastern religions and its practices from 19th century Western occultism. The term “New Age” is used herein as an umbrella term to describe organizations which seem to exhibit one or more of the following beliefs: (1) All is one, all reality is part of the whole; (2) Everything is God and God is everything; (3) Man is God or a part of God; (4) Man never dies, but continues to live through reincarnation; (5) Man can create his own reality and/or values through transformed consciousness or altered states of consciousness.

        2.) I have “not” used a definition for the term Charismatic renewal, on the grounds that this term only refers to the Catholic Charismatic Renewal.
        The term “Charismatic Movement” is an umbrella term used to describe those Christians who believe that the manifestations of the Holy Spirit seen in the first century Christian church ( Acts ), such as miracles, prophecy, and glossolalia (speaking in other tongues or languages), are available to contemporary Christians and may be experienced and practiced today. It is derived from the Greek (“gift,” ) itself derived from (“grace” or “favor”) which is the term used in the Bible, (1 Corinthians 12-14.)
        “Charismatic Movement,” however, expresses the arrival of spiritual gifts in the historic mainline denominations.

        you say
        (“interesting reading some of the gospels, this was enough for them to dismiss the many miracles that Jesus performed.”)

        The thing is, that whenever God “IS, or “WILL” be doing something, Satan will always have a counterfeit,
        his counterfeits are intended to discredit the Real thing which is from God. ie, (healing, deliverance)

        Ok, I will give you, – – – (“TPM is helping people find genuine healing and freedom in Christ.”)

        The burden then is to prove these claims. Where are the scriptures backing up these claims?
        Where is it taught in the bible as a biblical principal?
        To the contrary, the onus is still bouncing around in your court, it is always on the person making the claim about something in the Bible, to prove the claim made. Because it is not only those who you influence, but might be to your detriment also.
        I am sure that all here would agree, that you are a person of high integrity, we all trust you to do a totally unbiased investigation of this matter, for the benefit of the forum.
        happy hunting, God bless.:>)

        JIM

        • Walk in the Light says:

          Thank you Jim for your reply and your thoughts.

          After reading your post and some of the other posts, I am trying to understand how best to reply. Yes, I could just address each person’s individual questions, but that could go on ad infinitum. Could I attempt to actually clarify what the main points are that are in questions first?

          1. The integrity of the founder, What is his background, ethics, personal beliefs?
          2. Does his choice to charge a fee for those who would like to undertake his training indicates that it is not of God?
          3. Is it wrong to investigate and understand how the human mind works? (Are there laws that govern the way the mind works and is it OK to actually discover those laws and work in harmony with them?)
          4. What scriptural evidence is there to confirm the approach taught in Theophostic Prayer Ministry? What Bible principles is it founded on?

          One person who added a post said that you can’t find out anything about TPM without paying money for it. Perhaps that person overlooked some of the links on the TPM website. Having just had a look myself the website has (what seems to me) extensive information which gives a good overview. You can even download the first 3 chapters of his introductory book, “Healing Life’s Deepest Hurts”:
          http://www.theophostic.com/content.asp?ID=13

          There are lots of links on that site which give ample information for someone who wants to try and understand what TPM is all about.

          If after that you are still interested in my opinion/perspective on the above questions, or if you can think of another question that I haven’t added to the list,… then please let me know.

          One thing I would say re question 2: I don’t think anyone would question the need to pay for theological training if a person desired to become a pastor. That is the way it is and reflects nothing upon the course, it’s authors or viability. In the same way, TPM is a ministry which seeks to help people who have been wounded at a very deep level, and as such demands responsibility, wisdom and adquate training. It is no small thing to help people overcome issues such as panic attacks/phobias, eating disorders, insecurity, shame, etc etc.

          Perhaps the focus of some in the church on Deliverancy Ministry has subconsciously conveyed the idea that we can march into a person’s life in their deepest most vulnerable place, wearing army boots and shouting commands at the enemy, and that everything will be OK. For some this approach may work, but for others it doesn’t, and can do even more damage. We shouldn’t be afraid to acknowledge Deliverance Ministry’s limitations, but rather understand it and make necessary adjustments. TPM seeks to do that. Some find the approach so superior that they find they don’t rely on Deliverancy Ministry anymore. Some still do.

          Re question 2 again: Ed Smith had a much simpler training process in place in the early days of his ministry, and what he learnt was that many people who undertook the training had a particular problem – they were dysfunctional people who used ‘ministry’ as a way to escape their problems. This phenomenon shows up in lots of ways in different denominations, but is just another variation of what the ‘lost’ do. Outside of the church, the unsaved find lots of ways to ignore their problems and try to make themselves feel better about life. Typically they turn to alcohol, drugs, sex, entertainment, shopping, eating, travelling…all sorts of different things to avoid the issues they don’t know how to deal with. But what do you do when those in the church do the same thing, but in a Christian way?

          Christians can be guilty of ignoring their personal/relationship problems by going and giving someone a Bible study, or maybe there is some secret sin they struggle with, and to prove that they love the Lord they get involved in church ministry, perhaps working with the children, or music, or cleaning, or cooking, or blogging on Christian websites 😉 … Ed Smith found that when he didn’t put in place some checks & balances to prevent the “Maverick” types from doing this, that it meant that vulnerable people going to them for help did not always receive it. As the head of this ministry he needed to take action so that people of that character would be less likely to move into ministry OR that they would have ample opportunity to resolve their own personal issues and be equipped to minister to people effectively. That to me seems like a responsible approach to a significant problem.

          Jim, please don’t rely on me to do an unbiased investigation for the benefit of the forum, unless you and everyone else reading is able to accept what I say in an unbiased way!! 😀 It requires both, you know!

          Speaking of avoiding problems, I have to clean my kitchen & make lunch! I look forward to any replies…
          Blessings,
          Caroline

      • 8thirty2 says:

        ok then let’s put it this way … it’s really hard to know what the real of something is when you have to part with money to find out what it’s really all about. I can’t find out what they really say and do without parting with money and I have a fundamental objection to that. In principal I feel this is problematic from an openess point of view and in that the things of God should not have a price on them.

        and I still have a problem with the confirmation text .. can some one tell me how the text is generated … it really doesn’t sit well in my spirit.

      • Anonymous says:

        I only have one question that came to my heart while reading through all the arguments and disputes on whether Theophostic Prayer is biblical or not – What was Jesus reply or words according to The Word of God each time He healed the sick and the troubled?

        “Your faith has saved or healed you”. Nowhere have i ever read the He first had to call upon the Holy Spirit to shed some light onto any persons past or family roots or whatsoever. Nowhere did He speak about anyones past and tried to get to the roots…He said your faith saved you. The Bible says that everyone who has accepted Christ is a new creation the old has passed away and the new has come 2Cor5:17. How can we then go back into the past if God’s Word says that once we have accepted Christ we are a new creation everything old is gone?

        Shouldn’t we rather just reposission ourselves and look at The Cross and it’s finished work…Jesus cried out “It is Finished” and by that all our sins and sicknesses was overcome. Thank Jesus for what He has done!! It is Finished – If He Who is God said “It is done” then who are we to go back to the past? Halleluja!!!! Thank You Jesus for what You have done!!!!

  3. Walk in the Light says:
    Timothy Luke initially asked this question about Theophostic:

    My understanding is that is is occultic in its practice and that it opens one up to a spirit guide. Has someone experienced, or researched this?

    Well, I have had much direct experience with Theophostic, and thought I should add my first hand account, especially since the posts since the question was first asked in March have been quite inaccurate in some of their accusations and suspicions. (See the posts under this entry)

    First, my experience: The Lord led my husband and I to learn about Theophostic Prayer Ministry (TPM) back in September 2000. We went through the basic course at that time, and it was an incredible revelation to us both. It helped to address personal issues and family issues in a way that nothing else we’d come across had ever done before (my husband & I have both been involved in church ministry from outreach to leadership). Through the principles I learnt I started to understand more about why I had some of the problems I had which seemed to plague me regardless of how much I prayed, studied, memorized scripture etc.

    I would say that TPM definitely helped save our marriage and also taught me how to help my children through that difficult time. Although the Lord has not yet opened the way for me to be a TPM facilitator, over the last 8 years I have seen this ministry help 4 friends of mine in their journey of recovery from severe sexual abuse which they endured as young children. One of those people was a victim of Satanic Ritual Abuse. The ministry these people received deepened their relationship to the Lord, and their ability to not be co-dependant with other people, enabled them to act appropriately in their relationships and to generally “grow up into Christ in all things.” Each person received emotional healing and stayed in that healing permanently.

    I would say without hesitation that the flood of information on the ‘Net attacking TPM is Satanic in origin. No way does Satan want the body of Christ to understand the principles which the Lord has revealed to people like Dr Ed Smith (he is not the only person to have been shown this method of ministry, but he is the one the Lord led to systematize and structure it so it could be taught to other Christians.)

    There have been some excellent questions asked in the previous posts, and I would like to address those questions, but I won’t because I don’t want this post to turn into a thesis!! 😀 What I might do though is highlight some of the false claims:

    Timothy says in one of his posts:
    Theophostic Prayer Ministry, TPM, is THE KEY to truly overcoming.

    One thing that Ed Smith states quite clearly is that TPM is not going to help everyone. However, if you don’t understand the mechanics of what TPM does (which is expose the wrong beliefs that we unconsciously hold to and how this impacts our daily lives) then you could misinterpret him as saying TPM is the only thing that works. He emphatically states that TPM is only what it is – a tool to help people resolve their problems. Ed states clearly that it does not negate the need for bible study, prayer, discipling and nurturing in the body of Christ.

    (I can see this is going to be a long post, no matter how much I try to keep it short!)

    Timothy also writes:
    Principle Ten is bogus. And this is where it becomes dangerous. To say “ONLY an encounter with the Presence of Jesus” can free us, is to open us to the driven pursuit of the manifestation of Jesus in our lives.

    Once again, if you understood what Ed Smith means in the context of all that he teaches, you would not be so inclined to assume that he is demanding Jesus to crop up in everyone’s life at will.

    Example: I lost a CD which belonged to someone else the other day. I searched and searched. After 5 minutes I asked the Lord where the CD was. Straight away he gave me a picture in my mind where I’d put it last. I went to that place and sure enough…there was the CD.
    Question: Was I wrong to ask the Lord where I put my CD? Should I have wasted His time with my pathetic little problem (let’s face it, he’s got some big problems to deal with). Was that a “driven pursuit” to include Him in that aspect of my life? Of course not! Now, I did not go off into a vision for Jesus to tell me that, and I didn’t hear an audible voice either. He just answered by bringing back a memory picture to my mind. If He would be so kind as to help me find a CD, don’t you think He might also want to help me or anyone else who wonders why they battle with fear/insecurity/grief/guilt/shame/anger/etc? In my experience, (and according to Ed Smith’s clear teaching) the way Jesus reveals answers to each person will be different. Ed allows the Lord to minister to people in whatever way the Lord Himself chooses and WHEN He chooses, and he teaches those in his training program to make sure they do the same.

    Timothy says:
    Does it involve visionization of Jesus??? Yes,it does. This is where I believe we open ourselves up to a spirit guide to reveal things to us. Has anyone heard of a ‘lying spirit’?

    That’s actually incorrect, and is answered in my last paragraph.

    Ed has had much experience in dealing with demonic elements, and he teaches very clearly and in a biblical way how to discern when demons try and pretend to be Jesus. It’s not hard to pick …they can’t help themselves but lie!! A mature Christian who is well grounded in scripture (which is Ed’s recommendation for any who seek to minister TPM) and can discern the Holy Spirit’s leading can tell when this occurs.

    Timothy finishes with the following:
    My Conclusion: TPM is another gospel. It is heresy in that it makes a claim that ‘only’ the method it proposes brings the freedom from sin that God commands. It is set up as a business, for profit, and where money flows the spirit seldom goes. There are certainly negative testimonies of it as well. Its practice mirrors Hinduism and meditation practices found outside of Christianity.

    I can see why you would have written that TPM is another gospel, because your misunderstandings are so numerous! Ed Smith does not teach that TPM is the only method to bring freedom, and his main concerns are not financial ones. Yes, there are negative testimonies of TPM. Hey, would you like me to post some links to YouTube videos posted by atheists who used to be Christians? (Maybe Christianity is false, after all!!!) To say that TPM mirrors Hinduism and meditation is outrageously false. Super-outrageously!

    Lastly, Timothy adds this:
    One person who has been using it, weighing it and is undecided says “I’m starting to see that there could be loads of problems with TPM. Implanting memories, self-deception, hypersuggestability, directing, false accusations, etc.” http://lovegodloveothers.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/theophostic-prayer-min

    I think it quite ironic that this author should accuse TPM of everything that it is not. TPM, when ministered as Ed Smith teaches, never implants memories, does not nurture self-deception, never makes suggestions, and never makes accusations. The only way a person would come to that conclusion would be to go looking for those errors and take Ed Smith’s writings out of context to produce them. Ed was so concerned that TPM be ministered correctly that he has developed guidelines for ministry recipients to read which state clearly that TPM should never include those elements. If the ministry they receive does not match the guidelines, they are encouraged to contact the TPM head office and report that.

    Having been in a seminar of his when he visited Australia in 2004, I can say the following:
    Ed Smith is not a charismatic person, or on any sort of ego trip. He is a practical man who got tired of failing to help the wounded in the church, first as a pastor and next as a qualified counselor. (Can anyone else out there relate to that?) He asked the Lord to help him understand how to help people like Jesus did. The Lord started to show him how to work with people in a way where Jesus was allowed to do what He said He would do: Set the captives free. He is clearly not doing TPM for fame or notoriety because he has been consistently attacked and criticized for his ministry over the last 14 years. He has had to carefully consider all the criticism aimed at him and his ministry, ascertain the legitimate from the lies and false accusations, and then has made appropriate changes when convinced that he has been in error.

    TPM has been spread across the world, not because he employed some fancy marketing strategy, but because the Lord is seeking to equip His body with knowledge and wisdom to help those who have been severely wounded by the enemy. There are some in the body of Christ who have learnt to approach these issues by taking authority over evil spirits, and that is certainly an appropriate thing to do in some cases. But in other cases it doesn’t work – that doesn’t mean that it’s false (as some would say). In the same way, TPM works in some cases and not in others. In both instances, all we can do is seek the Lord to know what to do next.

    Because many well-meaning Christians have taken snippets of his teaching and combined it with other ministry techniques, Ed has had huge problems of misrepresentation (people claiming to do TPM, when they aren’t at all). Those people have created many of the situations which have spawned the criticism against TPM. Consequently, Ed has developed a very thorough training program which seeks to prevent this problem happening in the future. He encourages all students to do ministry in a church setting with the full approval of church leadership and under their authority, the very thing that he does in his own local church even though he is the head of a world-wide ministry.

    I can see from some of Timothy Luke’s other posts on other subjects that he is a godly man who seeks to serve the Lord and build up the body of Christ. For that reason, I would like to respectfully and kindly suggest to him that he ask the Lord to show him how to investigate and research without pre-conceived ideas and suspicions, as these will overshadow how he interprets what he reads.

    As I said before, there are many good questions in this thread, but I think this post has gone on long enough! I hope I have not offended anyone in my reply as that has certainly not been my intent. If anyone would like me to I can do my best to answer some of those other questions.

    PS. The link http://www.gechurch.org/id5.html is a good example of how well meaning people can arrive at wrong conclusions when they do not understand fully what it is they are examining. Their starting premise, comparing the ideas of “Sin-based Theology” vs “Lie based Theology” leads them to the wrong conclusion, and therefore to regard TPM as false. It is a shame that they did not dialogue with someone who could have pointed this out to them.

    • Timothy Luke says:

      Thank you Walk in the Light for your considered response. I was seeking to deal with a person who was looking into TPM. In a ministry the Lord used to heal mightily, I was taught that TPM was a demonic counterfeit and a form of occultism. I was looking for information in that moment. As you can see, I posted two items directly from Ed’s site.

      I know that any good ministry will have those who say it is of the devil. I do hold fast the points I made, but I am very encouraged to read what you say about Ed Smith’s diligence in overseeing that the concerns I expressed are not the reality in his ministry. My impression has been that a visualization of Jesus was required to overcome baggage of the past. If that visualization is a must, that was my concern. I ask the Lord to bring things to my attention if I have lost them, so I know what you mean there! It was the concern over having a personal appearance of the Lord in all situations as a prerequisite to freedom that had me alarmed.

      Thank you for sharing your experience and for taking the time to respond to my concerns point by point. Well done!

      Blessings and Peace,
      Timothy

      • Walk in the Light says:

        Thank you for taking the time to consider my reply, even if it was 3 months late! 😀

        One would think that with all the information available on the Internet that research would always be easy, but unfortunately, the good info can be swamped by the false or misleading. As always, we pray and seek God’s leading. The challenge is to be open minded enough to follow where He leads.

        Bless you too!

  4. My first impression for all it’s worth. (probably not very much)is that it sounds suspiciously “new agey” to me.

  5. michael says:

    I am not an expert on this, but I’ve met a couple of people who based a lot of their ministries on this Theophostic prayer thing. I understand the central claim is that you somehow get the person to open up about their hurts, and then you get them to “meet Jesus” in the midst of the whole thing, and Jesus sorts it out.

    I am a little bit suspicious, because I am not at all convinced that you can follow a counselling technique and prayer methodology to invoke a powerful revelation of Jesus at will. But here I might be showing my ignorance also. Does someone else know more about this whole method of ministry?

    • warrior daughter says:

      Several questions must be answered about theophostic payer….

      1..Who came up with the idea and what is this person’s views on theology???

      2…Where is the Word of God in theophostic prayer????Is it most important or less important in this ministry?????

      3…Does it involve visionization of Jesus???

      4…Who is able to do this kind of prayer???? Believer only or believer and non-believer???? ie Who is the minister of the prayer????

      5…Is it life changing in the person’s life or just a change for awhile????

      These questions I am asking since I do not know about this type of ministry……….

      • JustAGuy says:

        Warrior Daughter, I will use your questions as a guide. I am researching it as we go.

        1..Who came up with the idea and what is this person’s views on theology??? Dr. Edward M Smith came up with it in the mid 1990’s. He has a Baptist background and is Baptist still from what I see.

        2…Where is the Word of God in theophostic prayer????Is it most important or less important in this ministry?????

        Theophostic Prayer Ministry, TPM, is THE KEY to truly overcoming. It states for example that if you give up drinking, but take up jogging to replace it and its urges, you are in a ‘works based’ mode and have not truly overcome the problem. Here are a couple principles from their website:

        Principle Nine: When We Receive Truth from God in Memories Where We Harbored Lie-Based Thoughts, We Can Walk in Effortless Victory in These Areas

        Principle Ten: Only an Encounter with the Presence of Jesus through the Holy Spirit Can Free Us from the Lies We Believe

        I happen to believe principle nine to a point, but believe the ‘effortless’ part is merely his way of describing deliverance from an evil spirit’s influence, in that area. When we take our thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ, we often have to confess the lies we believe. Eph 4:26 is the model I use to understand a stronghold. Strongholds begin with events many times. We either sanctify our thoughts as we deal with untoward events, or we are open territory to the devil expanding influence in our lives.

        Principle Ten is bogus. And this is where it becomes dangerous. To say “ONLY an encounte with the Presence of Jesus” can free us, is to open us to the driven pursuit of the manifestation of Jesus in our lives. There are many false Christs that would love to answer that call. Jesus is not a genie, nor is the Holy Spirit, that we can call up whenever we desire. To equate true freedom with encountering Christ, and having this revelation being only 15 years old, maybe, is to say no one before has been freed from the lies they believed.

        The apostles surely would have taught this technique if the church were commanded to overcome and yet was not taught ‘how’ to overcome. I have seen true freedom, and have experienced it in my own life without conjuring up a walk with Jesus.

        RED FLAG! Doug, you are right. It sounds typically ‘new agey’.

        3…Does it involve visionization of Jesus??? Yes,it does. This is where I believe we open ourselves up to a spirit guide to reveal things to us. Has anyone heard of a ‘lying spirit’?

        4…Who is able to do this kind of prayer???? Believer only or believer and non-believer???? ie Who is the minister of the prayer???? I came upon a source that said non-christians can do TPM

        5…Is it life changing in the person’s life or just a change for awhile???? As with anything, I am sure for some the change can be indefinite and others can ‘lose’ it. Becoming demon possessed can be ‘life changing.’

        My Conclusion: TPM is another gospel. It is heresy in that it makes a claim that ‘only’ the method it proposes brings the freedom from sin that God commands. It is set up as a business, for profit, and where money flows the spirit seldom goes. There are certainly negative testimonies of it as well. Its practice mirrors Hinduism and meditation practices found outside of Christianity.

        One person who has been using it, weighing it and is undecided says “I’m starting to see that there could be loads of problems with TPM. Implanting memories, self-deception, hypersuggestability, directing, false accusations, etc.” http://lovegodloveothers.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/theophostic-prayer-ministry-the-other-side/

        Blessings and Peace,
        Timothy

        SOURCES:

        TPM Home Website: http://www.theophostic.com/content.asp?ID=8
        A Critical Review: http://www.gechurch.org/id5.html

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