The Bible: Key to Successful Democracy

Here is an interesting article that explores the Bible as the foundational key to a flourishing democracy. I am quoting one part, but encourage you to click the link and read the whole article and make comments…

 

The cancer at the heart of America’s political economy is cultural. This great nation was built by an ethic – a spirituality that taught citizens to work, earn, save, invest, and use their wealth to serve their neighbors. This biblical ethic has been replaced by secularism’s entitlement culture that teaches people that they have a right to this, that and the other without corresponding obligations to work, save, and serve.

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  1. lookinforacity says:

    Democracy
    A form of government in which all citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Ideally, this includes equal (and more or less direct) participation in the proposal, development and passage of legislation into law. It can also encompass social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination.

    According to some theories of democracy, popular sovereignty is the founding principle of such a system.
    While there is no specific, universally accepted definition of ‘democracy’, equality and freedom have both been identified as important characteristics of democracy since ancient times. These principles are reflected in all citizens being equal before the law…… Wikipedia

    Republic
    A form of government in which the people, or some significant portion of them, retain supreme control over the government. The term is generally also understood to describe a government where most decisions are made with reference to established laws, rather than the discretion of a head of state…… Wikipedia

    Origin of the term
    In Medieval Northern Italy a number of city states had commune or signoria based governments. In the late Middle Ages, writers, such as Giovanni Villani, began thinking about the nature of these states and the differences from the more common monarchies. These early writers used terms such as libertas populi, a free people, to describe the states.
    The terminology changed in the 15th century as the renewed interest in the writings of Ancient Greece and Rome caused writers to prefer using classical terminology. To describe non-monarchial states writers, most importantly Leonardo Bruni, adopted the Latin word res publica.

    While Bruni and Machiavelli used the term to describe the states of Northern Italy, which were not monarchies, the term res publica has a set of interrelated meanings in the original Latin. The term can quite literally be translated as “public matter”.
    It was most often used by Roman writers to refer to the state and government, even during the period of the Roman Empire.
    The English word commonwealth is a calque res publica, and its use in English is closer to how the Romans used the term res publica.

    Today the term republic commonly means a system of government which derives its power from the people rather than from another basis, such as heredity or Divine right. This remains the primary definition of republic in most contexts……Wikipedia

    Therefore we can see , these forms of Government derive their power from the PEOPLE, not from GOD.
    Oddly enough both Democracy, and Republic, have their tap roots set deeply in two of the worlds greatest Hedonistic, Pagan societies (Greece, Rome), as their feeble attempt at ruling themselves.
    Paul very accurately describes, these two Empires, Romans chapter 1.

    So then any Authority that has not been God ordained, is in actuality a counterfeit of that true God given Authority.
    Which is exactly what Satan does, counterfeiting everything God has done, thereby drawing people deeper into deception.

    In closing, a not so famous quote…..
    Any form of Government, unless established, and appointed by God, is corrupt.
    Therefore any World Order for a Christian is dangerous.

    Be Blessed
    JIM

    • dresserandkeeper says:

      “Therefore we can see , these forms of Government derive their power from the PEOPLE, not from GOD.”

      Who does God move through?People. Who establishes Gods ordained governments? People. God gave us government, just because people execute it does not mean it’s pagan. “Obviously, if men were perfectly sinless, there would be no need for human government; but, since every man has tasted of Adam’s fallen nature, God instituted human government for the overall peace and safety of civil people. No man is a law unto himself–including people in government!”
      Like you said satan does try to counterfeit but that doesn’t mean the real thing doesn’t exist. You would imply that our founding fathers were pagans because they loved liberty and freedom for the people? Should they rather have chosen communism? Should people not strive to govern themselves justly with Gods law? The law of Moses is what the Constitution of the United States is modeled after, hardly a pagan origin wouldn’t you agree?

      “In closing, a not so famous quote…..
      Any form of Government, unless established, and appointed by God, is corrupt.
      Therefore any World Order for a Christian is dangerous. ”

      Perhaps I am missing your point here, but it sounds like your saying all governments are bad unless it’s God himself elected president in the flesh. Could you elaborate?
      I would agree that the only government that will truly function correctly will be Gods kingdom, is that what you mean?

      Edit: Your post troubles me, you try to compare the God ordained nation of the United States to a pagan origin and hint that USA is not God ordained at all but merely a false devil serving mockery of God. You are wrong in that and you must not know American History very well. Another thing is that you loosely use the term world order. That is a big jump my friend to go from the topic here to world order. While we have gotten away from our more Godly beginnings and are frighteningly embracing a more “world order” today, America is NOT A WORLD ORDER. The power was placed as far as possible from a centralized power as you mention. The power here rests in the counties and states, not the “world”, or national government. Regardless of what we see trying to be done today local power is how it began, not from some all out pagan society, but from mostly men who feared God and worshiped him and wanted to be governed after his just design.

      Please do not compare my country to a pagan world order without learning your American History from somewhere other than wiki. I have heard Jehovah Witnesses speak in the same manner and claim to be Christians as well. Your post strangely reminds me of that mental position.

      I have great respect for the God ordained government here in America, despite it’s ungodly doings today. I know why it was formed the way it was, trust me it was not to serve satan, or to create a world order as you say.

      Another comparison that you are mistaken on is USA to Greece and Rome. Both are very different than our constitutional republic. Although I do see similarities in the direction that they went and the fall of these empires, our origin and constitution differs. People today do very much remind me of Greece and Rome before their fall, but again the origins stand in stark contrast.

      I humbly request that you please research American History (the topic of my reply to Tim’s post) a little better before you reply with more insinuations that this great nation is nothing more than a pagan world order.

      Samuel Adams-
      “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”

  2. dresserandkeeper says:

    Interesting article, and perhaps I am getting off the point that you are after (I think your main point was serving one another?)…but I just wanted to put in my 2 cents, and this happens to be a subject that I love discussing. It bothers me to hear the word democracy used as if that is the form of government we are supposed to function under here in the USA. We are a republic and the differences are major and need to be clarified.

    That said I do agree with the biblical principals of “work, earn, save, invest, and use their wealth to serve their neighbors.”

    A famous quote…”democracy is a stepping stone to communism”…..another, “democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.”

    I guess what I’m saying is there is no such thing as a “successful democracy” and certainly no such thing as a “biblical based successful democracy”.

    Thank you for posting this article and for the chance to reply. I encourage you to research some about the beginnings of our republic, the constitution, and it’s biblical foundations. God bless….

    • dresserandkeeper says:

      I just wanted to add how much I agree with the point that the Bible is what got us where we are today. I guess what caught my eye more was the use of the word democracy.

      My apologies if I hijacked your post and took it into a different direction, at the same time perhaps a discussion regarding my point could be constructive?

    • Timothy Luke says:

      You bring up an excellent point. Are we not a 'democratic republic'? Democracy underscores the individuality of our society and the Republic underscores the governing mechanisms by which the democracy functions….

      This is just going off the top of my head, but please share your thoughts on the republic!

      • dresserandkeeper says:

        We are actually supposed to be (atleast it started that way) a constitutional republic. There is absolutely no democracy, even though it is a word we hear frequently and are told regularly to believe. The constitution alone underscores individuality of our society. In fact a democracy does nothing to promote individuality. Basically in a democracy the mob rules, or a more politically correct term might be the majority rules. A true constitutional republic is based off of local government not national or federal, the power rests in the hands of the people and the rights of the individual are protected to the best that they can be. That is why the constitution left the power of government in the hands of the states, even though we don’t see that today. It is sad to see how we have given up our rights given to us by God himself for the belief that our rights come from government.

        Another interesting comparison to today and the time that our constitution was written is the stance of the church. I wish the church today was more like the one in those days.what came from the pulpits back then was a far cry different that the “obey the government unconditionally” themes we hear today. Many of the great leaders of revolution in fact came from the pulpits and their congregations followed them. I think that if we could get our minds wrapped around the fact that the higher power in our country is “we the people”, real change could begin. Instead we have it in our heads, that to commit any civil disobedience is a sin, whether we be obedient to just or unjust laws. I believe it to be the exact opposite…obedience to unjust laws is a sin when you are the one holding the power to make the same laws just.

        I don’t have time to write much more detail now, I have to get to church…prayer night:), but I will look forward to your reply and further discussion on this topic.

        • dresserandkeeper says:

          I’m back from church now…no replies yet I see so I might as well throw in some more tidbits. (Thanks Tim, for letting me rant on your blog)

          Neither the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution even mention the word “democracy”.

          Our founding fathers feared democracy as much as monarchy. That was the reason for a constitutional republic. The people have no obligation whatsoever to the government other than to tell it what to do. They knew the histories of democracies and wanted to ensure that it wasn’t a part of our system.

          The main difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic is that the latter has a constitution to LIMIT THE POWERS OF THE GOVERNMENT through a system of checks and balances of power in the three branches of government. A system that is pretty much being ignored today due to the peoples fear of the government and/or pure laziness to do anything about it. Now we have gotten so far from the truth most people don’t even know the difference, and most Christians justify their lack of involvement by quoting Romans 13.

          Not many people today are willing to give their “lives, fortunes, and sacred honor” to defend the republic or their constitution.

          This is a list of clergy in the American Revolution:

          * Moses Allen, a minister in Midway, Georgia
          * James Francis Armstrong, a Presbyterian minister in Trenton, New Jersey
          * Francis Asbury, one of the first two bishops of the Methodist Episcopal Church in the United States
          * Isaac Backus, a Baptist preacher
          * Joel Barlow
          * Blackleach Burritt, Presbyterian clergyman in New York
          * James Caldwell (clergyman), clergyman in New Jersey
          * John Carroll (bishop), A Catholic priest in Maryland, later the first Catholic bishop and archbishop in the United States and founder of Georgetown University
          * Myles Cooper, an Anglican priest in colonial New York
          * Manasseh Cutler, an American clergyman, a Congress representative and a founder of Ohio University
          * Naphtali Daggett, Presbyterian Church pastor
          * Jacob Duché, chaplain to the Continental Congress
          * Timothy Dwight IV, a Congregationalist minister, and president of Yale College
          * William Emerson Sr., a minister and grandfather of Ralph Waldo Emerson.
          * John Gano, the founding pastor of the First Baptist Church in New York City
          * Pierre Gibault, a Jesuit missionary
          * Gideon Hawley, a missionary to the Iroquois Indians in Massachusetts
          * Samuel Kirkland, a Presbyterian missionary among the Oneida and Tuscarora people
          * John Larkin (Deacon of Charlestown), a First Congregational Church minister in Charlestown, Massachusetts
          * William Linn, the first Chaplain of the United States House of Representatives
          * Samuel Magaw, clergyman and educator from Pennsylvania
          * Frederick Valentine Melsheimer, a Lutheran clergyman and called the “Father of American Entomology”
          * Joseph Montgomery, an American Presbyterian minister and a delegate to the Continental Congress from Pennsylvania
          * Peter Muhlenberg, a clergyman in Pennsylvania
          * John Murray (minister), a pioneer minister; sometimes recalled as founder of the Universalist denomination in the United States
          * Samuel Phillips Payson, ministered for the town of Chelsea, Massachusetts
          * Richard Peters (cleric), the rector of Christ Church in Philadelphia.
          * Samuel Seabury, the first American Episcopal bishop, the second Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church, USA, and the first Bishop of Connecticut
          * Josiah Smith (clergyman), a clergyman in colonial South Carolina who championed the causes of the evangelical style of the Great Awakening and later American independence
          * William Smith (Anglican priest), the first provost of the University of Pennsylvania
          * Elihu Spencer, invited to North Carolina by that colony’s provincial congress to convince loyalist congregations to join the patriot cause
          * John Witherspoon, a signatory of the United States Declaration of Independence as a representative of New Jersey. He was both the only active clergyman and college president to sign the Declaration
          * David Zeisberger, a Moravian clergyman and missionary among the Native Americans in the Thirteen Colonies

          The bible is the “key to the Constitutional Republic” but it requires some backing by good men to “unlock” it’s power in our government.

          When Ben Franklin was asked what form of government this was he answered, “A republic if you can keep it”.

          John Adams-
          “It is the duty of the clergy to accommodate their discourses to the times, to preach against such sins as are most prevalent, and recommend such virtues as are most wanted. For example, if exorbitant ambition and venality are predominant, ought they not to warn their hearers against those vices? If public spirit is much wanted, should they not inculcate this great virtue? If the rights and duties of Christian magistrates and subjects are disputed, should they not explain them, show their nature, ends, limitations, and restrictions, how muchsoever it may move the gall of Massachusetts.”

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