Some Bible Translations to avoid

No this is not a pitch for the KJames. It is an example of how some versions or translations are very poor. If I would pitch for any it would be the New American Standard.

The first one to watch out for is Eugene Petersons New Age Bible called the Message. Here is some great information about it.

http://www.crossroad.to/Bible_studies/Message.html

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/message.htm

http://www.bible-researcher.com/themessage.html

Then you have the no gender bible

http://www.cbmw.org/Articles/

The Living Bible

http://www.bible-researcher.com/lbp.html

Some strange information regarding some translators:

J. B. Phillips (1906-1982), translator for the Phillips Translation
PHILLIPS HAD VISITATIONS FROM A DEAD MAN: “A few days after (C. S. Lewis’) death, while I was watching television, (Lewis) ‘appeared’ sitting in a chair within a few feet of me, and spoke a few words which were particularly relevant to the difficult circumstances through which I was passing.” from J. B. Phillips, “Ring of Truth”. Macmillan Company, 1967, pp 118-119.
PHILLIPS CALLED THE ASCENSION OF CHRIST A PARABLE (Ring of Truth, p. 107).

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Dr. Robert Bratcher, chief translator of Today’s English Version (TEV), also published as the Good News Bible
“If we build our faith wholly on the Bible, then we are building our faith on shifting sand. We must follow the facts or there is nothing to believe. We cannot literally follow Jesus, only go in his direction.” (The Greenville News, Greenville, South Carolina, November 8, 1970.)
“Only willful ignorance or intellectual dishonesty can account for the claim that the Bible is inerrant and infallible … To invest the Bible with the qualities of inerrancy and infallibility is to idolatrize it, to transform it into a false god.” (as quoted in Faith for the Family, Greenville: Bob Jones University, Sept. 1981. Note: the Bob Jones publication did not agree with Bratcher’s position.)
“We are not bound by the letter of Scripture, but by the spirit. Even words spoken by Jesus in Aramaic in the thirties of the first century and preserved in writing in Greek, 35 to 50 years later, do not necessarily wield compelling authority over us today.” (The Baptist Courier, Apr. 2, 1981; the Courier is the South Carolina SBC state paper.)

What do YOU think?

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  1. Charles sparks says:

    Here is the thing about scripture. All we need to know to live a life in Christ is plain. Even in the kjv. Some parts are meant to make us pause and reflect for a reason. What happens with bibles like the Message or even the NLT(Which is one I have) is the particular way it words things doesn’t flow with the text. One verse makes it sound like we choose what controls us. Romans 8:6 only problem with that is if we don’t have the spirit(mentioned a verse or two later) then we can’t choose since only one option is available. Then we have the issue of control. Who is controlling what? Are we being controlled or are we controlling? It’s not both nor does scripture allow for a view. Read Phil 2:13 and now all the absolutes mentioned in Romans 8 makes sense. Even the John 3:16 is clear. It makes the point as to what capacity Christ came in. If we use bibles like the Message the thinking is done for us where the text needs to have time spent on it and constantly reexamined in order that we let scripture explain itself in quite time fully focused on the word of God. Do I condemn those who use the Message? Not in anyway.

  2. No Bible translation is perfect, but the KJV is one of the better ones. I’d count it as “old but good”. To people who don’t like the NIV, I think you’d see things in perspective if you compared it with some of the others out there – the so-called translations that were made to push a particular cultural or theological angle.
    Someone already mentioned a “no gender” version. No kidding? And with post-modernists treating everything as being customizable to their preferences, I expect we’ll see worse than that in future.
    Then there are the cult versions – such at the New World Translation, produced by the WatchTower Bible and Tract Society. For those of you who don’t know – that’s the Jehovah’s Witnesses. They have their very own version of the Bible – beware of it! It changes things all over the place. And they are not the only ones.
    Anytime people like that quote Bible verses, check them out in an accepted mainstream translation – like the NKJV, the NASV, or the NIV.

  3. evstevemd says:

    Here is my experience on the issues of the Bible. I was having a KJV and NKJV and NIV. I was using them in Bible study, and I was very baby Christian. Guess what? I found some verses disturbing me and I noted in piece of paper (I’ll find that paper, and I will write them) No body told me. That was first step towards investigation of this. I found errors(If you call them so), in many versions I respected. One of these disturbing error is doctrine of salvation, which is the central doctrine of Christianity. see here what it says and decide for yourself:
    1 Corinthians 1:18

    1.NIV: For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

    2. NKJV: For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God

    3. Amplified: For the story and message of the cross is sheer absurdity and folly to those who are perishing and on their way to perdition, but to us who are being saved it is the [manifestation of] the power of God

    4. NASB: For the word of the cross is (A)foolishness to (B)those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is (C)the power of God.

    5.KJV: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God

    Are you saved or you are being saved? I was saved by the Blood of Jesus at the instance of my confession. His blood washed me and I was translated from Kingdom of darkness to Kingdom of Light. And as long as I live my confession I’m saved. What is the meaning of being saved? I always count this as fingerprint of Catholic doctrine of salvation by works which is a process. This makes sense, when you know that modern versions have relations with Codices Alexandrinus and Sinaiticus which one was found in Catholic monastery and another in Vatican. This is one of many serious thing I found in many Modern Bible. So After deep searching and comparison, I stick with My Old good KJV and I got rid of My NIV and NKJV.

    About the Message Paraphrase:
    John 3:16 MSG
    “”This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life. God didn’t go to all the trouble of sending his Son merely to point an accusing finger, telling the world how bad it was. He came to help, to put the world right again. Anyone who trusts in him is acquitted; anyone who refuses to trust him has long since been under the death sentence without knowing it. And why? Because of that person’s failure to believe in the one-of-a-kind Son of God when introduced to him.”

    John 3:16 KJV
    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

    Which one is easy to understand? Can anyone use the Message to tell me what It really says? It have distorted the message of the passage.

    Here is interesting Conversations that many Christians are familiar:
    Genesis 3 the MSG:
    1 The serpent was clever, more clever than any wild animal God had made. He spoke to the Woman: “Do I understand that God told you not to eat from any tree in the garden?”

    2-3 The Woman said to the serpent, “Not at all. We can eat from the trees in the garden. It’s only about the tree in the middle of the garden that God said, ‘Don’t eat from it; don’t even touch it or you’ll die.'”

    4-5 The serpent told the Woman, “You won’t die. God knows that the moment you eat from that tree, you’ll see what’s really going on. You’ll be just like God, knowing everything, ranging all the way from good to evil.”

    6 When the Woman saw that the tree looked like good eating and realized what she would get out of it—she’d know everything!—she took and ate the fruit and then gave some to her husband, and he ate.

    7 Immediately the two of them did “see what’s really going on”—saw themselves naked! They sewed fig leaves together as makeshift clothes for themselves.

    8 When they heard the sound of God strolling in the garden in the evening breeze, the Man and his Wife hid in the trees of the garden, hid from God.

    How do you understand that, suppose you haven’t heard that story before?

    Can anyone tell me what this mean, If I didn’t read any Bible?
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=eph%204;&version=65;
    What about my accusation of its new age message?
    See this and conclude yourself!
    Genesis 15:8
    Abram said, “Master God, how am I to know this, that it will all be mine?”

    Exodus 5:22
    Moses went back to God and said, “My Master, why are you treating this people so badly? And why did you ever send me? From the moment I came to Pharaoh to speak in your name, things have only gotten worse for this people. And rescue? Does this look like rescue to you?”

    Jeremiah 4:10
    Then I said, “Alas, Master God! You’ve fed lies to this people, this Jerusalem. You assured them, ‘All is well, don’t worry,’ at the very moment when the sword was at their throats.”

    In Short Check this:
    http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index.php?search=master%20god&version1=65&searchtype=all&limit=none&wholewordsonly=no&startnumber=126&startnumber=176&startnumber=251

    and this:
    http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/index.php?search=master+Jesus&searchtype=all&version1=65&spanbegin=1&spanend=73

    So Draw conclusion out of your own research and reason!

    With Love of Jesus
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    Tit 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live sober

    • Has anyone else noticed that it is more difficult for us to quote verses among ourselves because we do not have a common translation? How can we converse when we quote verses that make each other scratch our head and wonder, “is THAT what the Bible said?”, or “which verse is THAT?”.

      I believe the multitude of translations has taken our ability to quote scripture to each other and will only get worse as a new generation arises that may not know the KJV. What are your thoughts on that?

      Blessings and Peace,
      Timothy

      • it took you time to memorize verses from a particular translation.

        it will take time to memorize verses from a newer translation.

        big deal. the question is the the translation accurately capture the meaning of the original language..

        trust me, there are a lot of places in the KJV where it doesn’t because the english is too old.

        just because one is comfortable and familiar with a translation, it doesn’t necessarily mean it is more accurate or easier to understand, especially for another person, be it a new believer or and old one.

    • I’m a simple man. I’m not a fancy theologian.

      But when I was a young boy, my grandma, a godly woman who led me to Jesus, always told me to only read King James. She had a big black king James family Bible that was big enough to “choke a horse!” it had been in the family for generations,..it last belonged to her mama, and it was torn and stained with tears. But it was precious and dearly loved.

      As the years went on, I fell into a trap and forgot Grandma’s admonition and used a NIV for a time, but after some time, and prayer (when I discovered that it left out the virgin birth,) I threw it in the trash and got a Bible very similar to my Grandma’s. It is an old, thick, black family King James bible just like hers, and I made a quality decision before the Lord that that is what I’m sticking with.

      They can argue till their blue in the face. I’m sticking with it.

      I also have a Bible card for my Palm pilot…that too is king James.

  4. jesseedavis says:

    Is it right to consider a paraphrase Bible God’s Word? How can you tell if a version of the Bible was translated correctly or from the correct texts? Does God do any of the translating or does He just sit back and let us try to figure it out for ourselves? If He does, does He translate all or just some of it here and there? If He doesn’t, are all the translations we read just products of opinions, experiences, views, etc. and should we trust them?

    Also, some questions I have about the original texts and manuscripts. How do we know if something was added in or if something was taken away? Is the “older in time, closer in geography” rule reliable in determining if texts were the originals or closest to the originals? How can we be sure that texts that were written closer in time and place were not messed with and the ones later on were restored to the original? Lastly, if God’s Word has always been and always will be, according to Jesus’ own teachings, should we trust in texts that just pop up over texts that have been around?

    I have a lot more, but I think I’ll leave it at that.

  5. Hey man,

    The Message is a great paraphrase. It’s great for it’s everyday language. We live in a post-Christian part of the world so, many people can find the truth of God’s love without reading something in the 1950’s. Great ministries like XXXChurch are using it so chill out.

    It’s not a “New Age” Bible. What exactly is a “new age” Bible anyway? It is the Bible paraphrased by a highly respected theologian/pastor.

    It doesn’t teach new age. lol

  6. JesusGuideTheWay says:

    I have noticed that the Amplified Bible is very easy 2 read and does’n take away the meaning or the power of the Scriptures. I would deffinatly recommend it 2 new belivers who had trouble with the KJV. Check it out 4 yourselves. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=jn%203;&version=45;

  7. The KJV is for most people hard to understand, mainly because it’s about 400 years old. And there are a lot of translations that try to break it down but end up putting their own understandings instead of actual scripture. The best translation that I’ve found is the Easy-to-Read version. As its title implies, it is very easy to read, and doesn’t add or take away from actual scripture. It is translated line by line from original manuscripts. I’m not trying to pitch a sale for a certain type of bible, but after going through the KJV, NIV, and several others, receiving this version was a great blessing to me.

  8. evstevemd says:

    With Love I can confidently warn you of These so-called Bibles. Listen, don’t even elevate them!
    The Message, Living Translation are just paraphrases of the Bible rather than Bible translation. Just Like commentary. The message is full of New age message and as you can expexct with any paraphrase/commentary, it is that person’s opinions on given text

    God bless you!
    Steve

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    Tit 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live sober

  9. I’m not understanding what the purpose of this MESSAGE bashing is for, Some people don’t understand the KJV of the bible, some people just don’t like to read and other, want to read but get bored stiff trying to read the KJV… Proverbs 29:20 “Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him.”
    Let me make it simple you don’t give a new born steak and expect them to eat it. That stupid, newbies in christ/and some seasoned christian don’t understand the king james verison, the message just breaks it down to the hear and now. 2nd timothy 3:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Don’t bash something if you’ve never tried it before…I’m sorry that i’m not a KJV geru and it takes me to ready both KJV and the MESSAGE to get an understanding…
    What I don’t get it your bashing the MESSAGE but what about THE BOOK or Today’s New International Version or American Standard Version…If your going to point out one make sure you use credible sources and are not bias to one particular book, when there are multiple versions that do the exact same thing… * My words are not intend to offend just to enlighten*
    God is the Source of My life… He is all that I need and more…. 2009 is the year for JOY (Jesus, Others, and You)

    • LaurenCole says:

      in response to the woman who thinks the message is just breaking it down for people: no one has to read the old king james version, first of all. there is the new king james. second of all, the bible’s hidden truths are not supposed to be easy to find, or dumbed down for that matter. God can and reveal truths to us through His word without essential words and phrases being omitted or paraphrased for us. some of the greatest revelations have been based on one word or phrase.

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