Salvation message of the Apostles is totally different from todays salvation taught in most churches part #3

Now let’s look at the doctrine of the old man and the old nature. Now this is going to help you understand why you have problems. Turn to Romans 6:1 ;now has anybody ever read Romans and it confuse you a little bit. I hope to straighten a little bit of this out for you. What shall we say then are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase. May it never be, how shall we who died to sin still live in it, or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into his death; therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death so as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father; we to might, now it says might not that you will, walk in newness of life. Now watch this, for if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death. That’s not just talking about getting dunked in the water. That is not saying because you have been dunked in the water that you have been united with Him in His death.

Baptism in water is a picture of it and it is a requirement, but it is not the uniting in death we are talking about. I will show you later right out of the Bible what that means. Certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, which means you can’t have the resurrection without the death. There is no way you can get raised from the dead if you don’t die. Okay so we are going to have to see what the death is. Now verse 6 which just so happens to be the 6th verse in the 6th chapter of the 6th book of the new testament. So you can remember it as 666. It’s kind of scary. You know what? The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. We don’t have a fear of anything today. Just look at the young people growing up. They don’t have a fear of anything. We have lost the fear of God. The truth will make you free and it will make you fearful of God.

Now verse 6, watch this, knowing this that our old self was crucified with Him, now you got to follow with me here; you have got to understand this. Our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin might be done away with so that we would no longer be slaves to sin. There’s two things here that you have got to see. What’s the first thing? Our old self was crucified with Him. That’s the first thing so that the body of sin might be done away with.

Now let me ask you this; has your body of sin been done away with? Is anyone still sinning? Is sin done away with? No. Was your old self crucified with Him? Yes! Let me show you what this means. You may wonder why do I sin? I’ll show you why in a minute. When you come to Jesus for salvation here is what He does. He kills your old desires and your nature that wants to do wrong. If that is still alive, you did not come to Jesus. You are crucified with Christ. Before you get saved you don’t want to do right.

Before I got saved I used to cuss, drink, smoke, chew, and all that other stuff before I came to Jesus. You know what I did not want to do anything good. I wanted to do bad. My nature was to do bad. I did not want to do something that was good. I could care less about doing good things, but when I came to Jesus my desires changed. When you came to Jesus did your desire change? If it did not change you never came. Your old nature got killed. The old desires died. Okay you want to do right now you don’t want to do wrong. Is that right? But you have a body of sin now that has to be done away with. That’s the process of sanctification that I getting ready to go and show you. That is what you have to deal with now.

When you came to Jesus; He crucified the old man, the old nature that did not want to do right. You now have new desires and you have a new nature, and there is a new man, but you still have a body of sin don’t you? Do you agree you have a body of sin? Has your fist ever done something it should not have done? I have seen anger come out of fingers. I have seen tongues say things they shouldn’t say. I have seen eyes do things they should not do. It’s because you have a body of sin.

This is your problem that you have got to deal with, and if you don’t, guess what? You don’t belong to Jesus. All right let’s go on. It was necessary for that to happen in order so we can now begin to put to death the actual deeds of the body or flesh Paul is referring to in verse 6. If you did not have the desire to live right how could you ever live right? The old nature is dead. It better be. Now then you have a desire to live right. Verse7, for he who has died is freed from sin. In other words when you start dying to the deeds of the flesh and the deeds of the body you are free. That is the only way you will ever get free.

When you come to Jesus believe me you are not free. This is the reason. This will help you if you can understand. When you put to death the deeds of the body you are free from being a slave to sin. You still have this slavery mentality which is a slave to sin. We are going to see this later on as we go on.

Turn to John 8:43 and watch this. When you are born what kind of nature are you born with? You are born with a sin nature which is Satan’s nature. You are born looking just like the devil. Some people say well I married the devil. Well actually you did. If they are not born again. Do you know why you have to get born again? Because you where born wrong the first time. That’s why you get born again. You are born according to the nature of Satan.

Now to John 8:43, Why do you not understand what I am saying, Jesus is talking to these people and if you study this you will see that early on they believed on Him until He started dealing with their sin and then they wanted to kill Him and He is dealing with them. Is it because you can’t here my words. In other words he said you can’t hear what I am saying. Your of your father the devil; now He is talking to the Jewish people and He is really trying to make everybody happy and feel good about themselves. Now you have got to get this picture. Jesus is telling these people there father is the devil and they are thinking are you calling me the devil. How dare you call me the devil! And you want to do the desires of your father; in other words the old nature, the old man, wants to do the desires of Satan. That is why you have to get born again, but that’s not the end that is only the beginning.

You have to go to maturity, and this is he process of sanctification that which without no one will see the Lord. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie he speaks from his own nature. That is the nature of Satan, and that is what we are until we get born again. When we get born again, we get a new nature, the old nature is dead but we got a problem. This is where most people get confused thinking I am supposed to be a new creation. Well you are but you still have a body of sin and you have to start dealing with this. This is sanctification.

Turn to 2 Corinthians 4:7 Now watch this; We have this treasure in earthen vessels so that the surpassing greatness will be of God and not of ourselves, in other words this earthen vessel is a mess, and so when you see God doing something in somebody it is no from the person it’s from God. I know this when I go out to preach or minister to somebody that if I have to rely on myself I am in deep trouble because I got nothing. If Jesus does not show up then I am in big trouble because the powers not in us, it’s not from ourselves but it’s from God. We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed perplexed but not despairing, persecuted but not forsaken, struck down but not destroyed. Now watch verse 10, always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus. Did he say back up there that you had to put to death that body of sin or that the body of sin had to die? That is what that is talking about. We are carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, that’s Romans 6:6, so that the life of Jesus can be manifested in our body.

In other words you will not have the resurrected life of Jesus if you don’t carry the death. If you want the life without the death you will never get it. And the death is the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit. That is what death is. I will show you as we go on. Look at verse 11, for we who live are constantly being delivered. How much? Constantly! Do you ever feel like you are constantly being delivered over to death? Anybody feel like you have been dying? Does anybody have a bunch of junk come on you to kill your flesh? You are constantly being delivered over to death for Jesus sake so that the life of Jesus will also be manifested in your flesh.

In other words you, are supposed to die to everything so that the life of Jesus can come out. If you don’t, the life of Jesus will never come out. Some people do no not want to die to their junk. They love their stuff. They love their anger; they love their rejection; they love their bitterness; they love their whatever more than they love God, and they have not repented. When you repent God will take that away. If he has not taken it away then you have not repented, and you have not died.

Now you could have demonic stuff operating, but when you repent they will go. They will leave. You can say boo devil and he will say okay and he leaves, but if you do not repent they won’t leave. So death works in us but life in you. You see death works and what happens when you die is the life comes. We see here that the dying process of sanctification is a constant work in us before we can have the life of Jesus. It is not unusual for you to have to deal with some sin and some junk. That does not mean that you are not a believer but if you are not dealing with it then you are in trouble, because you are not allowing the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit to work in you, salvation comes through this. Now verse 14, knowing that He who raised the Lord Jesus will also raise us also with Jesus.

In other words, when you allow the death process to work in you then Jesus will raise you up from the dead and give you His life. If you try to save your life by keeping all the stuff, that’s saving your life then He will not raise you from the dead spiritually or physically. You better get His life here before you get the resurrection of the body. If you don’t get it here on this earth by dying to the flesh, and dying to the deeds of the body then you are not going to get it when He raises people from the dead.

Now then go back to Romans 6, now I want to go back to it now that I have shown you these other scriptures. I am going to read again Romans6:6-7. Knowing this that our old self was crucified with him in order that our body of sin might be done away with so that we would no longer be slaves to sin. So you see what I am saying, the sanctifying work of the Spirit is to put to death the deeds of the flesh and then you are not a slave to the sin anymore.

In other words it’s not controlling you. It is not mastering you. Now then Roman’s 7:14, now lets go and look at this scripture. Now everyone uses this scripture to say well Paul did not do what he wanted to do therefore I am in the same boat as Paul; I just have this little problem. So they use Romans 7 as an excuse not to get free. For we know that the law is spiritual but I am of flesh sold in bondage to sin. Now he already said that the old man was dead but you are still sold to the bondage of sin because the body of sin is here. You see what I am saying, the old desire is dead but the body of sin is here, for what I am doing I don’t understand for I am not practicing what I would like to do but I am doing the very thing I hate.

Is anybody there right now? You can’t stay there. That’s the issue. For the good that I want, I don’t do it, but I practice the very evil I don’t want, but if I am doing the very thing I don’t want I am no longer the one doing it but sin which dwells in me. In other words you and I have a little thing in you and me called sin. Sin is alive and well on planet earth. That is what he is saying. I have got a sin issue in me. Well I thought Jesus Christ took all your sin? Well He did, but not if you are walking in it. Paul sees the problem here and he is explaining it to us in Romans 7 and 8. Verse 21, I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.

Anybody ever see any evil in yourself? We have sin living in us. In other words sin is alive. It is almost like a being in a sense. It’s alive and you have got to kill it. How on earth can you kill sin in the flesh, if you have a demon in there promoting it? How if you have a demon of lust or anger will you ever die to lust and anger? When you have got a demon in there promoting it. This is why the church has been so messed up because they ignore the ministry of deliverance.

What do you think a good doctrine of demons is? Awe the devil can’t be in a Christian. If I was the devil that is what I would do. I would promote that. So I would never have to leave. That is going on today. That is a doctrine of demons. Because he already said the devil sinned in the beginning so sin is in you. I am not saying that every sin issue you have is a demon, but many of them are and if you don’t get the demon out, then you will never get rid of the sin.

Okay this again is another good stopping point and I will pick up from here in part #4. Now that the majority of people are wanting to stone me through their computers right about now. I pray that this will open the eyes to many who have been asleep so you can be clothed in the righteous acts of the saints before it is too late because the bride groom is about to return. Will you be ready or will you continue to allow the powers of destruction to over take you and drag you down a path to eternal destruction.

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