Prayer To Remove Sex Demon Possession

As you can imagine, sex demons are the most common among people. And yes, even Christians can have demon possession. Since sexual sin is so prevalent, this is the reason sex demons are most common.

Although not mentioned in the Bible as a sin, masturbation IS an opening to sex demons so it is strongly advised NOT to do so. Especially if you are having regular evil attacks. 

This spiritual warfare prayer will cast the demon out of your life if you are being attacked by it.

Yes, the demons can attack you in your sleep and try to get you to masturbate, orgasm, or even have sex with you. If this prayer does not work immediately, then it is suggested you examine your life, repent, and seek further assistance.

But remember, NO demons will leave you unless you are in a state of righteousness and forgiveness with God. If you are in a state of sexual sin, lust, or anykind of fornication, porn watching, or masturbation, this prayer will be ineffective. 

With slight changes this prayer can be altered and applied to any demon you feel is attacking you.

This should be spoken aloud and it is advised to repeat the parts where you are telling it to leave and for the Holy Spirit Fire to burn the openings until you feel changes. You may even hear screaming. If so, this is very good because the demons HATE the name of Jesus! Praise God!

Prayer

Father in the name of Jesus Christ forgive me for not resisting temptation. Father forgive me for getting pleasure from this sin. Forgive me for everything that is unforgiven now. I am so sorry God. Father close those doorways and break all legal grounds that demons and spirits are using to harm me. I take authority now over all forces of evil and sexual demons harming me now and I destroy your connections to my mind, subconscious, emotions, sexual organs, dreams, past, memories, past sins, desires, eyes, will in my stomach and I destroy your connection to my want and sastisfaction and desire for pleasures now in the name of Jesus. I cast out now all demons of incubus, succubus, Eldora, mare, demons of masturbation and I demand you to leave me now in the name of Jesus. I break now all evil connections attaching to all parts of me and I command you to leave me now and go to the pit in the name of Jesus you are powerless and harmless against me. Your assignment is broken cancelled and destroyed in the name of Jesus Christ who died for my sins. Father please destroy all evil links to me now I have not named. Lord please unhook and remove all remaining demonic attachments to me now in the name of Jesus Christ. Father God take the holy spirit fire and burn all evil impressions, connections, implantations, and residues the evil has left behind and remove them from me now God. God please remove all evil connections to visions, memories, images, pleasures, past experiences things I have seen or thought and burn it all now in Jesus’s name, burn in Jesus’s name, burn in Jesus’s name. Leave me now leave all parts of me go out now in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Lord burn now all evil openings connections, ties, and chords thru which this evil is coming now in the name of Jesus. Burn in Jesus’s name, Burn in Jesus’s name, Burn in Jesus’s name.

 

Now recite a Bible verse-make it different each time you cast out a demon. Then sing a song to Jesus and thank God for the victory.

 

 

 

 

 

What do YOU think?

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  1. GodsKimdomNOW says:

    what are you joking? Christians cant have demons? Didn’t our Lord tell us to cast demons out?!?! of whom? unbleivers so it comes 7 times worse?Matthew 12:43. “When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none.
    44 “Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order.
    45 “Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation.”

    when you get deliverance, you cannot run back to sin, it makes things worse, if you have never cast out a demon then im sorry to say that you dont qualify as a disciple and you can twist scripture upside down to make it look like theres do demons to deal with…

    but believe me you,

    the worldliness that you enjoy will condemn you until you repent and turn your heart over to the Lord and establish Gods kingdom

    oh and Jesus said one major way to establish the kingdom of heaven: Luke 11:20
    Verse Concepts
    “But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you
    New International Version
    But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

    New Living Translation
    But if I am casting out demons by the Spirit of God, then the Kingdom of God has arrived among you.

    English Standard Version
    But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

    New American Standard Bible
    “But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

    King James Bible
    But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

    sad to see you don’t join the fight against the devil, i pray that your eyes be open.

  2. Just would like to add to the discussion of what’s already been expressed in Truth of what Jesus’ ministry is about, directed to this link which has a simple article describing what deliverance is http://www.thechildrensbread.net/intrdelv.htm. Deliverance ministry was and still is an important part of growth into your full salvation. As Paul stated that we are to work out our salvation with fear & trembling – meaning there is a process to it. Deliverance does bring great healing to an individual’s heart, mind, and soul; and should be a part of every Christian’s growth in their walk to their full potential in Christ. If you haven’t gone through any form of deliverance then I strongly encourage you to do so because there is great revelation and understanding that comes with the process of knowing the Lord Jesus as the Deliverer, the Great Physician, and Healer. If the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One (which They are) than that means the Holy Spirit is there to help us through this part of consecration (as this is what deliverance does- consecrate you holy unto the Lord by removing the old and replacing your entire self with the new – what was unholy within you from a life of sin & its consequences, is now being removed to make more room for Him – the fullness of the Godhead abiding in us). Jesus died for us on the cross so that we could experience this healing Power within us and share it with others (so others could be free too)…as this is what Jesus always wanted, our freedom in Him. Please do not disregard such a wonderful gift as His healing Power that delivers us from evil from manifesting in His people. This is why those that have been fully delivered are and can be great witnesses of the Power of the cross. They have been set free within and are now able to express outwardly by & through the Power of the Spirit of God in us to free others. To deny this freedom to ourselves is to deny that same freedom to others. Where is the love in that? Jesus came to show us how to love ourselves as He loves us (in freedom from the whiles of the enemy) and to share this same love with others, to help them to be free also (by freeing ourselves completely so that we can lay our entire lives down for His work to share with others that need it also). By and through this process, we come to love the Lord with all our being (by allowing Him to free us completely & possess us as His own to work through us); then we are able to love others as He loves them. Isn’t this what the whole Gospel is about?

  3. I would like to come in here at a tangent.
    Spirit beings such as angels (good and bad), the Holy Spirit, God and Christ cannot enter into a person, because they already possess their own bodies. When Christ said “Me and my Father are one” or “I am in my Father and He in me”, we must understand that it is a case of being in UNION with each other. The same when we are told to be filled with the Holy Spirit. This not a possession of our bodies.

    Besides other works the angels have they are ministering spirits, that is why they were created.
    They will mislead/deceive us in the case of the fallen angels and this is what they do.
    Demons are totally different. They are disembodied spirits that long to possess a body as we see in the scriptures, animal or human. They do the same work as the fallen angels and more, but from the inside of the body.

    When Jesus spoke to Peter…

    Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men

    …Christ was not rebuking Satan IN Peter, but Satan INFLUENCING Peter. This is why we are told to test every spirit whether they be of God or of Satan.
    Judas was also influenced by Satan and/or his followers. Demons could have been cast out of them if it was that they were possessed by demons, but they weren’t.
    When Jesus was tempted by Satan, He ‘tested’ the spirit and found it not to be of God. He was not possessed!
    I believe if we allow ourselves to be deceived by falling away, then and then only will we make place for demonic possession.

    Not every unbeliever has a demon, although many probably do, but they definitely are being deceived. We do not have to cast out demons whenever we share Christ with an unbeliever.

    I believe that believers can be influenced by the spirits, but I do not believe that they can be possessed by them while they are in Christ.

    Timothy Luke, would it not be more correct to say that ‘deliverance’ which took place in a believer is a case that the satanic influences were bound in him which brought on the change in that person?

    Another thing we are one in Christ here and this debate is causing division between the, I believe, very leaders of this site. Where is the LOVE that new believers or those that are searching for Christ must see if they read this post?

    • Timothy Luke says:

      What then do we mean when we ask the Holy Spirit into our hearts?, or Jesus who says, "I will dwell IN him?"

      There is no schism in the leadership of this site. Michael is the administrator and creator of it. It is his site and as a moderator I support him fully because I agree with him. In areas where I do not agree, I understand he has the responsibility to answer for his beliefs before the Lord for how he leads the boards. Michael takes that very seriously and I always know his beliefs are founded upon a depth of study of the Word, and application of it. "For now we see in part, and know in part," but when Jesus comes we will all know the same set of facts…. will we be able to walk in love? That is the main issue… "though I know all mysteries and have all knowledge, if I have not charity, it profits me nothing."

      Timothy Luke, would it not be more correct to say that 'deliverance' which took place in a believer is a case that the satanic influences were bound in him which brought on the change in that person?

      To answer your question I will give a personal example. My wife had been hurt as a child very seriously. As a Christian, she was very angry about what happened. She had a lot of anger in her heart in general, but when she repented to those she harbored resentment toward, the anger lifted off of her like a cloud. She felt it literally release from her flesh and her mind and body came to a peace they did not have before.

      You and others may read that and debate what happened, but we know what happened. Something from within was tangibly removed, rather than bound in them. The anger had been bound in my wife, as she refused to vent it, however she constantly had to work around it. Then, it was simply GONE.

      Sometimes it may be as you suggest, but not always. The level of influence of evil spirits on Christians, varies. The more we give place to them, the greater the influence until, yes, we may fall away.

      Thank you for dialoging on this in such a kind manner. I don't think we will agree on this, but I am happy to give answer to you.

      • What then do we mean when we ask the Holy Spirit into our hearts?, or Jesus who says, “I will dwell IN him?”

        When it comes to any spirit, excepting for demons, to be IN Christ or inviting the Holy Spirit INTO our life, does NOT mean a bodily entrance. We tend to accept that readily, but how do we explain it when we read:

        Man being IN Christ:
        2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
        Can man enter into Christ? Of course not!

        God being IN Christ:
        2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
        This cannot mean bodily entrance!
        If it is not as I am suggesting, how do you explain:

        Christ IN God:
        Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
        Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

        We do not teach the false theory here of ‘Jesus Only’.
        They are NOT one Person but they are ONE God and that is being in UNION with each other.

        The same as you said about you and Michael:
        “There is no schism in the leadership of this site….It is his site and as a moderator I support him fully because I agree with him.”

        How do you, Timothy Luke, explain what Paul said to the believers in
        2Co 7:3 …. I have said before, that ye are in our hearts….

        and also:
        Phi 1:7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart…

        This is not being possessed, and that is how we have the Holy Spirit in our hearts as well.
        When we have the Holy Spirit in our hearts then it is simply being in union with Him, and we are led by what is in our hearts, we know that!

        Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

        Timothy Luke, pertaining to you personal experience, I don’t doubt something dramatic happened but do we always understand how things work in the spirit realm? If we do not forgive others God will not forgive us and what does all this entail, what are ALL the consequences that hinge on that, we do not know. But if we eventually DO forgive what a dramatic turn of events must take place in the spirit.

        I think to be in union with one another is excellent, but to have a difference of opinion is healthy, the only difference is this should done in love and all three of you were eventually guilty in that. Forgive one another brothers.

        On the ‘more important’ issues of salvation and such we are responsible for the choices we make, that is why it is very clearly written, and there should be no debate on such things.

        I’m sorry this has gone off at a tangent of what the original post was all about, anyway I don’t have much more to add.

        • Timothy Luke says:

          We are all trying to put a spiritual reality into an intellectual conversation. It can be difficult and we need patience with one another, without accusing one another. (Of course, if you see a man kill another, someone needs to accuse them of murder and be a witness to that.) Any indignation I had in that discussion was at the slander of personal character through subtle use of words… but I digress. For surely, if it was more than that, I will go back over my posts and my heart and get it right. I harbor no ill will toward Christopher.

          The bodily indwelling seems to be for you an issue of you have a certain image come to mind when it talks about a spirit entering a person. The image itself is not accurate, and I suggest is possibly borne of a Hollywood "Excorcist" model of spirits and how they enter a person.

          I will speak of this in another blog….

          Blessings and peace to you brother. "if I know all mysteries and have all knowledge, but have not charity, it profits me nothing… charity  suffers long, and is kind, seeks not its own…"

          • My thinking is the obvious perception that if a spirit has a body it does not desire to be possess another but demons CRAVE to dwell in a body for whatever reason, as simple as that.

            I don’t have an issue with ‘bodily indwelling’ nor did I have any image come to mind as you suggest, for that matter.
            You asked me the question of ‘Jesus dwelling IN him’ and’ the Holy Spirit in our hearts’. I was merely answering you as I see it, and using Bible scriptures as we all should do, when making a statement.

            I mentioned before I was not trying to convert you or anybody else to my way of thinking, whether anyone agrees with me or not, is immaterial, simply because it will not keep anyone out of heaven by believing it or not.

            Timothy Luke, I think this subject has been exhausted but if you intend to address my points in another blog I will read it with interest but if not and this will only be your own opinion, then I think we have covered it all and we should be focusing on more important subjects.

            Love in Jesus.
            Barry

          • Timothy Luke says:

            I agree Barry,

            I tend to give what I believe and why so others can know where I am coming from on the issues. I respect your right to walk in your integrity before the Lord. You cannot walk by my faith, and I cannot walk by yours. Each of us gives answer according to the integrity of our heart. Were we faithful in walking in what we recognized as God's truth? That is the issue.

            Please forgive me if my "teacher" mode came across as a means of belittling you or your opinion. I am simply giving answer on why I believe certain things and do not believe other things.

            Have a blessed day… our love in all things is what is important.

          • Timothy Luke, not a problem and I appreciate and accept your apology, thank you. I have seen the love that you and Michael have for Christ, and I am blessed by it.

            This is what this forum is about isn’t it, to submit what we believe or think is right for debate.
            There are not many ‘christians’ that would deliberately be out to sow discord and as I see it Christopher was definitely not one of these, his advice was always hard and straight – although sometimes a bit short on love.

            We need to be aware that our enemy does not sleep, but looks for every opportunity to cause division amongst the children of God.

            Be blessed

      • Read Proverbs 27:17 and Proverbs 3:5-8 perhaps in the nearly 4 years since this conversation started, God has already changed your heart. But pray over these scriptures and ask God to reveal truth to you.

  4. warrior daughter says:

    To possess means to own…A Christian who has severed their relationship with God can very well be taken over by demons…

    Christians that have not severed their relationship with God can be troubled, pressed, buffeted, harassed, depressed, obsessed, oppressed by demons…

    Matthew 6:24
    No man can serve 2 masters; for he will either hate the one & love the other; or else hold to one & despise the other.
    James 3:11,12
    Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water & bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethen bear olive berries? either a vine or figs? so can no fountain both yield both salt water & fresh.
    1 Corinthians 10:21
    Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord & the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table , & the table of devils.
    1 Corinthians 3:16,17
    Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, & that the Spirit of God dwelleth within you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
    1 Corithians 6:19
    What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God & ye are not your own.
    1 John 4:4
    Ye are of God, little children, & have overcome them, because greater is He that is in you; than he {devil} that is in the world.
    1 Corinthians 2:12
    Now we have received not the spirit of the world {demonic} but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given us of God.
    1 John 5:8
    We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he is begotten of God keepeth himself, & that the wicked one toucheth him not.

    There are those who would rather blame everything on demons than to deal with their fleshly problem..
    If the Son therefore shall make ye free ye shall be free indeed..John 8:36
    Resist the devil & he will flee from you…James 4:7

  5. lookinforacity says:

    There is only one thing in the universe that can separate mankind from God, and that one thing is SIN.
    Our entire lives we are separated from God by our sin, but once we accept Jesus’ sacrifice for our sin, we are then reconciled to God through Christ, we are no longer in the mankind realm, but in the Spirit realm we have become NEW CREATURES in Christ.
    As these new creatures we still exist in the flesh, but at the same time, we are dead to the flesh.
    Paul said it like this, take note of verse 38, “Nor Angels, Nor Principalities, Nor Powers.”
    We cannot be possessed by demons after conversion, that would constitute separation

    Rom 8:35-39
    35) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
    36) As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
    37) Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
    38) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
    39) Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Therefore when Paul wrote Rom. he was saying sin abides (LIVES) in our flesh, and the carnal mind is not subject to the law of God.

    Rom 7:14-25
    14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
    15) For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
    16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
    17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
    18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
    19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
    20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
    21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
    22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
    23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
    24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
    25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

    So then God through Jesus Christ has made us dead to the law, dead to the flesh, and thereby free from sin.
    Not free to sin again, because.

    Col 1:13
    Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

    Rom 8:4
    That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    Rom 7:5,6
    5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
    6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

    God knowing that sin resides in the flesh, has made provision for us, by making us dead to the flesh, and alive to the spirit. Therefore even though our flesh may go through the motions of sin, sin is not imputed to us because we are dead to the law.

    Rom 4:8
    Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    Gal 2:19
    For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

    Heb 6:4
    4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
    5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
    6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

    Notice Paul started in verse (4) by saying “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened” and ended by saying in verse (6) “If they shall fall away”
    The “If they shall fall away” does not mean they will or can sin, it refers back to the “It is Impossible” meaning they can no longer sin.

    Rom 8:2
    For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

    Rom 6:1
    1) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    2) God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

    1Jn 3:4,8-9
    4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    Sorry that this has been so long winded, but it all needed to be said, in order for the rest to be understood.

    The question of Can a Christian have a Demon, the short answer “NO” he has been forgiven his sins, he is dead to the law, dead to the flesh, alive to the spirit, and has become the Temple of the living God by the Holy Spirit. What part hath light with darkness. It isn’t just that the Holy Spirit dwells within us, but that we “ARE IN CHRIST”.
    If we could sin, which we cannot, 1 Jon. 3:9 then we could be possessed. But we are no longer in the world.
    “He who is free, is free INDEED”.

    • Another passage of scripture proving that a christian CANNOT have a demon.

      All that is left is inference, deduction, and twisting of the scriptures to say otherwise.

  6. dresserandkeeper says:

    spirit, soul, and body. when your saved no demons can occupy your spirit, because Jesus is there. however there are 2 more parts to us, the soul and body. cancer can posses the body and bitterness can possess the soul. these are demons/unclean spirits whatever you want to call them.

    I am being very brief here just to support my brothers saying that after salvation you can have unclean spirits in you. Not in your spirit, but in your soul and body.

    The teaching that demons cant be in a child of God is a myth, and misunderstood. You have to understand that there are 3 parts to us.

    Timothy Luke and Michael are right in this teaching. Even Jesus spoke to devils in believers. We should follow his example and not the “traditions” of men.

    • The myth is that we are body/soul/spirit. But I can see where you get it from:
      And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you, and may your whole spirit [a current of air, that is, breath] and soul [breath, that is, (by implication) spirit] and body [the body (as a sound whole)] be preserved blamelessly at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
      (1Th 5:23)

      But to divide it into separate compartments each able to be inhabited by a demon is just crazy. I would state that this passage means: Our Spirit: by implication breath, by implication speech be found without sin; Our Soul: by implication breath, by implication our life or way of thinking be found without sin; Our Body, the physical portion of our existence, not be found in sin.

      This separation is a Greek way of thinking that has permeated the church. According to 1 Corinthian 6 our bodies are part of the body of Jesus and he has no demon in him.

      The Greeks taught that one could be very religious with their minds and hearts, but still profane their bodies by joining with a prostitute.

      Bitterness is not a demon, an outside influence controlling our actions, it is a sin something you choose to do. Bitterness is the response to an outside action.

  7. A christian can be oppressed by the devil but a spirit filled christian can not have a demon living inside of them.No where in scripture do we ever see this happening.Its really that simple,we can open a foot hold for Satan and we can walk away from God totalley to where we can have demons living inside of us if we chose that path but a person praying in the spirit,bible believing,God fearing person can not have a demon living inside of them.Its that simple.

    • It is not that simple. From personal experience I can tell you that Christians can have demons. That is one reason Jesus taught us to pray: “Deliver US from the evil one” and why Paul said, “neither give PLACE to the devil”.

      • Nope beloved you’re getting it wrong. I tried to get what you meant but I see that you just misplaced the scriptures…. Christians can be demon oppressed not demon possessed .If you have Christ inside of you that’s what makes you a Christian… A Christian is a Christian… But a careless Christan can now be demon oppressed while he/she still calls on God… Hoping that one day he/she will be entirely free when the Son of God fully comes in by he/she’s readiness

        • You are making a common error. This error assumes, without biblical proof, that if Jesus Christ is in you, nothing else can be. The truth is that there are many areas of a human being, and there are usually areas in which the Lord Jesus Christ is not in effective control.

          Sin can still dwell in the Christian. How could this be, the argument could go, if Christ is there? I can’t see why Christ and sin can be in the same body, but not Christ and a demon.

          Of course, it is desirable that no sin dwell in us.

          We have to take hold of our inheritance by faith and drive out the demons. It is the same with healing. “By His stripes you WERE healed” (1 Peter 2:24) and yet many Christians are sick. I can “prove from the Bible” that sickness is impossible for a Christian but it wouldn’t be correct.

      • What would recommend a Christian to do in such case..? We already have different interpretations becos we understand differently. The scripture is given to interpret our lives and not our lives or experience to interpret the scripture. When u read a book and you don’t understand, if it’s possible to get to the author, that ‘ll ease a lot of trouble. Brethren, Ask THE Holy Ghost.
        .

    • Kristian says:

      Christians can be oppressed by demons but a spirit filled christians that prays to God and lives as close to Jesus as they can can’t be possessed darkness can not live where light is . (Evil can’t live in the body when you already have God’s spirit inside) yes we as Christians get attacked by demons usually in things we don’t even realize is demonic that’s way we have to put on the full armor of Christ .

  8. bornagainbytheblood says:

    Redbuck40 wrote: “A true Christian CANNOT HAVE A DEMON!”

    That is absolutely true. If a person is possessed by a devil, then that person is a child of the devil. However, a child of God can be oppressed by the devil through the mind; that’s why it’s important to know your enemy and to be prepared mentally through prayers, fastings and absorbing the Word perpetually. Don’t give the devil a toehold to your mind! If you let up on your spiritual exercises, the devil will wreck havoc on your mind, and down you will go. If he can’t sink you completely by making you give into sin, he’ll at the very minimum oppress your mind to the point that you won’t think you’re saved any longer.

    • Timothy Luke says:

      One may debate this according to your faith, but with my own eyes and ears I have seen the nicest Christians delivered of evil spirits that tormented them… while they were followers of Christ. We get into linguistics over 'possessed' 'oppressed' etc. but I am saying many Christians have literally felt and heard evil spirits come out of them when they addressed certain sin areas. With all due respect, I must stand by what I have witnessed and what the Word confirms at best and does not deny at least. Many many people whom you would bring before me as Christian saints, may indeed have spiritual strongholds where the enemy is indeed within. There is no scripture – just theological reasoning that is faulty – to prove what you are stating as fact in this one regard.

      • “I must stand by what I have witnessed and what the Word confirms at best and does not deny at least”.

        I can show you a christian who was being blessed whilst living in sin and wickedness, does this mean that to live in sin is “alright” indeed I can point to a scripture that states that God chose to bless a outright wicked king, does this mean that God approves of wickedness? 2 Kings 14:25

        The problem I find is that when it is not found in scripture people go looking for an obscure passage that neither confirm nor deny the possibility. It is like the person who once said “don’t you consider those who are born into a christian home christians?” Or the most well known teaching that “babies will go to heaven when they die”. It is not found in scripture, but what the hey, LETS TEACH IT LIKE IT SHOULD!

        I find it interesting that with all the examples of people in scripture that behaved in a much less than Godly way, there is not even a hint that any of them be delivered from a demon: Simon of Samaria, Ananias and Sapphira, the Apostle Paul (Romans 7), the man in 1 Corinthian 5 (who was not to be delivered FROM Satan but TO Satan), and Jezebel (Rev 2:20).

        You have been hoodwinked into believing that this teaching is from God. If christians needed to be delivered from demons then it would be considered a vital part of salvation and would be made crystal clear in scripture, just like the other teaching is. We are told clearly to have faith, to believe on the Lord Jesus, to be immersed in water, and be filled with the Spirit. We are also told that the apostles taught the early church what Jesus had taught them, but I have yet to find one passage where it is taught clearly that a believer can have an evil spirit inhabit them.

        In James we are told that our temptations do NOT come from outside but from within. But since it does not mention evil spirits will you add them?

        We are told to stand firm and Satan will flee, this is not deliverance. We are told to overcome that is not deliverance.

        It is false teaching like this that has caused the downfall of many a person. What you are teaching is contrary to sound doctrine, it is not God’s word, but a doctrine of demons. Whether people have “witnessed” many things or been “told” about effects is irrelevant. The only relevance here is God’s word. If it is not found clearly in God’s word, it should not be taught like it is.

        • I am really impressed by you,you must be a teacher of the word.I have read allot of comments on here for almost a year now and some people know how to put scriptures together but you put them together to where they make sense.I hope you will keep commenting on this sight because you are good at challenging some people and I see they dont like it but pride goes before a fall so I hope you keep making statements because your going deeper in to the word and I like what you have to say…………Thanks Tim

          • Give thanks to God.

            Many years ago I asked for wisdom, I would encourage you to ask for it too. It was his gift, just be thankful that Father chose to give to me.

            I am thankful to Father that he hasn’t finished with me yet, I am not yet “good”, as God is Good, but as I continue to work out the sin in me he continues to work righteousness in.

            As I continue to live and breathe on this little planet I hope to be of use to Father, to Jesus and The Body. I hope to stand firm in The Faith and stay true to The Word.

            I do thank you for your encouragement though, it was timely.

            In Christ,

            Christopher

        • My response on this issue is in this article:

          http://www.christian-faith.com/forjesus/can-christians-have-demons

          On another note, have you ever cast out any demons yourself?

          • Have you ever raised the dead?

            Why is that important? I am willing to put aside my experience as experience is not the mark of authenticity, one need only remember the passage that says: “Many will say to Me in that day, Lord! Lord! Did we not prophesy in Your name, and through Your name throw out demons, and through Your name do many wonderful works? And then I will say to them I never knew you! Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!”

            In that article you seem to be suffering from writers licence, with generous amounts of inference, speculation and deduction. Based no doubt on experience.

            You take passages of scripture that have nothing to do with the subject and force the fit:
            Acts 5:3 – Satan did not enter, but influenced (after all if Ananias was demon possessed why didn’t Peter just cast it out?)
            Eph 4:27 – Is not mentioning inhabitation but opportunity
            Mat 12:42-45 – Evil spirits do not enter dead people, and all those who are born again have died.
            Jam 4:7 – Is not talking about inhabitation but resistance – the context of this is in the above verses summed up by saying “be in the world but not of its practices”
            Eze 8:6 – The temple in the OT is not anywhere in scripture liked to us. It was a shadow, a copy.
            Mark 1:32-34&39 – The scripture does not say that those who came were Orthodox religious Jews. Actually the people who heard him and followed him were “common”. When a religious person came near the gospels make a point to mention it.
            Mark 9:25 Demons CAN cause sickness, but sickness is not always due to demons. That is why we need people with the gift of discernment.

            The list of verses used to support the notion “evil spirit responsible for creating the disease” broken up into their true meanings
            Healing AND Casting out – Mat 4-8 Mar 1, Luk 4,8
            Healing FROM Casting out – Mat 9,12,17 Luk 9
            Luke 6:17-19 – Not all the crowd had demons, some were just sick, others just wanted to touch him.
            Luke 18:11-16 – This passage has nothing to do with demons, it is about being justified
            Mat 10 & Mar 3 – were commands to do BOTH, not one leading to the other.
            John 14 – The greater works INCLUDE casting out demons, but it doesn’t end with it, it also includes throwing mountains into the sea!
            Mark 16 – We will also be able to handle snakes and drink poison!

            Acts 10:38 – Having a demon removed is LIKE healing but is not necessarily the SAME AS healing (that is why Jesus in Mk 16 differentiates between them). Sickness can be the work of Satan, or a symptom of this fallen world. To claim this (that sickness is the work of the devil) is saying that anyone not whole, is disabled, or sick, has a demon.
            Luke 13:11 – Jesus was linking this woman and her heritage; he was comparing the actions of the synagogue ruler with an ox to his response to her healing. That is why he says “daughter of Abraham”. He was saying that this woman has more worth than a ox or donkey.
            John 8:39-40 – In this passage he is not saying they were not sons of Abraham according to bloodline, but that they were not sons of Abraham, or even God, by their actions.
            Mat 15:26 – Has NOTHING TO DO WITH DELIVERENCE (Also in Mk 7) but is a reference that Jesus was not told to take God’s healing to a non-Israeli. The children’s breadcrumbs are not a reference to us either, it is pure speculation.
            Mat 16:22-23 – Is a reference to temptation. The word used for “evil one” can be translated as sinners, sin, the wicked, wickedness (just look at how it is translated in other passages), and is in itself not a reference of deliverance from an evil spirit.

            “On the other hand, self-discipline and reckoning oneself dead to sin and alive to God, for all its importance, may not be the total solution for our sanctification.”…”Marks of a Person Needing Deliverance”

            1. Unlike this article that assumes that the fruit is either strong or not there. Like any farmer will know fruit must be grown. This is not done by us, but God makes it grow, but we are to cultivate it.
            “And not only this, but we glory in afflictions also, knowing that afflictions work out patience, and patience works out experience, and experience works out hope.” (Rom 5:3-4)
            But you, O man of God, flee these things and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, and meekness. (1Ti 6:11)
            But also in this very thing, bringing in all diligence, filling out your faith with virtue, and with virtue, knowledge; and with knowledge self-control, and with self-control, patience, and with patience, godliness, and with godliness, brotherly kindness, and with brotherly kindness, love. For if these things are in you and abound, they make you to be neither idle nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. (2Pe 1:5-8)

            2. We are set free from guilt of conscience by God, but not through deliverance, it is the by the blood of Jesus and in the water.
            How much more shall the blood of Christ (who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God) purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Heb 9:14)
            Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies having been washed with pure water. (Heb 10:22)

            3. Being harassed? The scriptures don’t mention deliverance, instead it just says “Resist…” In James we are told to hold up the example of Job, one who wasn’t delivered from this “harassment” but endured UNDER IT
            Therefore submit yourselves to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. (Jas 4:7)
            My brothers, take the prophets who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering ill, and of patience. Behold, we count blessed those who endure. You have heard of the patience of Job, and you have seen the end of the Lord, that the Lord is full of pity and of tender mercy. (Jas 5:10-11)
            We are not told to be delivered FROM but to ENDURE UNDER

            4. Real Baptism? So you are saying that those who are like this have a counterfeit? Are you calling the work of The Spirit a counterfeit? Just because you don’t recognise his work, doesn’t mean that they were not. Those who suffer from constant temptations will continue to suffer whilst they continually give Satan a foothold. But the moment they say “NO” it will become harder in the short term, but easier to keep saying “NO”.
            Be angry, and do not sin. Do not let the sun go down upon your wrath, neither give place to the Devil. (Eph 4:26-27)
            Do not yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but yield yourselves to God, as one alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. (Rom 6:13)
            We know that everyone who has been born of God does not continue to sin, but the one born of God guards himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
            (1Jn 5:18)

            5. Talks too much? Who will be the judge of that? It is said about Jesus:
            And there are also many things, whatever Jesus did, which, if they should be written singly, I suppose the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen. (Joh 21:25)
            We know from scripture that Jesus didn’t come to do but to teach and proclaim:
            And finding Him, they said to Him, All are seeking You. And He said to them, Let us go into the next towns so that I may proclaim there also. For that reason I came forth. (Mar 1:37-38)

            6. A Christian could not be attracted to the occult, without first turning their back on God.
            …holding faith and a good conscience, which some have put away and made shipwreck as to faith. Among these are Hymeneus and Alexander, whom I have delivered to Satan so that they may learn not to blaspheme. (1Ti 1:19-20)
            But the Spirit expressly says that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, being seared in their own conscience…(1Ti 4:1-2)
            Notice in the first passage that Paul TURNED THEM OVER to Satan! Secondly that they DEPARTED.
            For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened…and who have fallen away; it is impossible, I say, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify the Son of God afresh to themselves and put Him to an open shame. (For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes often upon it, and brings forth plants fit for those by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God. But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected and is a curse, whose end is to be burned.) (Heb 6:4-8)

            7. Generational curses are a false teaching that have no place in the NEW Covenant. In The OLD Covenant they were BROKEN in Ezekiel. Someone who is chronically sick needs healing, not deliverance.

            I have heard it said (I don’t subscribe to this) that the book of Revelation is a ‘haphazard accumulation of weird symbols. Well that article was a haphazard accumulation of unrelated passages. It is a deceitful mix of scripture, speculation, inference and deduction, like an assassin’s tool, good food hiding a deadly poison. Your only hope of writing it was to deceive people and give them over to fear of something which cannot harm us.

            But the Spirit expressly says that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, being seared in their own conscience…(1Ti 4:1-2)

          • Timothy Luke says:

            Acts 5:3 – Satan did not enter, but influenced (after all if Ananias was demon possessed why didn't Peter just cast it out?)

            That reasoning and challenge would also apply to Judas. Scripture says clearly, 'and Satan entered into him,' so by your logic, Jesus, seeing that, should have automatically cast him out and enjoyed his meal. You do not understand deliverance, its need, or the circumstance of its necessity and propriety of use. I will not waste more time going through all your points and showing the failing of logic.

            "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.  He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


            "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." Mark 16:15-18.

            The mission of the disciples is to preach the Kingdom of God for a witness unto all nations, is it not? It is to baptize into the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is it not? As basic as those are, and as universally understood in evangelical circles, the ministry of deliverance is the demonstration of the Kingdom of God in power. It is as basic to the preaching of the gospel, as is healing the sick. If you are not fulfilling this basic commandment to the disciple, why are you hindering those who are?

            You have many arguments. According to your faith, be it unto you. Are you saying Michael should cease to cast out devils because you simply do not understand? Believe it or not, devils do not come out of people because they weren't there in the first place. I have seen Christians before, during and after deliverance. My life was changed due to deliverance. I have a family I would not have, were my wife and I not delivered. We grew up believing all your wonderful arguments and arguing them ourselves, but within 4 weeks of opening our minds to consider that a Christian might be under a curse, we repented of those things that bring the curse (that we as good Christians couldn't possibly be under) and the Lord healed us and delivered us.

            Of course my experience means nothing to you, but it means everything to me. And, I see it clearly in scripture. "Lord, give us eyes to see and ears to hear what the spirit says to the churches!"

          • But that a christian can have a demon, which the scriptures don’t teach.

            If you stick to topic you will understand my posts.

            It is clear from scripture that Judas had a purpose, for Jesus to “cast it out” would have been against God’s purpose. Do you see how reasoning can get you in trouble, especially when you don’t know the scripture?

            Your experience means nothing to God! Do you think that you are more important because your experience is wider?

            God is not after people who have experienced much, he is after those who are willing to obey without question. Your family, your life is not proof of anything, as one could argue that winning the lotto could have the same effect. A life of blessing is not proof of anything, many people are blessed but live wicked lives.

            Deliver people from sin, casting out demons and healing the sick, are all scriptural. But the heresy that a christian can have a demon after being born again is not scriptural.

          • Timothy Luke says:

            The scriptures do NOT teach that a Christian cannot have a devil. Where is that written? It is based on a lie that the Holy Spirit cannot cohabit with sin – yet we see Satan himself coming before the very throne of God in scripture…. Does God hide his face and say, "I am too holy to look upon thee Satan?" Of course not. God speaks to the devil and dialogs with him – it is nothing for God to live in a person through the indwelling of the Spirit and help them step by step be delivered.

            Were you made perfect when you were baptised? This is to say, are you now without sin in your life? What is the spirit behind the sin? Why did Paul warn Christians about 'do not give place to the devil'? Where is that place? "Out of the heart proceed murders and adulteries"

            There is the place. The spirit of man being contaminated by the spirit of the world. Ever see a Christian caught in pornography? The stronghold is a spirit sent there to keep him in bondage.

            The testimony of Jerry King is amazing as he taught what you teach until Milton Green cast out a legion of evil spirits from him. He came alive to Christ and was set free, though he was a pastor of a mega church that did not believe in deliverance.

          • Looking for what is not in scripture.

            The scripture does say that we are part of the body of Jesus, also that he is in us. Do you now teach that a demon can live in the same room as Jesus?

            I was perfect WHEN I was baptised. Everyone is made perfect at that point. They have died to sin. The proof of repentance must always precede immersion, so a person is clean and empty after coming from baptism, that is why they need to be quickly filled with the spirit, so that they will be clean and full.

            I am not perfect now though. After immersion I wanted to sin, so I did. This is because I wasn’t told how to repent, nor was I filled after. But between that time I cultivated sin, I would not overcome temptations, but this is not so anymore. My body still bears the marks of wickedness, so therefore I am not perfect now. But I once was a infant in Jesus, you could say a “innocent virgin” until that day I welcomed sin back. Now I am a mature believer, I know the difference between right and wrong, I can spot heresy and false teaching.

            I do not need to drop names to prove anything, the scriptures are our proof. Anything not based on scripture is heresy.

            Have you never noticed that the armour of God is not to keep what is inside trapped, but to keep what is outside away. When we stand suited up, we can tell Satan where to go, and he does!

            From the heart can come many things, not only evil but also righteousness, and we are told not to give in to the flesh, we should be a tap that only pours fresh water, but advocate a mix.

            You speak of sin and wickedness as if it is a normal part of being a christian, but it is not. Overcoming sin and wickedness is. There is a wide difference between a “normal” christian and a “average” christian. The normal christian is not taken in by false teaching, he/she overcomes temptation, and is in the world but no of it. But the average christian…well gives in to false teaching, to temptation and does not hold to the biblical standard.

            God has made it clear what he considers to be “normal” “Be Holy as I AM Holy”.

            You speak of “missing parts”, use reasoning, deduction, and wild speculation, which you combine as proof. But all you prove is that you have built your house on sand.

            Beware of the crash. Repent.

          • Look at the post. This was about prayers to get rid of demonic harrassment in the sexual area. You "changed the topic" with your doctrinal assertions that Christians could not have demons.

            Really, Redbuck, you keep dodging my questions – it seems to me because you are too embarrassed to directly answer them. You don't think experience counts? How about the "born again" experience? Can someone who doesn't have that experience accurately lecture someone who DOES have it on the subject?

            It seems to me that you are a hurt and bitter individual who has taken a subset of the commandments of God and pride yourself on mostly not breaking those ones. The ones about esteeming others and being gentle and tenderhearted you don't seem to keep. You are quick to condemn those who don't see things according to your interpretation and your understanding of the Scriptures. I don't sense in your posts the desire to be a blessing to others, but God is the judge of that, not me. I do know you have offended people who have left this website assuming that I identify with you and the way you communicate.

            It seems to me that you have no experience of the subjects you seek to pontificate on, with respect to demons. I might be wrong, but now I am not going to find out. The reason is, I do not trust you enough any more to bring edifying content on this site. I think you will end up doing spiritual damage by commenting on things you don't understand.

        • Timothy Luke says:

          "We are told to stand firm and Satan will flee, this is not deliverance. We are told to overcome that is not deliverance."

          It may not be deliverance by your definition. Does the Bible state it is NOT deliverance? On the contrary, the Old Testament was written for our example. When Israel left Egypt, that was deliverance and Moses was their deliverer. When Satan flees, that IS deliverance. When we overcome, it is a deliverance from being "under sin" and its power to "coming over" or "overcoming" sin and its dominion.

          • Actually the leaving of Egypt was called an exodus, which is what Moses and Elijah and Jesus were discussing:
            Appearing in glory, they spoke of His exodus, which He was about to accomplish in Jerusalem. (Luk 9:31)

            Exodus [noun]: A journey by a large group to escape from a hostile environment

            Deliverance [noun]: Recovery from loss

            You haven’t lost anything when Satan flees. But if you don’t resist him you may.

            When we overcome, it is resistance.

            Resistance [noun]: The action of opposing something that you disapprove or disagree with.

            The very words “resist the Devil” speak against you.

            Stand firm [verb]: Stand up or offer resistance to somebody or something.

            Likewise standing firm is not deliverance.

            If you go looking for what the Bible doesn’t say you will find lots. I tend to stay within scripture for my understanding. The path of looking into things that the Bible does not say is filled with many ideas that man has tried to make “biblical”, for example this topic. These people rely on half verses, deduction, inference, speculation, and the need to justify themselves. They rely of history, experience and knowledge, which is not wise. The wisdom and insight that comes from God has a tendency to see straight through the mix. If these people are proved wrong they tend to say “Are you saying that I have been wrong all my life?” They say it as a rebuke, as if that will change anything, that the one standing for the truth of scripture will back down because they don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings.

            Father has told me to “call a spade a spade” and to not back down. The teaching that christians can have a demon is heresy. It is a slur against the body of Jesus.

            Those who persist in heresy will lose that any chance of salvation unless you repent before it is too late.

            For me this is my last post on this subject, for the scriptures plainly state that to “have nothing to do with the deeds of darkness, but rather expose them”. And further to “avoid a man of heresy”.

            But false prophets were also among the people, as also false teachers will be among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, and denying the Master who has bought them, bringing swift destruction on themselves. And many will follow their destructive ways, by whom the way of truth will be evil spoken of. And by covetousness, with well-turned words, they will use you for gain, for whom judgment of old does not linger, and their destruction does not slumber.
            (2Pe 2:1-3)

      • bornagainbytheblood says:

        I don’t want to get into semantics, but I’ll just reiterate, and perhaps clarify, that a born again child of God cannot be possessed by unclean spirits of the soul. If, however, people are professing Christians, yet walk in willful sin, even one willful sin, then they are not the children of God — and thus possession of unclean spirits of the soul is quite possible. But, if they are willing to repent of their sins, then the devils could be cast out.

        Many get derailed by popular false teaching: they don’t believe that a child of God must live free from all known sin; they are taught grace without the importance of resisting sin by the Spirit of God that is supposed to be dwelling within them; many give over to sin in tight places. But, God and sin don’t mix. When someone gives over to sin, even one willful sin, then they are obeying their father — the devil. One cannot partake of God and sin too.

        If one is really a child of God walking in the Light, then the Holy Spirit will reveal one’s unintentional wrong doings to be corrected. As an obedient child, you will make the adjustments at the Spirit’s bidding. At no point, however, will you partake of willful disobedience, lest you be a castaway.

  9. Timothy Luke says:

    Redbuck, I have found when people refuse to believe a devil can have a Christian, they are held captive because they have no knowledge.

    God is omnipresent. He is ALL places at all time, right? Then he sees all sin, all the time. It is a myth from hell to have believers not find the liberty God has for them. We were bound in 'acceptable sins' such as being 'mad' and angry all the time, fearful, bound to sins such as our brother, but through deliverance, God healed us and restored us in so many ways we, as Christians, were bound with while the church looked on as though it were alright.

    There are Three ways of deliverance. I will blog about that…

    • bornagainbytheblood says:

      Timothy Luke wrote: “I have found when people refuse to believe a devil can have a Christian, they are held captive because they have no knowledge.”

      It’s possible for a Christian to be overtaken and possessed by the devil. The person would no longer be a child of God at that point; he/she is in a backsliden state and is in a worse condition than before they were saved.

    • A single scripture that backs up this “knowledge”.

      The only thing I am “bound” to is obeying the scripture, that is the laws of God, and knowing that if it not there is plain simple speak, God did not want us to know it.

      Even notice how God did not give reasons for his laws to Israel? He didn’t need to, he is God. Likewise those who go beyond scripture into the realms of “experience and knowledge” are not satisfied by scripture and want a further explanation for behavior.

      There is no such thing as “acceptable sin”, for the scriptures plainly state that anyone who willfully continues in SIN can lose their salvation!

      There are three different ways of deliverance…and I would be hard pressed to find a scripture to teach it, so I will use experience and knowledge (after all my experience and knowledge is almost God’s word, right?)

      • Timothy Luke says:

        Redbuck, I agree.

        There is no such thing as "acceptable sin" yet the church accepts the sins of the heart as being alright, as long as we don't act them out. Jesus plainly said this is not the case. He said if we allow it in our hearts, it is sin.

        Paul said in Ephesians 4:26-7, that we give place to the devil. You may prefer to think of it as on your shoulder, yet why when people repent of their sin with all their heart and ask to be set free, does it come up from their bowels and innermost being? Paul answers that in Romans when he says it is sin dwelling (that means it has a living presence) IN him.

        Now, when we say the Holy Spirit is dwelling in us, we are saying the same thing, a spirit is alive in us. When the Holy Spirit displaces fear, it is a spirit of fear as per 2 Tim. 1:7.

        Our spirit is open to spirits – either the spirit of this world who now works in the children of disobedience, or the Spirit of God who works in the children of righteousness.

        Jesus said 'those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies," in Matthew 15:18-9.

        Jesus also said Satan is a murderer from the beginning and the father of it. Now when he said this to the pharisees, were they in the classic sense, "possessed"? yet Satan was moving them from their innermost being.

        Can this happen in Christians? You bet! Why did Jesus say to Peter one moment, "flesh and blood has not revealed this to you" when Peter confessed Jesus was the Christ, and then the next moment Jesus looked Peter square in the face and said, "get behind me Satan!"?

        Let that suffice as the one scripture (Matthew 16:17-23) you dared me to present.

        God bless you as you press into Him more each day.

        • horns4plenty says:

          Well spoken Timothy Luke,

          We are coming quickly into a time again where persecution against those whose choose to follow Christ will be greatly intensified much like it was 2000 years go. And it will come largely from those who profess to know Christ but refuse to follow Him. I also believe their is going to be a even bigger assault coming against all Christianity and anyone who even names the name of Christ as their savior where people will have to choose to deny Christ or have to die for Christ which could be spearheaded by the Islamic religion. It appears that is what is happening.

          But the beautiful thing is when all is said and done the remnant that has chosen to follow Christ and have kept their garments clean, white, and pure will be saved. The sad part is that all of those that have chosen to murder or destroy with their mouth or in action and deed are going to be destroyed. I sure do hope more people will wake up and start following Christ instead of professing Christ.

          God Bless
          Corey

        • Jesus didn’t cast out Satan, but put Peter into place by CALLING him Satan.

          But Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get out of my way, Satan! You are tempting me to sin. You aren’t thinking the way God thinks but the way humans think.”
          (Mat 16:23)

          Notice how Jesus said “…but the way humans think” he was accusing Peter of not thinking the way God does but in his human nature. If Jesus cast Satan out he would have said “Satan come out of him!”

          This is likened to calling someone a Jeremiah or a Pharisee.

          I hope that one day you will repent of this heresy

  10. I don't want to rewrite them, they are in the spiritual warfare and breaking curses section.

    But a question: if sin is darkness, does that mean it is impossible for sin to dwell in a Christian?

    • It is something that we do.

      We sin when we give in to temptations, although the temptation may come from within, the temptations themselves are not sin.

      We are told that the tongue is a unruly evil, but the passage also points out that we can bridle the tongue.

      It is not a question whether christians can sin, nor will not sin, nor cannot sin, but the that they should not sin. We can say ‘no’ to sin.

      The things in us, that which Paul calls ‘no good thing’, may be evil lurking, but it doesn’t become sin until we do it, think it, or feel it.

      It is like dirt in the garden. By itself it is just dirt, but when you begin to cultivate it, nourish it, and plant things in it, does that dirt become something that will grow things. Likewise this evil that dwells in this body of sin, is not sin until we cultivate it, nourish it, and plant things in it, then one will harvest unrighteousness.

      But each one is tempted by his lusts, being drawn away and seduced by them. Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin. And sin, when it is fully formed, brings forth death.
      (Jas 1:14-15)

      One is not meant to repent of living in a body of flesh, nor is one to repent of being tempted, but one is commanded to repent of wickedness.

      So also you count yourselves to be truly dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. Then do not let sin reign in your mortal body, to obey it in its lusts. Neither present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as one living from the dead, and your members instruments of righteousness to God.
      (Rom 6:11-13)

      • Rom 7:17  Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

        How can you say that it is impossible that sin dwells in a person?

        • James tell us that it is by our actions that shows others who we are.

          Did you notice the context? He is talking about the flesh, the law of sin, the rules that give rise to temptations, which if followed gives birth to death. The “sin” that he mentions is not “wicked acts” but temptations that were warring against him, trying to bring him again under the “Law of Death”. These laws were part of his “being” and only upon the death of “the body” would he be free of it. Until that time he would be at war with the “seeds of sin” in him.

          O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
          (Rom 7:24-25)

          There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
          (Rom 8:1-5)

          This ‘sin” that is relied upon for much deliverance teaching, is irrelevant to those who walk by The Spirit, and also to those who are christians. They should be taught not to go for deliverance (which is not a ministry of The Holy Spirit) but how to walk in The Spirit.

          If a person persists in walking in The Spirit then God will make their body alive. A body that once was dead can be made alive by The Spirit. When that body in made alive by God the sinful fresh will be no more. For they will be part of Jesus and he part of you.

          But you are not in flesh, but in Spirit, since the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone has not the Spirit of Christ, this one is not His. But if Christ is in you, the body indeed is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of the One having raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One having raised the Christ from the dead will also make your mortal bodies live through the indwelling of His Spirit in you. (Rom 8:9-11)

          For the moment but the laws of sin do abide in this body of mine, the laws that alerted me that the wickedness existed, but I look forward to the day when this body will be made alive by God.

          • Timothy Luke says:

            Stop imputing evil to others. Love hopes all things, believes all things, endures all things. You are imputing an evil heart to Michael when you say, "I see through these traps of yours…"

            You have pride and not humility, and the fruit of it is clear in your tone, which annoys me more than your message. If you had a meek and teachable attitude that would be acceptable. If you had an attitude of 'I don't see it as you do, but I accept you as a fellow believer' that would be acceptable. When you impute evil intent and malicious motive to one who is pouring out their life in service to our Lord, you have erred greatly. Michael at least has shown the courtesy of not deleting your posts or blocking you.

          • Your definition of pride is not consistent with scripture for by your definition Jesus, Paul, Peter, and Stephen could be accused by you also of the same thing.

            Michael is not a faithful servant, he teaches heresy.

            The scriptures tell us to expose the evil in others, I did that.

            Whether Michael choose to delete my posts or block me is irrelevant, the truth of the scripture will continue. You are he will continue to err until you repent.

            Jesus once said: “You snakes!” “White washed tombs!” We are to follow his example. I walk in love when I warn others of heretics. You and Michael put a higher place for personal honour and experience than scripture, you place love and meekness before scripture, you place humility before scripture. You don’t want to be taught you want to teach, you will not accept scripture, except your interpretation of it, which you back up by experience, history, and other knowledge.

            If you read the Bible in context, understanding it in its most simple plainest way, you would see that no christian can have a demon.

            I can’t accept you as a fellow believer, your not my brother. You are argumentative, and quickly turn personal when others question your stance. The view that a christian can have a demon is a slur against my Lord, Yeshua. It is a lie directly from Satan. Those who believe such are willingly his helpers.

          • Timothy Luke says:

            Your witness is not received by me (speaking for myself alone), so you may leave off further discussion with me.

            You have come to a Christian board that teaches the fullness of the Gospel and ministry of the Holy Spirit in power. You are doing no one any good by remaining here. Start your own board and preach your own understanding of the Gospel, but please do not continue to sew discord here. Please move on.

          • for teaching against heresy and exposing wickedness.

          • in more ways than one.

          • horns4plenty says:

            That was long over due!

            God Bless you!

          • dresserandkeeper says:

            I am praying in the name of Jesus for the tone of this discussion to change. There is no need for us to speak to each other in accusing manners. I understand this is a “touchy” subject and there are differences in opinions on the matter. You all know where I stand on the matter and I personally have witnessed deliverance in areas of my life and I know for a fact that I was already a believer.
            Let us leave each the respect of “freedom of debate” and be careful with our tones to one another. It’s not that disagreeing with one another is wrong, but the way we discuss those disagreements that is inflammatory.
            I have seen blessings and cursing come from the “same mouth” this ought not to be.
            I am encouraged to see discussion on this matter, and look forward to reading and perhaps being involved in more “peaceful dialogue”, but do not expect me to reply to “argumentative posts”, it isn’t worth the trouble to me.
            We are not here to “prove our knowledge”, but to instead let the Holy Spirit work in each of us in Truth and Spirit.
            We know them by their fruits…I can see where unity is stemming from, and I can see where separation is stemming from. Let’s ALL seek unity in the faith and if a brother is in disagreement or obviously wrong…lets approach with love and prayer.
            I am praying for everyone involved in this debate…love you all and appreciate your opinions and willingness to share.
            Walk in love brothers and sisters…walk in love. Please forgive me for anything prideful that I have said here in any of my posts, I know I have a “spirit of pride” within me that effects my thinking if I am not careful to take it captive. It is not my wish to manifest it (pride) here towards my brothers and sisters. Again please take what I have said with love, and forgive me for casting any stones.
            I know I have a beam (more like a forest of huge trees!) in my own eye that I need to pull out before I worry about my brothers and sisters mistakes.
            Let’s continue in peace and love this valuable discussion.
            May the God of Peace bless you all…..

          • "They should be taught not to go for deliverance (which is not a ministry of The Holy Spirit) but how to walk in The Spirit."

             

            You are way out of line here. Here is what Jesus said:

            Mat 12:26  And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
            Mat 12:27  And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
            Mat 12:28  But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

            Clearly the ministry of casting out demons IS a ministry of the Spirit of God. Jesus said so.

            In my experience, those who attack the ministry of casting out demons have never cast out any demons in their life. Anyone can FIND FAULT with those who are in the field DOING THE JOB, but as Moody said to a lady who criticised his methods of evangelism, "I prefer the way I am doing it rather than the way you are NOT doing it."

            Jesus said:

            These signs shall follow those who believe: In my name they shall cast out demons, they shall speak with new tongues.

            Mark 16:17

          • Christians CANT have demons.

            But you back up this by experience again.

            This experience makes you a pseudo-christian. You speak loud and proud about experience and knowledge, but twist the scriptures to back up a heresy.

            I said (in line with the article) that “deliverance ministry” (as you call it – casting demon or removing demons from christians) is not from the Holy Spirit, which when linked to the article means there is no such thing as “deliverance ministry” to christians in the Bible. Here are the ministries:

            And indeed He gave some to be apostles; and some prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors and teachers; with a view to the perfecting of the saints for the work of the ministry, for the building up of the body of Christ, until we all may come to the unity of the faith and of the full knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
            (Eph 4:11-13)

            Apostles; Prophets; Evangelists; Shepherds and Teachers. Those are the ministries.

            The gifts of The Spirit:
            And God placed some in the assembly: firstly, apostles; secondly, prophets; thirdly, teachers; then works of power; then gifts of healing, helps, governings, kinds of languages. Are all apostles? All prophets? All teachers? All workers of power? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak languages? Do all interpret?
            (1Co 12:28-30)

            Apostles; Prophets; Teachers; Workers of Power; Healing (which is NOT exclusively demon casting but could be the result of it); Helpers (Those in support); Governors (managers – directors); Speakers of Tongues (A language unlearned but given); Interpreters of the Tongue (so that the body may be edified).

            Where is your ministry in this?

          • Timothy Luke says:

            Redbuck. I am not big on people who pursue experiences in the Holy Spirit, for the sake of it. There are many things done in this manner that are clearly not of God, as shown by their fruits.

            I have been set free from bondage to sin, through the deliverance you say could not happen. I was a Christian before, during and after, if it were not so, I would testify that I was a Christian only after I received that deliverance.

            Healing and deliverance often go hand in hand, as Jesus cast out spirits of infirmity, thus healing a person. Many people who are Christians suffer with spirits of infirmity and spirits of insanity, which are clearly seen in the Gospel accounts as the Kingdom of God is both preached, and manifested in power. The Word of God nowhere states a Christian cannot have a devil, why do you go dogmatic on this point?

            I believe my experience of deliverance because the fruit of deliverance I now have. There are four children who are being brought up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord and a wife who's healing has inspired the healings of dozens or more others to have a CLOSER LOVE WALK with God and man. The message of forgiveness of sin and repentance is intrinsic in the deliverance we received. Would Satan have us draw closer to God and His Word and bless us by removing his hand? "A Kingdom divided against itself cannot stand."

            Please, in this discussion, lets not treat one another as not Christian over this matter.

          • I can ride a bike and drive a car. Does that mean that I ride the bike whilst driving the car, or drive the car whilst riding the bike? No they are different, separate. The use of the English language is paramount to this argument, there are few incidents where the casting of the demon made the sick person well, but it was not the norm. Jesus taught his disciples to caste AND heal. If he meant heal BY casting he would have said it.

            Where as Jesus spoke of them as separate:

            Jesus said to them, “Tell that fox that I will force demons out of people AND heal people today and tomorrow. I will finish my work on the third day.
            (Luk 13:32)
            Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, AND in Your name do many works of power?
            (Mat 7:22)
            And evening having come on, they brought to Him many having been possessed by demons. And He cast out the spirits by a word, AND He healed all those having illness,
            (Mat 8:16)
            Heal sick ones, cleanse lepers, raise dead ones, cast out demons. You freely received, freely give.
            (Mat 10:8)
            And He healed many who had illness of various diseases. AND he cast out many demons, and He did not allow the demons to speak, because they knew Him.
            (Mar 1:34)
            And He was proclaiming in their synagogues in all Galilee, and casting out the demons. AND a leper came to Him, begging Him, and falling on his knees to Him, and saying to Him, If You desire, You are able to make me clean. And being moved with pity, reaching out the hand, Jesus touched him, and said to him, I am willing. Be made clean!
            (Mar 1:39-41)
            and to have authority to heal diseases, AND to cast out the demons.
            (Mar 3:15)
            And they cast out many demons, AND anointed with oil AND healed many sick ones.
            (Mar 6:13)
            And miraculous signs will follow to those believing these things: they will cast out demons in My name; they will speak new languages; they will take up snakes; and if they drink anything deadly, it will in no way hurt them; [notice the separation – it is called syntax] they will lay hands on the sick, and they will be well.
            (Mar 16:17-18)
            And having called together His twelve disciples, He gave them power and authority over all the demons, AND to heal diseases.
            (Luk 9:1)
            Do we need more scriptures?

            But yet we have no scripture in Acts to Revelation that teaches us what to do will a christian who has a demon. Why is that? Because it can’t happen! But yet WE DO have mandate for handing people OVER TO SATAN!

            Repent

          • i know things demons and spirit world this demons attack only in sin but they trying to manipulate in any christian but also me but in the name of jesus christ im maid my self strong fiat being posses by demons never though do a lot of sin but tempted . . but i pray to god i will walk of in this world full temptation even demons are more talkative than me . .

        • bornagainbytheblood says:

          Micheal – Romans 7 is dealing with Paul’s condition before he was saved, when he was a Pharisee under the law. Paul was not a sinner after he met Jesus; he had found grace, the victory over sin. If this is not true, then Romans 6, and much of 1 John, would completely contradict Romans 7. But, we know that the Word does not contradict Itself. I would encourage you to allow the Holy Spirit to reveal the mystery behind Romans 7, and you’ll find that indeed Paul was describing his problem before he found grace.

          Romans 7
          [5] For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
          [6] But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

          • Romans 7 is not the ideal for a Christian of course. I believe it describes either a person who is making efforts to please God and fails, or a Christian who still has some bondages and is desiring to be free. Most likely the latter.

            Let's look at the language:

            Rom 7:22  For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

            Does an ungodly person really DELIGHT in the law of God after the inward man?

            Does the inward man of an unregenerate person LOVE and DELIGHT in God's law?

            Could the "inward man" referred to be the born again spirit of a man, in whose body sin still dwells?

            As for Paul being a sinner, what he said AT THE END OF HIS LIFE SHEDS LIGHT ON THIS:

            1Ti 1:15  This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
            1Ti 1:16  Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

            Paul is talking about himself here.

            This Scripture needs to be balanced with other statements Paul made. He said that he served God with a pure conscience etc. He knew personally the power of the Lord to change a life. But he also had a sharp dispute with Barnabas and could not even work with him, and was wrong about Mark.

            Even the greatest people fall short of the perfection that is in God, and the more you know the brightness of God's glory, the more you become aware that within you, and the vast neural network that is your brain, there are still thinking patterns and attitudes which need to change.

             

          • bornagainbytheblood says:

            Micheal wrote: “Does an ungodly person really DELIGHT in the law of God after the inward man?”

            Once again, Paul was describing himself when he was under the law, though it comes across as if he is speaking of the present. Under the law, he wanted to do good, but only through grace, and the power that’s in the blood of Jesus, can the Adamic nature be fully put to death. To continue, Paul goes on in Romans 8 to clarify the victory over sin that the law could not do.

            [1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
            [2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
            [3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

            The new and living way found through grace has the power to put off the sins of the flesh by walking in the Spirit. Those who are still bound by sin are still walking after the flesh, and thus are not saved; they may call themselves Christians, but they are not the children of God. Once they are ready to get serious about walking with God, then they can look to Jesus to completely set them free. Jesus loves them, but His standard to belong to Him is holiness and righteousness; this is what grace is all about.

    • So scaey. I love jesus my savior andmy heavenly father abba. Burn all my transgresaions and deaires. In the nane of jesus amen

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