Passages I’m struggling with.

These are a couple of passages that I’m struggling with, at least at the moment. I’m struggling with them, because I find that many Christians I talk to on stuff like this don’t agree with me.

1 Peter 2:21-24
21For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

22Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

23Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Philippians 2:5-11
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I get out of these two passages a very extreme view of who I am and what I am to do. For example, right after Paul says “let this mind be in you…” he says, “being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.” I know that elsewhere Paul uses the same claims Jesus made for himself. “I am in the Father, the Father is in me,” “I am in Christ, Christ is in me.” Etc. I just don’t know what I should think or how I should interpret these passages right now.

What do you guys think?

What do YOU think?

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  1. Freak4Jesus15 says:

    what the passages are basically saying is that you are suppose to humble like Jesus. Jesus was God-man he couldnt of shown the whole world but instead he took human likeness and not even that he took the nature of a servant. he served the world by dieing on the cross. I am not saying you are suppose to die on a cross but i am saying that you are suppose to be a servant and be humble

  2. jesseedavis says:

    Something that needs to be added here for the readers. An emphasis on humility. It doesn’t matter who you are, when someone else is around or in the equation, YOU DO NOT MATTER. The ultimate example of this is Jesus. It was about those around Him, and ultimately about God.

    Remember, when you make any decision, make it considering everyone else before yourself. If you don’t, you may miss a witness and YOU MIGHT END UP CLOSING THE DEAL ON SOMEONE’S ETERNAL DAMNATION.

  3. jesseedavis says:

    Thanks Tim, for having this conversation. It seemed to clarify things a bit better and strengthen it all.

    I guess to apply it to my daily walk is the next step…

    • lookinforacity says:

      I have thoroughly enjoyed your short conversation with Timothy.
      I too, have had the same thoughts, although over the years they have become my convictions.
      As far as the reactions you receive, know the Lord is Lighting your PATH, John 15:14-20

  4. JustAGuy says:

    Paul is not drawing our attention to the first part of that phrase – Jesus was equal with God because He was God. Paul is simply saying “even in His exalted state, Jesus was humble, how much more should we be able to have that mind of humility.”

    In the second phrase, I read it as is. Do you recall what Jesus told the women at the tomb after his resurrection? He said “tell them I am going to my God and your God, my Father and your Father.” In saying that He was verifying that the wall of separation between God and man was now torn and the way open between them, through Jesus Christ.

    Paul puts it in context in Corinthians when he says, “if any man boast, let him boast in Christ.” We are powerless of ourselves. We have all sufficiency in Him. Phil. 2:13 became a lot clearer to me this week. “For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” God shows us the way, and then strengthens us supernaturally to walk in it. It is all His work, from beginning to end, if we will accept and submit to His will.

    I hope this is helpful brother.

    Blessings and Peace,
    Timothy

    • jesseedavis says:

      Please, just do me this one favor. Look at this passage and then look at some of the things Paul says. I don’t wish to press this so much that people take things out of context, but it is important to know who we are. To know the fullness of being in Christ.

      You can’t just take white out to the part between let this mind, and be humble and obedient. If God did not mean for us to get equality with God out of this passage, then He would not say things like “You are the temple of the Holy Ghost.” “You are the body of Christ.” “You are in Christ and Christ is in you” “You are a son of God” “You are the light” etc. There are just way too many parallels between Jesus’ own claims of deity and God’s declarations of who we are in Christ.

      I know that we are not God, or gods, but we are Christ. We are Christ, because God made it so as part of our salvation. He made some of us Christ’s hand and He made some of us Christ’s eyes, etc. We know that talking to someone’s eye as if separate from the rest of him isn’t right in any way, so why do we continue to draw a line in the sand between Christ and ourselves, when clearly, God made us one in the same?

      Please, for His sake, consider the claims, the declarations, the rewards, the positions, the offices, the descriptions, everything that has to do with the Church and compare it to what is said about Christ. Do this and then tell me that Paul was not drawing attention to this part.

      • jesseedavis says:

        I’m sorry, Tim. I posted that asking for what you guys think, and then responded to your reply with preaching and teaching of my own interpretation. I didn’t mean to do that.

      • JustAGuy says:

        Jessee, I appreciate what you are saying. I responded to the part of the question you posted… but your question is based more deeply and it is fine with me to dialog on it. This is how conversations happen! I understand.

        There is a reason this (the relationship of Christ and His Church) is called a mystery.

        Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. :23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

        Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

        5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

        Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. :29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

        Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. :32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

        So Jessee, I take it you read in Phil 2:6 that if we are to have the mind of Christ, we are to not think it robbery to be equal with God. I do not agree that we can think that way because we are created and the created is always less than the creator who made it. Jesus is the Creator who spoke the will of the Father into being. “can the clay say to the potter, why have you made me thus?” We have no equality with God.

        Blessings and Peace,
        Timothy

        • jesseedavis says:

          The only reason I can think this is because God declares that we are.

          Remember, we were recreated, we are created new. I do not mean that we are not created, or that we are in any way part of the Godhead. In fact, it makes no sense that we could possibly have any equality with Him. That is why it is a mystery. All I mean is that the same declarations of Jesus that lead us to believe He is God, are the same declarations God spoke through Paul and others about believers. Everything we receive by faith is already Christ’s.

          Here’s something you can think about. We are the Bride of Christ right? What does the Bible say about two when they get married? I know that this has not fully happened yet, but by faith it will.

          Again the only reason that we could possibly have equality with God is if God baptizes us into Christ. Which we know that He did. What that means or at least the fullness of it, we cannot understand yet. He somehow took a created thing, spoke, and then baptized us into His Son’s own body, making us a part of His body, which makes it somehow possible for us to have equality.

          One day, we will rule with God eternally, we will know just as we are known, we will judge even angels. Obviously, we have been placed much higher than our fallen state or our original created state.

          On another note, we are still subject to God, He is still the head of the Church, and we are still His servants/slaves. Therefore whatever knowledge of Him or of ourselves we have, we are to be humble and be a servant of all. We are to be obedient to the Father and His will, even to the worst and most painful of deaths.

          • JustAGuy says:

            Jessee, I am impressed by your desire to know God according to His Word and not the doctrines of men. You are right to be thinking we are more than we think we are!

            Blessings and Peace,
            Timothy

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