Once Saved Always saved

Following are seven reasons from the Bible why a born-again Christian cannot lose his salvation. Over 200 Scriptures are referenced, which are given at the end for ease of readability. Anyone reading this who doubts the truth of this doctrine, sometimes called “once saved, always saved”, is encouraged to look up and read the Scriptures for himself.

1. Eternal Life – The Bible says that ETERNAL life is a present possession [1]. If we could lose that life from God [2] then we never had ETERNAL life. Our life is Christ’s life when we are saved [3] (see #4) and Christ cannot die again [4]. I John 5:13 says we can KNOW that we have ETERNAL life. God promised eternal life and God cannot lie [5].

2. Born Again as Sons of God – When we accept Christ we are born again of God [6], are passed from death unto life [7], and become a new creature [8], or creation [9], with all things new. We would have to become unborn to lose our salvation and born a third time to get saved again, which is not mentioned in the Bible. We also become a son of God [10] with a new nature, Christ’s nature [11], and Christ cannot deny himself [11]. We get an incorruptible nature [12] and our will is changed [13]. John 10:27 says the believer WILL follow Christ.

After we are saved, God no longer deals with us as sinners but as sons [14]. He chastises but his chastisement is not payment for sin, it is child-training. God may chastise but the payment for ALL sins was made 2000 years ago on Calvary (see #3). Sometimes God may even chastise with death [15]. The fellowship with God may change but not the Father-son relationship. For example, a father tells his boy not to play with the father’s delicate tools or they will break. The boy disobeys and breaks the tools. As chastisement the father smacks the boy but the smack does not pay for the tools; the father still must pay for the new tools and the boy is still his father’s son. All of our sins were paid for on Calvary and ALL of them are forgiven when we are saved (see #3).

3. What Happens to a Believer’s Sins – In God’s eyes when we get saved we are perfect forever [16], justified (made as if we had never sinned [17]), and sanctified [18], as far as our salvation is concerned. We still live in a sinful body and still sin but these only affect our fellowship with the Father once we are saved (see #2). The Bible says that God WILL NOT impute (charge up) sin to a believer [19] and that includes ANY sin. If a justified person could go to hell he was never truly justified. If after being saved a sin or sins could cause one to lose his salvation then all of his sins were not paid for at Calvary and forgiven (washed away) when he trusted Christ and his blood [20], as the Bible says [21]. God forgives and forgets [22] every sin, including future sins (all our sins were future when Christ died for them), when we get saved.

4. What We Have “In” Jesus Christ – When we get saved we are placed into the body of Christ [23]. We become “flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone” [24]. Our soul is “circumcised” from our flesh with a circumcision “made without hands” [25]. The Bible says that the body (church) will be presented without spot or blemish [26]. It cannot be without blemish if pieces have to be removed. Our position is settled: we are mystically seated in heaven already [27], a joint-heir with Christ (a joint heir cannot be disinherited [28]), and safe in Jesus’ and God’s hand [29] where we cannot be plucked out. The Holy Spirit places us IN Christ [23] just as we were IN Adam [30] before we were saved. IN Christ we are safe from condemnation [31], accepted [32], preserved forever [33], sanctified [34], alive forever [35], a new creature [36], perfect [37], righteous [38]; and we have liberty [39], all spiritual blessings [40], and an inheritance [41]. Our inheritance is reserved for us in heaven [42] (see #6), will not fade away [42], is incorruptible [42], and cannot be defiled [42].

Colossians 3:3 says our life is HID with Christ IN God; Satan has to get through God and then Christ to get to us, to cause us to be lost again. If Satan can overcome God and Christ to get one Christian, then he can get all of us because we are all sinners alike [43]. If Satan knew there was a way to make a Christian lose his salvation he is subtle enough that he could cause every Christian to lose his salvation [43.1]. For a believer to go to Hell, Christ and God [44] would have to go to Hell, because we have everything in standing and position that the Lord Jesus Christ has and we are “in” Him [45]. Our security is in a perfect person: Jesus Christ [45.1].

5. “God” Keeps Our Salvation – Throughout the Bible Jesus is called the Saviour [45.2]. Hebrews 7:25 says he saves to the uttermost, or he COMPLETELY saves. Eternal security is not a separate doctrine from salvation; if we are not saved forever then we were never saved at all because Christ saves us from ALL of our sins when we get saved (see #3); and gives us ETERNAL, EVERLASTING life (see #1). Christ came to save [46]. Once we are saved it is God’s responsibility, not ours, to keep our salvation, because we never could. Just as a believer can never save himself, he can never keep himself. We are kept “by the power of God” [47], not our power, and “HE is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against THAT DAY” [48]. When we are born again God begins a work in us that He will perform until the day of Jesus Christ [49]. Jude 24 says that Christ, not us, will KEEP us from falling and present us faultless to God. We are confirmed unto the end [50]. Christ is the “author and finisher of our faith” [51]. “Whatever God does, it will be forever and nothing can be put to it or taken from it” [52]; and that includes our salvation, AMEN!

The security of our soul depends on Christ’s righteousness, not our own [53] (see #4). If sinning in any way could cause one to lose his salvation, then Paul would have lost his, because AFTER he was saved he said he was the chief of sinners [54]. We get saved by God’s grace [55], not by what we do [56], and our salvation remains by God’s grace, not according to what WE do; we will be saved from wrath THROUGH him [57].

If we can do something to lose our salvation then God failed and our salvation was not only dependent upon God’s grace, but also upon our behaviour – which is works! (Doing works in the Lord’s name is not definite evidence of salvation, we must KNOW him as our personal saviour [58], see #8.) Salvation is a gift, not a wage [59]; it is obtained, not attained [60]. It never was deserved and never will be. If our safety is dependent upon our works then we are really saved by our works and must earn our salvation, which is a direct violation of Scripture and the truth of salvation by God’s grace ONLY [61].

A person who believes that he must work to keep his salvation, instead of work because he HAS salvation, needs to make sure he is ONLY trusting the Saviour Jesus Christ to take him to heaven and not Jesus Christ plus his good works; he needs to understand how to be saved and what salvation really is [62].

6. Jesus is Faithful – Not only are we kept by God’s power but we CANNOT come into condemnation [63]; we are NOT condemned [64]. Our intercessor is Jesus Christ [65] and he pleads our case when we are saved; that is why we can never be condemned again with the penalty of our already forgiven sins, or else Christ’s intercession is not sufficient. If we lose our salvation we are condemned again and the Scriptures [66] are not true! Once we are saved and given to Christ [67] we cannot be lost again because John 6:39 says that of all that God gives Christ, Christ will lose nothing (and we are something).

We will NEVER die [68] but will live forever [69] (see #1). Christ will IN NO WISE (under ANY circumstances) cast out any that come to him [70]. All that get saved will NEVER perish [71] (never means NEVER). Christ will NEVER leave us or forsake us [72]. NOTHING (including ourselves) can separate us from the love of God IN Christ [73], and all believers are IN Christ (see #4).

7. The Holy Spirit, Our Seal – God gives the Holy Spirit to every believer when we get saved [75] as the earnest (down payment [76]) of his promise to take us to heaven and give us our inheritance [77] (see #4). We can only be unsaved if we do not have the Holy Spirit [78], which means we would have to lose the Holy Spirit to get lost again; but the Bible says we are SEALED by and with the Holy Spirit UNTIL the day of redemption [79]. The Holy Spirit can be quenched [80] or grieved [81] but not lost.

8. The Sinful Believer and the False Christian – We will not be perfect until we get to heaven, and we may be disobedient, but we cannot lose our salvation. We can still fall, but not so as to be eternally lost, for the Lord upholds us [82]. We are still tempted and tried [83], as Jesus was [84], but only for the purpose of strengthening us and making us more of what the Lord wants us to be. Our works may not stand the fiery test of the judgement [85] but our salvation will [86].

Not all who claim to be saved are. Not all church members are saved. If they are saved, they will eventually show a change and false professors of Christ eventually fall away [87]. Just make sure you are trusting ONLY Jesus [88] and HIS righteousness [89] to get you to heaven, not YOUR faith or a prayer or work(s), and you believe (trust [90]) to the “saving of the soul” [91].

9. Misapplication of Scripture / Rightly Dividing the Word – One should not twist Scripture [92] talking about the Old Testament saints, Tribulation saints, or the losing of a ministry, testimony, nation, or life and try to make it prove a sinner forgiven by the grace of God through Christ’s blood can lose his salvation. The Word of God must be “rightly divided” [93] or it can be “wrested unto your own destruction” [94].

Scripture References
1. John 3:36; 5:24; 6:47,51; 10:28

2. I John 5:11-12; Romans 6:23

3. Colossians 3:4

4. Romans 6:9-10; I John 1:2

5. I John 2:25; Tit 1:2; Numbers 23:19; John 3:14-18; Romans 6:23

6. John 1:13; 3:3-7; I Peter 1:23

7. John 5:24; 11:25

8. II Corinthians 5:17; Galatians 6:15

9. Ephesians 2:10; 4:24

10. John 1:12-13; Romans 8:14-17; Galatians 3:26; I John 3:1-2

11. II Timothy 2:13; II Peter 1:4

12. I Peter 1:23; I John 3:9

13. Philippians 2:12-13

14. Hebrews 12:5-8

15. I Corinthians 5:5; 11:30

16. Hebrews 10:14

17. Romans 3:24-28; 5:1,9; Acts 13:39

18. I Corinthians 1:2; 6:11; II Thessalonians 2:13

19. Romans 4:8; 8:33; II Corinthians 5:19

20. Ephesians 1:7

21. John 1:29; Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:13; I John 1:7,9; 2:12; 3:5; Revelation 1:5

22. Psalms 32:1; 103:12; Isaiah 1:18; 38:17; 43:25; Micah 7:18-19; Acts 13:38-39; 26:18; Colossians 2:13; Hebrews 8:12; 10:17; I John 1:7; 2:12

23. Romans 12:5; I Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 2:21-22

24. Ephesians 5:30

25. Colossians 2:8-14

26. Ephesians 5:27

27. Ephesians 2:6

28. Romans 8:16-17

29. John 10:27-30

30. Romans 5:12

31. Romans 8:1-2

32. Ephesians 1:6

33. Jude 1; Psalms 37:28; II Timothy 4:18

34. I Corinthians 1:2

35. I Corinthians 15:22

36. II Corinthians 5:17; Ephesians 2:10

37. Colossians 1:28

38. II Corinthians 5:21; Philippians 3:9

39. Romans 8:2; Galatians 2:4

40. Ephesians 1:3

41. Ephesians 1:11

42. I Peter 1:3-5; Ephesians 1:13-14; Acts 26:18

43. Romans 3:10-12,23; 14:23; James 4:17; I John 1:8-10

43.1. Isaiah 53:9, 11; 59:17; John 8:46; 18:38; II Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 1:9; 4:15; 7:26-28; 9:14; I Peter 1:19; 2:22; I John 3:5.

44. I Thessalonians 1:1

45. Romans 6:3; 8:1-2,11; 12:5; I Corinthians 1:30; II Corinthians 1:21; 5:17; Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 2:6,10; Colossians 1:28; 2:7,10; I John 4:13; 5:20

45.1. I Peter 5:10

45.2. Acts 5:31; 13:23; Ephesians 5:23; Philippians 3:20; II Timothy 1:10; Titus 1:3-4; 2:13; 3:6; II Peter 1:1; I John 4:14

46. Luke 19:10; John 3:17; Acts 4:12; Titus 2:13-14

47. I Peter 1:3-5

48. II Timothy 1:12

49. Philippians 1:6

50. I Corinthians 1:8

51. Hebrews 12:2

52. Ecclesiastes 3:14

53. Romans 3:24-27; II Corinthians 5:21; Philippians 3:9

54. I Timothy 1:15; Romans 7:21-25

55. Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 11:6

56. Titus 3:5; Romans 4:5

57. Romans 5:9

58. Matthew 7:22-23

59. Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 5:18; 6:23

60. Hebrews 9:12

61. Romans 11:6; Galatians 2:21

62. John 3:3,18,36; 5:24; 6:28-29,47; 14:6; Acts 16:31; Romans 5:1; 10:9-10,13;

Galatians 3:22,26; Ephesians 2:8-9; I John 5:11-13; Revelation 22:17

63. John 5:24; Romans 8:1

64. John 3:18

65. Romans 8:33-34; I Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 4:15-16

66. John 3:18; 5:24

67. John 6:37

68. John 11:26

69. John 6:51

70. John 6:37

71. John 3:16; 10:27-30

72. Hebrews 13:5

73. Romans 8:35-39

75. John 7:38-39; Ephesians 1:12-13; I John 4:13

76. II Corinthians 1:22; 5:5

77. Ephesians 1:13-14

78. Romans 8:9

79. II Corinthians 1:21-22; Ephesians 1:12-13; 4:30

80. I Thessalonians 5:19

81. Ephesians 4:30

82. Proverbs 24:16; Psalms 37:24-25; 145:14

83. I Corinthians 10:13; James 1:2-4; I Peter 1:6-7; 5:10; II Peter 2:9

84. Matthew 4:1; Hebrews 4:15

85. II Thessalonians 1:7-10; I Peter 4:12-13; II Peter 3:9-13

86. I Corinthians 3:13-15; 5:5

87. I John 2:19

88. John 14:6

89. I Corinthians 1:30; II Corinthians 5:21

90. Ephesians 1:12-14

91. Hebrews 10:38-39

92. Matthew 5:19,22; 7:13,21-23; 8:11-12; 12:32; 13:21; 24:13,48-51; 25:1-13,25-29,34,40-41,45-46; Mark 3:29-30; Acts 1:25; 2:38; I Corinthians 15:1-2; II Corinthians 13:5; Romans 11:16-24; Galatians 5:4; Hebrews 3:6,14; 6:1-6; 9:28; 10:26-27; 12:14; James 5:20; Revelation 2:10; 3:5, 7; 12:17; 14:6-7,12; 22:14

93. II Timothy 2:15

94. II Peter 3:16

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  1. This discussion has held t o a high tone. And it is relevant to the claims of a very few Christian writers that keep banging away at their thesis that A.A. Cofounders Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob could not possibly have been Christians because they sinned after they were saved. Further, they claim A.A. could not have been a Christian fellowship at its founding in 1935 because it contained sinners. They have even gone so far as to claim that those of us who have carefully investigated and reported on the fact that the A.A. founders were (and they were) Christians could not themselves be Christians. I prefer those who–like most of the writers here–rely on what Scripture says and cite it. As to the other remarks, I’d just say I appreciate the whole discussion. It opens to AAs and others a subject pertaining to their early Christian fellowship that they just don’t know. God Bless, Dick B. See International Christian Recovery Coalition website.

  2. Anonymous says:

    once saved is always saved is a wrong and dangerous concept. If this is true then the new testament should have contained only the good news of salvation. because that is enough right (according to ur concept)? no need for james, peter, paul… to write how a christian should be because anyway he is saved.
    after salvation also ones actions matters a lot. pls read revelation , the message Lord has given to the 7 churches(ofcourse they r saved ones). there is also possibility that he might erase the names in the book of life(rev 3:5). overcoming n victorious life is mostly stressed in rev.
    all the isralites who came from egypt under moses are free from slavery and r the chosen people. but because of their unbelief and disobedience only one entered the promised land(place of rest). though it’s a free gift n promised for all who believe, it is our responsibility not to loose the gift.

    For if we are faithful to the end, trusting God just as firmly as when we first believed, we will share in all that belongs to Christ. (heb 3:14)

  3. Robert Maynard says:

    Salvation is BELIEVING in Jesus Christ
    Salvation is trusting or believing in, by faith, that Jesus Christ paid for your sins with His blood on the cross of Calvary.
    “He that BELIEVETH on the Son hath everlasting life:. . .” John 3:36
    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
    We are NOT saved by WORKS
    The Bible makes it clear that OUR WORKS has nothing whatsoever to do with our salvation.
    We don’t receive it by our works — and we don’t keep it by our works!
    ” NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us,. . .” Titus 3:5
    “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8,9
    Salvation is a FREE GIFT
    Salvation is the free gift of God. If we had to work to keep it — it would not be a free gift — and God would be a liar!
    “. . . the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6:23
    “. . .by the righteousness of one THE FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life.” Romans 5:18
    Salvation is a NEW BIRTH.
    Salvation is not enduring or a process, but an event in time. Salvation is a NEW BIRTH. Just as your first birth happened on a certain time and day, so does the second birth.
    “(For he saith, I have heard thee in a TIME accepted, and in THE DAY OF SALVATION have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted TIME; behold, now is THE DAY OF SALVATION.)” 2 Corinthians 6:2 “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3
    “Being BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” 1 Peter 1:23
    You become a CHILD OF GOD
    Once you are born again SPIRITUALLY — you become a child of God.
    “Beloved, NOW are we the SONS OF GOD, . . .” 1 John 3:2
    “For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, FATHER.” Romans 8:15
    Nothing can SEPARATE us from our Father
    Just as nothing can “negate” your physical birth, nothing can “negate” your spiritual birth.
    My children will always be my children. We may have troubled times. Our fellowship may be broken, but our relationship can never be broken. They will always be my children. Nothing or nobody can change that! And once you are born again spiritually — God becomes your Father — nothing or nobody can change that! Your fellowship may be broken, but your relationship can never be broken!
    “For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, SHALL BE ABLE TO SEPARATE US from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 8:38
    “My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.” John 10:29
    Jesus will NEVER leave us
    Jesus promised He will never leave us. Jesus could not say this if there was even a chance of losing our salvation.
    “. . .for he hath said, I WILL NEVER LEAVE THEE, nor forsake thee.” Hebrews 13:5
    “. . . and, lo, I am with you ALWAY, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” Matthew 28:20
    We already HAVE eternal life
    When the Bible speaks of possessing eternal life, it speaks in the present tense (hath, have, etc.) — SOMETHING WE ALREADY HAVE! If we had to work or endure to keep our salvation, this could not be true.
    “He that believeth on the Son HATH EVERLASTING LIFE:.. .” John 3:36
    “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE,. . .” 1 John 5:13 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE,. . .” John 5:24
    Jesus will NOT cast you out
    “. . . him that cometh to me I WILL IN NO WISE CAST OUT.” John 6:37
    We are COMPLETE in Jesus Christ
    “And ye are COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the head of all principality and power:” Colossians 2:10
    We are PERFECTED FOR EVER
    We are “perfected for ever” by Jesus Christ. How could the Lord say such a bold statement if we had to earn or keep our salvation?
    “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL. . . For by one offering he hath PERFECTED FOR EVER them that are sanctified.” Hebrews 10:10,14
    We are PRESERVED in Christ Jesus
    “Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED IN JESUS CHRIST, and called:” Jude 1
    “And THE LORD. . . WILL PRESERVE ME unto his heavenly kingdom:. . .” 2 Timothy 4:18
    We are KEPT by the POWER of God
    “Who are KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.” 1 Peter 1:5
    “Now unto him that is able TO KEEP YOU from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,” Jude 24
    We are saved to the UTTERMOST
    “Wherefore he is able also to save them to the UTTERMOST that come unto God by him,. . .” Hebrews 7:25
    We are SEALED until the day of redemption
    “And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby YE ARE SEALED unto the day of redemption.” Ephesians 4:30″. . .after that ye believed, YE WERE SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise,” Ephesians 1:13
    What about the BACKSLIDER?
    What about the “backslider” or somebody that forsakes the Lord? The Bible says he will suffer loss (rewards, etc.) — but he himself shall be saved!
    “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire.” 1 Corinthians 3:11-15
    We become the BODY OF CHRIST
    “For we are MEMBERS OF HIS BODY, of his flesh, and of his bones.” Ephesians 5:30
    “Now ye are the BODY OF CHRIST, and members in particular.” 1 Corinthians 12:18
    What if we later — BELIEVE NOT?
    Our salvation is so secure — even if we BELIEVE NOT after we’re saved, because we become part of Him (the body of Christ), “. . .yet he abideth faithful: HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF.”
    “If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF.” 2 Timothy 2:13
    But what if I sin an awful sin?
    1 Corinthians 5 reports of an awful sin in the church. And even though Paul commands “. . . To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh” — Paul still speaks of that person being saved — “. . .that the spirit MAY BE SAVED. . .”
    “It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. . .To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit MAY BE SAVED in the day of the Lord Jesus.” 1 Corinthians 5:1,5
    To lose your salvation — makes God a LIAR
    With all the PROMISES from God to KEEP you, to SAVE you, to PRESERVE you — to even suggest you could lose your salvation — is to call God a LIAR!
    “. . .he that BELIEVETH NOT GOD hath made him a LIAR; . . .” 1 John 5:10 Why do people doubt their salvation?
    They trust in feelings rather than the word of God.
    “He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool:. . .” Proverbs 28:26
    They are confused by the simplicity of salvation.
    “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from THE SIMPLICITY that is in Christ.” 2 Corinthians 11:3
    They trust in tradition or church teachings rather than the word of God.
    “Making the word of God of none effect through your TRADITION,. . .” Mark 7:13
    They trust in their own righteousness.
    “. . . and all OUR RIGHTEOUSNESSES are as filthy rags;. . .” Isaiah 64:6
    They misapply and misunderstand scriptures.
    They misapply scriptures such as Matthew 24:13, Hebrews 10:26 to the church age of grace, when they doctrinally apply to the tribulation or the millenium.
    They have NEVER been saved.
    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;. . .” Matthew 7:21
    HAVE YOU EVER BEEN SAVED?
    Is there a time and place in your life, when you trusted in the blood of Jesus Christ? Not joined a church, not kept the sacraments, not baptism, not good works — but simply, by faith, prayed and asked Jesus Christ to save you?
    To die without Jesus Christ will be the worst thing you could ever do.
    “And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE.” Revelation 20:15
    YOU CAN BE SAVED THIS VERY MINUTE!
    Know you’re a sinner.
    “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” Romans 3:10
    “… for there is no difference. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” Romans 3:23
    That Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay for your sins.
    “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, …” 1 Peter 2:24 “… Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,” Revelation 1:5
    And the best way you know how, simply trust Him, and Him alone as your personal Savior.
    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
    “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Romans 10:13

  4. One of the most common criticism of alcoholics in general and cofounders Dr. Bob and Bill Wilson in particular conerns the life that transgresses the commandments of God. Simply stated, God wants all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. The truth is that those who confess with their mouths that Jesus is Lord and believe in their hearts that God raised Jesus from the dead shall be saved and are saved. Romans 10:9-10. Can such a person still transgress God’s commandments? If he can’t, lots of alcoholics are wandering in a self-imposed wilderness. On the other hand, the earliest AAs, incuding Dr. Bob, Bill Wilson, those who acceded to the Akron A.A. program, emerged from the wilderness that awaits those not born again of the spirit of God. But they did not emerge from the duty of obedience to God’s Word, to stay in fellowship with God, His son, and other believers. The obedience offers the blessings of God. The last perfect man left us some 2000 years ago, but is returning for those who have become children of the one true living God, our Creator. In the meantime, I wonder how anyone can doubt the importance of all the Scripture which tells us that, except for one sin, we can be forgiven walk by the spirit and in the light no matter how far down the trail of transgressions we have chosen to walk. Even the man approaching the gallows has the option of a new birth, remission of sins past, and forgiveness for the subsequent sins if he asks forgiveness for them, and repents. John 3:16 describes the salvation that Jesus came to make available and unconditional. That’s a foundation stone that gives us the hope, no matter how far someone has seen us straying. And thank God for that. God Bless, Dick

  5. TruthTudor says:

    If you are having doubt about your salvation than I would highly recommend you to give your whole heart (100%) to the Lord! I am just as sure of my second birth as I am of my first. Probably more so because I was aware of my second??? This is where the false teachings are in our churches today. Catholics and Lutherans believe you are saved when you are baptized as a baby. So most Catholics and Lutherans miss out on the abundant life if not eternal life… Adolph Hitler was baptized as a baby in the Catholic church. I know I am not suppose to judge but somehow I get the feeling I will not see him in heaven.I was a member of the Catholic and Lutheran church and was not Born Again until my late teens. Discerning Truth and error will be paramount in these end times. Michael seems to have the gift of discernment. I try to follow the Holy Spirits promptings in relation to Scripture and watch what happens. To watch God at work is one of Life’s greatest pleasures….

    God Bless

    • Wow Eunice your story sounds familiar to mine however, i was asked a question last night, that confused me, i was baptised as a baby ‘catholic’ and told i must get baptised again why if i am born again, do you know where in scripture it clarifies this.

      kind regards & god bless you

      • JustAGuy says:

        Hi Nicky, Here are some verses to ponder.

        Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
        Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

        The first NT Church teaching on Baptism comes from Peter (the first Pope according to the Catholic Church that baptised you and me). He says a two-fold process for baptism – 1 Repent, and 2 Be Baptised.

        An infant does not have the ability to ‘repent’ and so the baptism is meaningless in way of Salvation. Baptism is symbolic of dying to our ‘self’ nature. Romans 6 covers the topic. How many selfish infants do we know? I mean those a few days old as in when they are baptised? Do baptised infants grow up with a sin awareness and a will to avoid sin? Not really. Baptism is founded on putting to death the old man and his ways. Biblically speaking the Catholic Church is in violation of scriptural precept on this point.

        And then the obvious question comes to mind. Do you know where in scripture infant baptism is clarified?

        Blessings and Peace,
        Timothy

        • The Protestants make much ado about
          “Water Baptism”.

          Did you know that some of the Christians that Paul baptised ,
          worked out their own norms for
          “Baptism” much like our Protestant and Evangelical friends ? –

          They were baptising themselves in water everyday.

          How does that sound for a ritual in
          religion ?

          The debate will never end , Christian friends !!! 🙂

          Vikki

  6. Eunice Ann Carr says:

    My own viewpoint is to point to how many times and where, Jesus says..”if you..” etc etc..!! Re-read the scriptures.

  7. 1. Eternal Life – The Bible says that ETERNAL life is a present possession [1]. If we could lose that life from God [2] then we never had ETERNAL life. Our life is Christ’s life when we are saved [3] (see #4) and Christ cannot die again [4]. I John 5:13 says we can KNOW that we have ETERNAL life. God promised eternal life and God cannot lie [5].

    The Bible defines Eternal Life as follows:

    John 17:3 And this is Eternal Life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

    To decide if you are the present possessor of Eternal Life, you have to ask if you REALLY know the Father and Jesus. It means knowing Him experientially, relationally. It doesn’t mean having a doctrine that says you know Him.

    Let the apostle John interpret the apostle John. In 1 John 2:3,4 it says:
    1Jn 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
    1Jn 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    Putting these two together: “If someone says ‘I have Eternal Life’ but does not keep His commandments, He is a liar, and the truth is not in Him”.

    Furthermore, John writes:

    1Jn 3:6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
    1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

    The words “sins” here is present continuous. So if you are sinning, you have neither seen Him NOR KNOWN HIM. In other words, you don’t have Eternal Life.

    Eternal life is promised to those who BELIEVE. The question is whether you truly believe, or you only “believe that you believe”. There is a difference. Can you believe in Jesus and not believe what he taught about repentance? Hardly.

    Jesus said that from those believing in Him, “Out of their belly would flow rivers of living water”. (John 7:37-39). He also said that those who believe in Him would do the same kind of works as Him. (John 14:12). Question: Do we believe in Jesus according to HIS definition of the word ‘believe’, or only according to OUR definition? ./ Which one will count on the last day?

    1 John 5:13 tells us that John wrote these things that we may KNOW that we have eternal life. What things? A couple of verses, or the whole book of 1 John with all its strong statements?

    The one arguing for “Once Saved always Saved” (OSAS) mentioned the idea that “Christ cannot die again”. Yes. Christ cannot die again, but WE could be cut off for unbelief.

    Rom 11:20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
    Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
    Rom 11:22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

    The thing to remember is that God blots out of His book those who do not overcome sin.

    Rev 3:5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

    This promise would be meaningless if God never blots anyone out of his book.

    It should be clear then by looking at all of John’s writings, that his meaning is never that you have something you can never lose through willful sin, just because it is called “Eternal”. That life is eternal, but your possession of it may not be. You have to continue in God’s goodness, continue in faith, abide in Christ, and keep yourself from sin. Otherwise, your faith is not one that Jesus or God the Father will recognize.

    If you don’t agree, take it up with the Apostle John, whose words you quote (in part).

    • (1) Michael- preserve this teaching it will provoke and satisfy many. Paul would approve (2 timothy).

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      (2) The promise of eternal life places “once saved always saved” under the scalpel- sliced home in your teaching. Yet it goes further…

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      (3) Your teaching raised an interesting question: what is the case for confining ourselves to the language used within a translation? (no criticism w.r.t your amplifying “present to present continuous”). This is for later.

      thank you, Peer.

  8. On February 2nd, 2009 Peer says:

    Once Saved Always Saved OR Spiritual Immunity?

    Robert, your passion is commendable but there is danger in what you are asserting if we leave this without balance. I will begin with a story.

    Many years back I found myself seated at a cafe enjoying a cup of Mocha with a close brother whom I had not seen for some time. Reuben’s greeting immediately went to the point “Peer how goes it in the Lord?” I replied, “not well- if the Lord returns tomorrow, I won’t be seeing you at the Wedding Feast”.

    Reuben immediately set out to disabuse me of this notion. He explained that no matter what had led to this notion I was but two steps away from reconciliation with God. All it would take is repentance and confession. Reuben went on, “Peer, “once we enter into the Salvation of the Lord it is beyond “repentance” on God’s part. If a man is reborn he cannot fall away!”

    My response was simple , “Reuben, it would seem that I was not reborn. Thank you, this offers hope?” If I considered that this confession would bring an end to the stream of encouragement, I had seriously miscalculated Reuben’s zeal. His voice rose a pitch or two and now I was exhorted to reject Satan who was the source of this lie planted in my mind. “The battle is in our minds Peer, Satan is attempting to undermine the assurance of your redemption!”

    Now, Reuben’s exhortation was filled with ripe Scripture- the man is a a veritable scriptopedia, a giant who would be well commended by Peter for his zeal in proffering reasons to support his belief.

    As I was listening an inner voice spoke: “Is Reuben speaking for your or his sake?”.

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    Robert- our approach to using Scripture has to be circumspect. If we use Scripture to justify a theological position, we should be careful to include: Scripture that supports our contention and that which denies the same. But the best approach is to look at what we are contending and ask simple prayerful questions.

    In the matter of “Once Saved Always Saved”- we need ask, why is this important? I can only think of two reasons, (1) to counsel and encourage a believer who has stumbled and fears for his position in the Lord. (2) We desire the comfort of a done deal.

    Let’s examine these two cases.

    (1) the stumbling brother Eric
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    Well Scripture is clear- repent, confess and our God will forgive (1 John). Does Eric need a discourse on the perpetuity of the benefits of rebirth? No- just the Scriptural prescription that brings health and restoration. The difference between a theological position and the Words of Life is the difference between speculation and oxygen, the one tickles the other…?

    (2) The Done Deal
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    Today the drive of most is towards comfort and surety. “If I do this, I am guaranteed that” I do this I get that- we are propelled towards comfort, reward and desperately seek stability. This is dangerously close to, “If I do this, I am entitled to that”. As for the “Done Deal” it flies in the face of the two requirements that allow a proper repentance and confession: humility and fear of God. If we do not possess these qualities, reconciliation with God is impossible whether we are born again or not.

    Jesus pointed to this in Luke 18 contrasting the prayer of the Pharisee with that of a sinner. Jesus states that the sinner was justified by his attitude- fear of God and humility. The Pharisee’s prayer went unheard.

    It is a matter of Motivation
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    Our path in Christ is a matter of motivation. What motivates us: are we chasing promises or is our zeal directed towards service and to grasp and own the way of Jesus? Did the Son of God step from heaven to earth to win a seat on his father’s throne? Or was God the Son motivated by obedience for his Father and compassion towards fallen man?

    Are we motivated to embrace the Son of God because he promises goodies: a physical healing, financial relief or to receive relief from an inner vacuum? Yes, Jesus is able to provide all of these and this perfectly. However, I suggest that we embrace Jesus because his ways, his Kingdom are infinitely preferable to that of the world.

    Judgment is falling on the Church, and it falling because the Church desires both the inheritance of sons and daughters of the Living God and with equal fervor, if not greater, the inheritance of heathens.

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    Surely this is a matter of Attitude and Motivation. The brother who sits with his face in the mud does not have to remain estranged from his Father one extra day. Reconciliation is knocking on his / her door. The only requirement is a right attitude- one rooted in The Fear of God and Humility. These are sufficient to support true repentance and confession. The parable of the Lost Son declares that these qualities perfectly restore and reconcile; further we receive as a bonus the fatted calf!

    Questions
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    But what of the brother who does not repent (or refuses to repent), or one whose confession is false? Should such a believer rest in the assurance that its a done deal?

    If a believer has such an attitude do we then say that this person never died to Christ, that this person was not reborn and never received the Holy Spirit?

    Is not proof of rebirth a continued willingness to repent, confess and seek reconciliation? Further is it not our duty as a body to provoke brothers and sisters to this end?
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    Robert- you have quoted many useful Scriptures. Each of these support (1) our great inheritance in the Lord (as sons and daughters), (2) the mercy and compassion of God and (3) the Love of the Shepherd for his flock (obedient or wayward).

    These Scriptures provide a firm foundation of assurance for the believer who like the sinner in the temple is filled with the fear of God and humility, one who is willing to repent, confess and thereby enjoy reconciliation with his Lord.

  9. jesseedavis says:

    I can say only this. Believe, believe, believe. No one is willing to test either end of this issue and so the ONLY way we can be sure which is true is to believe, believe, believe. There are well put arguments and evidence for both sides both in and out of Scripture. Live as if you can lose it, but rest assured that you have unconditional security as you abide in the will of God.

    Very well done, Robert, it is well put together and you did your homework well. My advice to everyone if you are interested in the matter of eternal security is to study each of these verses, their context, and their relation to the Scriptures that say otherwise. Put it all together and you will see two opposite ends intertwining very neatly and with a strong bond.

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