Life is falling apart before it even begins

Please help me. I have been dealing with the sin of sexual imorality. I haven’t had sex
but the actions and thoughts that keep coming at me and breaking me are leading me to it. Im only in high school i still have the rest of my life ahead of me I don’t want it to end with one mistake. In church i have been having many prophecies and they seem so wonderful and great, but I dotn know if i will ever reach them if i dont get past this problem. It has been going on since the 5th grade!!!! and im sick and tired of
it but no matter what i do i cant keep from looking at images and doing things that i
know i shouldnt be doing. I dont want to hear its normal. Its not normal to be looking at pictures and doing sexual things over and over again. If its not ok with the Lord then its not ok with me. I have prayed prayed prayed time and time after again but
i just cant seem to shake this terrible habbit off. Sometimes im able to stop looking at pornography or masterbaiting for a short period of time BUT THATS NOT ENOUGH. I have been dealing with this since the 5th grade!!! and i dont like it. The devil has knocked me down so many times to the point where i stopped reading my bible then stopped going to church. I feel like all hope is lost but im trying to hang in there with the last bit of faith i have left and im putting it into this paragraph im writing. I was born from my mom and dad having unprotected sex. I know my dad and i talk to him but we dont get along. I dont want to end up the same way my parents did and i dont want my kids to go through what i had to go through. SO PLEASE HELP ME I CANT HOLD ON MUCH LONGER!!

What do YOU think?

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  1. The Hopeful says:

    I dont know if anyone will see this post but i hope that everyone could pray for me because i am so lost.writing this brings tears but i hope that expressing it will help.I think that my desire to be changed might be tainted with selfishness.Im not sure if I will leave god once i am cleansed.I have been fighting my sexual lusts since elementary school.I would really like someone to help me find a place to start with my freedom.

    • jesseedavis says:

      🙁 I know how you feel, just hold tight and “be still and know that He is God.” Hear this, “Without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he that cometh to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.”

      Keep at it, it took me at least a week of crying and praying for Him to do exactly what you are crying and pleading over, to save you and free you. This sin has left you broken, and He will make you whole, completely whole. We’re praying for you.

    • Timothy Luke says:

      Hopeful. I don’t see how you could leave the One who cleanses you, after you are cleansed. For it is only by His power and love and grace that you shall remain cleansed. When He cleanses you, then you will know that it is HE who has done it and not yourself.

      To get free of sexual bondage, I strongly recommend Pure Life Ministries They are geared to help you overcome. We will also pray for you in our daily prayer groups (which you are welcome to join – just pm me and I’ll get you plugged in!).

      There is so much reason to hope. I struggled and fell for years and years with these issues – but now I am FREE! You can be too, and it is God who wants to enable you to be so!

      Be blessed and go with God. Keep posting. We will not condemn you nor grow weary.

  2. Why dosen’t the Pope come clean on this ?
    Does he not know that the Catholic Church can’t hide it sins
    from God ?
    Why , they can’t even hide their sins from man.

    Hey Catholics , check this link and review your options.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091126/ap_on_re_eu/eu_ireland_catholic_abuse

    Cheers

    Vikki

    • lookinforacity says:

      Dear Vicas

      I thought the First Stone would never be cast.
      Congratulations!
      John 8:7

      Be Blessed
      JIM

      • Well Bro Jim ,

        If someone does not cast the first stone , the child abusers
        will continue running loose for the next 50 years ,…….
        just as they currently are in America.

        As human beings , we need to stand up against institutionalised sin ,
        and not let the devil have his sway.

        Forgiveness is only for those who (truly) repent.

        These paedophiles and child abusers are the incarnation
        of Satan , …..and we should not be using Scripture to defend them.

        God Bless you ,…..for your thoughts.

        Cheers

        Vikki

        • warrior daughter says:

          Was Scripture used correctly or was it misused???

          John 8:7 was used as a weapon against a another Christian and not for edification ….

          Are we to not alert or warn others about dangers that lurk out there or are we to be silent?

          Will Christians be silenced by other Christians by using John 8:7 when they speak out on sin???

          All Christians must expose sin for what it is (death and contrary to God) and not be silenced or ridiculed for exposing sin.

          • Absolutely Warrior Daughter , absolutely !!!

            We need to stand up to sin ,and not let the Pope
            sweep it under the carpet , as is currently being done.

            For a moment , let each of us put ourselves in the shoes
            of those abused children , ……..
            ……….

            Then you realise how much it hurts.

            Frankly , I am begining to doubt how Christian the Pope is.

            Does he want to repent ? Or is he ready to be stoned ?

            Any of us Evangelicals ready to preach to him ? 😉

            Vikki

        • new creature says:

          ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD
          THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS. NO NOT ONE.

          Whether this sin or that sin, if we , anybody has broken one of the commands we have broken all James tells us.

          We must be righteously angry not for our own pleasure. But for the glory of God just as Jesus was.
          It is true that forgiveness is only for those who repent truly, BUT, WE must live the realm of forgiveness and not harbour to any degree any unforgiveness – which breeds bitterness, and resentment, and all manner of evil.

          If we make a stand against this or any kind of corruption, let us do so with compassion, and mercy, and holiness. Let us do so humbly, yet boldly. Let us do so, knowing that we used to be just as bad. Let us do so for the glory of God alone.

    • lookinforacity says:

      Vicas

      There is a smoking gun in the Protestant Church also. Pots, and Kettles are both black. .Lets raise the alarm!

      Studies “have shown no differences” in the frequency of clergy sexual abuse “by denomination, region, theology, or institutional structure.”

      Thus, “the problem of clergy sexual abuse is not just a Catholic issue – the problem extends to Protestant denominations as well.”

      Penn State professor Philip Jenkens reported that between 2 to 3 percent of Protestant clergy are pedophiles.
      His same study reported that less than 1.7 percent of Catholic priests are pedophiles.
      There is simply no reason to think that clergy child molesters are solely a Catholic problem.

      Insurance companies receive from Protestant churches each year about 260 reports involving allegations of sexual abuse committed against minors.
      This is MORE than the annual number of 228 abuse incidents reported against Catholic priests.
      That reality is particularly noteworthy because Catholics keep track of even “credible accusations,” which Southern Baptists don’t even bother to determine or keep records on.

      JIM

      • Thanks for the revelation , Bro Jim.

        I did not realise that the Protestants were as badly off ,
        when it came to child / clergy abuse.

        I truly believe that much of the problems with traditional
        churches is that they don’t want to change , and they don’t
        give the Holy Spirit a chance.

        Frankly , when hard core drug addicts can get delivered
        in a span on a few minutes in Evangelical prayer meetings ,
        I dont see what prevents the ‘clergy’ in traditional churches
        from getting delivered from these ‘activities’ of theirs ,
        in similar meetings.

        I am quite sure that if some of our really anointed Evangelical
        preachers went and preached to these undelivered bretheren,
        of ours (the clergy in the Catholic and Protestant Churches ),……
        more than 50% of them would be delivered.

        This instead of hordes of psychologists and researchers ,
        producing reams of paper , ……which dont quite solve the problem.

        After all Jesus came to set prisoners free , …right.
        Not only , prisoners who are behind iron bars ,……..
        but prisoners who are into grevious sexual sin ,…..
        like these child & women predators and homosexuals
        within the church.

        Both the Pope , the Archbishop of Canter
        bury and their counter
        parts in other denominations ,….are more interested in
        protecting their organisations , ….than in preaching the
        good news of Jesus Christ.

        Excuse my saying so , ….but frankly ,
        half their minds are dominated by Satan.

        We need to pray the Lord , that the Leaders of the Church
        both Traditional as well as Contemporary , walk in the way of the Lord

        Vikki

        • warrior daughter says:

          The problem is exactly this…it has became an organization with a splattering of gospel in it.

          It seems that in every church denomination things are swept under the rug and sin is not dealt with. Sometimes it is swept under due to the $$$ brought in. Other times the leadership is so charismatic that it over rules the dealing with sin. Sometimes sin is swept under the rug to protect the sinner from gossip …There are probably many reasons why sin is not dealt with.

          I believe that God chastizes those whom He loves. People seem to forget this. With chastizement from the Lord you will go through a time of grief over what you have done but you will also pull closer to the Lord ..There will be times that you feel far from Him but you must continue on….After going through chastizing you will be taught a very valuable lesson and by going through it (remember that the Lord is with you each moment of the chastiment) and you will not return to the sin.

          • Well Warrior Daughter ,

            Any suggestions what a lost sheep like me should do ?

            I grew up with the Catholic Church , ….believing that it was
            the only true religion in the whole wide world ,
            the Church of God Almighty…..;
            then I found it was rotten on the inside ,
            with all the paedophiles , closet homosexuals
            rapist priests and sexually active nuns ,……..

            Went over to the Evangelicals ,…..who have their own
            versions of the same things ,…………
            with the emphasis on money ,
            money and more money ,……..
            the prosperity gospel , ….
            and a dash of fake healings ,….and faked
            ressurections ,(Todd Bendley style …….)
            all telecast on GodTV , ……

            Phew ,……….and now once again , I don’t know where to go,
            and whom to believe ,………..

            I am not asking for a one or two line scripture ,……..
            but does any one know of a major church denomination ,
            which is worth following ,who have their doctrine right
            and whom the Lord himself would certify as worthwhile
            ……..preferably one that is present in India.

            Cheers

            Vikki

          • Hi Saints ,

            Does any body know about David Herzog , firsthand ,
            like attended his meetings ,…..or been intouch with him
            or gone over to his house and stuff ,…..?

            Recently he came to my town ,…..

            There were a couple of preachers swearing by him,
            and several other preachers swearing at him.

            One preacher told me that gold dust came into her hands
            during his meeting ,…….
            and some one else told me that he was a close associate
            of Todd Bentley ,…….and took part in the Lakeland “Revival”
            and needs to be avoided at all costs ,……

            Await your replies , Saints.

            Vikki

          • new creature says:

            Do a search on Todd Bentleigh, and weigh what you read or hear in light of God’s Word. There are some things there that I am really concerned about. If DH has been influenced by TB, then after you make a careful judgment, ask the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ to show you what you must do. Ask Him to show you in His Word how to rightly discern between clean and unclean spiritual things. Do what Jesus instructs you to do and if you have to wash yourself (spiritually speaking) then do so and let Him lead you. At least one thing you will gain, a better reliance on Your Saviour.

            I could make some comments here but you let the Good Shepherd guide you. He is Faithful. And what He says will be what you may find in the Word anyway.
            Lord help Vikki in Jesus name.

          • warrior daughter says:

            Keep searching for a church. Don’t give up and you are not a lost sheep if you do not attend a church. A lost sheep is someone who has given up on God…

            I left the AOG after 26 years with them. I also attended one of their colleges. The reason I left was my pastor endorsing things that were not of God and bringing people in that had attended Lakeland so called revival which was nothing more than self being exalted.

            I would have never thought that I would ever say no to the AOG but I was very angry for over a year and I had to force myself to attend. Since I have left my church, many others have left my former church and according to Springfield, Missouri (headquarters of AOG) the AOG has lost 50 % of its people in the past several years…..

            Another reason I left was the greiving and the limiting of the Holy Spirit. Only certain people were allowed to use their gifts and they had to be in the pastor’s little clique. I have had people who still attend this church come to me in tears over the greiving of the Holy Spirit. They know that the Spirit is no longer in this church. Then on the other hand I have had those in leadership met me in stores and not even acknowledge my presence and when I spoke to them in a greeting they looked at me as if I were the devil. My former church is on the road to becoming nothing more than a social club.

            I am now attending a non-denominational church that is doing the things that we are suppose to do, pray for the sick, give to missions, do deliverance, think of others more highly than self, witness, preach the gospel, baptize, teach, etc. The atmosphere is so much different and the first time I attended a great peace came over me.

            Do not give up my friend for God loves you and He will lead you to the church you are suppose to attend.

            Another thing sometimes our church becomes an idol in our life instead Jesus who is suppose to be most important in our life…

          • Hi vikki

            The most important part of our Christian life is being obedient to the Lord and living in purity. This is much more important than church membership or attendance. This is not to say that one should not attend church.
            There is no perfect church and as long as there are people in the church, you would probably be able to find in the church. We need to look only to Jesus and not to a preacher, or denomination or even non denomination. This way we won’t be too disappointed if they fall into gross sin or error.

            In finding a church my counsel is to ask God to lead you and place you in the church of his choice for you. Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge God and he shall direct your paths.

            You do seem to have some level of discernment; however I feel that you need to guard against developing a critical spirit. Don’t put your faith in big time preachers, the bible says have faith in God. If there is no good church around you it might mean that you have to stand alone for a while. Also pray that God gives you godly Christian friends that you can have fellowship or pray with.

            Sometimes periods when we are alone and have no one to depend on are the best times that God uses to mature, strengthen, correct and refine us. Let this period where you are looking for a church also be one where you behold the beauty of the lord.

            I have never been to India, so I can’t personally recommend any church; I would to visit on a missionary trip one day in God’s timing. I have given the website of an English evangelist to India. I hope that they might be able to help as they have done some church plants in your country. http://www.standlakeranch.co.uk

            David

          • lookinforacity says:

            Dear Vicas

            Our Hope is not in a Religion, Denomination, Church, Pastor.

            2Ti 4:3
            For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

            2Pe 2:1
            But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

            The question is, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
            Did these teachers come into the Church, and lead it astray?
            Or did the people want more, than God had to offer?

            Either way it happened is irrelevant, because the outcome is the same.

            “The Church, is divided.”

            Mat 12:25
            And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

            Everything we see the Church has become, are symptoms of an underlying disease.

            Mat 13:25
            But while “MEN” slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

            Notice it says when men slept, God didn’t sleep we did. We have allowed this to happen.

            1Pe 4:17
            For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

            We have lost the vision.
            Although we have the law within our hearts.

            Pro 29:18
            Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

            Rom 2:15
            Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

            Eph 4:3-14

            3) Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
            4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
            5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
            6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
            7) But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
            8) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
            11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
            12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
            13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
            14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

            So VICAS until you eventually find the building you will call your home, (church).
            “HERE IS YOUR CHURCH”

            Mat 18:20
            20) For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

            You must know others, you can fellowship with.
            This site also constitutes a Church, your not a lost sheep, Jesus knows exactly where you are in his love.

            Blessings Till Then
            JIM

          • new creature says:

            JESUS said – commanded – FOLLOW ME!

            In following Jesus, we are to keep His word – His Word is holy, it is life – holy living, and spirit – Spirit led living. In following Jesus we are to be filled with His Holy Spirit.
            The life we are to live in Him is a holy life. That is a pure life. Not pure in lablel only but pure in deed and truth.

            The trouble with the churches – is that say, we are taught and therefore say, “we cannot be holy in this life…only in Heaven. Every body is going to keep on sinning. Get used to it”.

            God did not say Be ye holy in Heaven, as I am holy. He was talking to real mortal, clay vessel, people on earth. Only few folk got is right most of the time in the O.T.

            But NOW Jesus has poured out of His glorious HOLY Spirit so that we may follow in the holy footsteps of Jesus. To be filled with the Holy Spirit means that we are filled with the Spirit of holiness – not just ‘a spirit from God.

            The Church of Jesus Christ has made much of a few passages of Scripture which they interpreted in light of their own experiences or those of other good men – ” Can’t be perfect, we are just sinners saved by grace kind of thing”.
            That is not the gospel (good news) of Jesus Christ.

            That kind of preaching will produce a certain kind of fruit. But it will not produce faith for a consistent holy – in real terms holy life. This holy life is meant to be lived, not just dreamed about, or hoped for in the shy bye and bye.

            We have gotten our eyes of the Holy Jesus who told to follow Him in the power – ability and authority of the HOLY Spirit, the same Holy Spirit that He was filled with and which kept and guarded His feet in this corrupt world.

            Many of the priests in Jesus’ day were not a good example of holiness. (‘Do as I say, but not as I do’ gospel.)

            Let us weep before God for the condition of His house. Let us cry out to Him for the fear of the Lord once again to come among us. Let us cry out for the power of the Holy Spirit to invade and possess us in every respect.

            Where to go for fellowship with saints of like mind? I have struggled with that for years. Let the Good Shepherd lead His sheep where He will, to this place or that place. And let us never get our eyes of Jesus. We may see many or few things out of order or wrongly emphasized, but we can be a light and show an example even if it is a quite one, or a noisy one if necessary. But we do not do this for our sakes but for His great name sake which is holy.

            Jesus said, “And all things, whatever you may ask in prayer, believing you shall receive.” (Matt. 21:22 and elsewhere).

            This is an often used verse in connection with getting people physically healed or delivered from demons, and so on. But has any one thought to apply it to asking God for the power to live a holy life above sin.
            “Oh we can’t do that because my pastor says..We can’t do that because that would be believing in that false doctrine of sinless perfection…” (etc, etc). Excuses, excuses, excuses.

            Did Jesus say “All things excluding holiness in real terms”?

            Jesus will come to His house and purge it. No worries about that. Already judgment has begun in the house of God. But more to come folks.

            Living a holy life is not about doing works of the flesh trying to please God. It is all about yielding to Him who is holy so that His holy life might be outworked in us.
            Jesus did not go around saying “Hey folks, do you see how holy I was in that situation… wow…wasn’t I great?” Not at all. He just let the life of His Father flow out. Neither should we. Jesus just lived it. So should we.

            This is how simple it should be for us. And don’t tell me that Jesus could do this because He was God. That is an argument well used by the devil among God’s people.
            A child who loves his dad will copy the very words and actions of their dad. And do so, freely, and joyfully. Even if the dad is drinking from a stubby, a little child will just copy if they like their dad so much.
            And they can do those things because they have the nature of their father in them. Get it? It’s normal for them. Either with good or bad things.

            It is normal for God to be HOLY. It was normal for Jesus to be HOLY. Holiness is a state of being, of being in and affected in every way by that state.
            When we ‘get saved’ we come out of a state of sinfulness (impurity) into a state quite contrary to that; a state of holiness (purity). All we could do in our former state was impure in every regard. We say that we have been brought into the Kingdom of God. That Kingdom is righteousness (right standing and right living), peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. That’s sounds like Heaven to me.

            We rave on about Jesus being our Saviour. And so we should.
            He saved us out of so that He could bring us into. There is no limbo state in God’s economy.
            Jesus did not just bring us out of past sins, brothers and sisters and let us hang around somewhere waiting for some supernatural extraction to take place in the bye and bye. Heaven is meant to be lived now. Why do we think that Jesus said that we are to pray that the HOLY Father’s will be done on earth (in clay vessels) in the same way it is done in Heaven?

            If we are now the children of God, and we say this by saying we are ‘saved’ – Saved from to what? Saved out of for sure, but saved into what??? Are we no better than the dear deceived Catholics who go to confession only to get back into the thing that they were confessing as ‘bad’, and then go back to confessional adn around and around they go till death comes and then they wake up too late.

            Is that the power of the gospel we have heard?

            The gospel of JESUS CHRIST IS the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes – BELIEVES.. But what is this salvation. It is the peace of God, the completeness of God, it is the healing of God, it is the glory and light of God, it is the life of God, it is the deliverance of God…plus.

            We have to get renewed in our thinking. This renewal according to what Jesus actually taught and lived, has the very power of God to change our behaviour – IF WE DARE BELIEVE IT.

            It should be normal for us to be, actually be, observably be holy not just in label, but in a tangibly visible lifestyle. IF WE HAVE GOD’S HOLY NATURE IN US – which must be the case if we are born from above – of God.

            if we are born of God… we cannot sin as far as that new nature is concerned says John (1 Jn. 3) God’s nature cannot sin. It is our old nature that sins in our fleshly body. Yes we are guilty. And so we must confess our guilt in each and every case. But then we are washed clean so that we my live in the new nature of God that He gave us, which nature is holy – HOLY – pure.

            Where are the teachers or God’s Word that will teach this? I hope their are still some who do – God bless them. And may all the people say “Amen”.

            Water baptism was as Paul explains (Rom 6) is the death with Christ of our old life – sinful unholy life) and the raising up our our spirit, soul and body, into His resurrection life of HOLINESS. And the baptism with, into (immersion) or reception of the HOLY Spirit was to enable us to so live, not simply to verbalize some mystery of God which is precious in its own right.

            Heaven is filled with holiness. Heaven should be in our hearts. Our treasure should be in Heaven. – Holy treasure.
            Many teachers say we will sin in this life. Why do they asy this – I used to believe it myself. But I have seen no Scripture to support this statement. It is an assumed position with no real evidence except one’s own experience.

            John says IF – IF we sin (1 Jn. 1:9). Not when but if. Jesus said Watch and pray lest you fall into temptation. We don’t do enough of that. That is why we fall. But we don’t have to. And the praying needs to be grounded in God’s holy Word and holy desires. But we must start and continue…

            The problem is not the gospel, but our understanding and application of it.
            Jesus paid a great price not so that we may be overcome by temptation and our ow lusts and keep coming back to Him for cleansing, which He will do.
            He paid the price He did to bring us right out of all that other kingdom of darkness – sin and bondage into and fully into not just our spirit’s into but also our mortal body and soul, fully into His glorious Kingdom which is inundated with the Spirit of HOLINESS.

            Let us follow Jesus and hear what He is saying. Minds on Heaven. Feet on earth. Heart all filled with love, and life and light. Eyes on pure things. The Holy Spirit aiding us to live by faith in the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.

            Holy desire. Holy discipline. Holy delight. Holy Jesus. Holy Word of God. Holy faith. Holy Spirit. Holy life.
            Sin? It has no rightful place in those believing in Jesus Christ.
            The Word of God shows us how we can live above sin. It is loaded with holy treasures of holy beauty and power.

          • Holyroller_11 says:

            thank you,real blood washed born again saints of God are hard to find,your right,he who sinneth is of the devil,by what I read from you now,tells me you have been with God,!

          • This was in your post titled “Following”: “if we are born of God… we cannot sin as far as that new nature is concerned says John (1 Jn. 3) God’s nature cannot sin. It is our old nature that sins in our fleshly body. Yes we are guilty. And so we must confess our guilt in each and every case. But then we are washed clean so that we my live in the new nature of God that He gave us, which nature is holy – HOLY – pure.”

            I would like to comment on this paragraph and see what you think about it.

            When God created Adam and Eve, He gave them His divine nature. No other nature was in them at the time. I know, because God said everything He had made was “very good.” So only what was good would be in them. Therefore, one has to ask this question: Why did they sin? They had no sinful nature to blame it on. Of course the devil had his hand in it, but he could not make them sin.

            We all know that God gave man the ability to choose. Our choices are determined by our will. Our will is what we want, or desire to do. So, I have determined that their will caused them to make the wrong choice. In other words, they desired the wrong thing.

            Our sinful nature is the thing that separates us from God. Jesus came to do away with that separation. Therefore He had to rid us of that sinful nature. This sinful nature is also called “the old man” by Paul in the following verses:

            “Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.” Romans 6:6-7

            This tells me that once we are saved the old man dies, because the old man has been crucified with Christ. The sinful nature, or the “old man” has to die, because the Spirit of God and the sinful nature cannot dwell in the same place. It is just like heaven in that sense. Sinners cannot dwell in heaven with God. That’s why a person has to be saved. That’s why the fallen angels were cast out. Sin and death has no place in heaven.

            Here is another way to look at it. In the Old Testament, God dwelt in a man-made Tabernacle. Would He have allowed sin to dwell in that Tabernacle with Him. Had anything sinful tried to enter in, that person or thing would have been destroyed. Now God dwells in the body of the believer. The believer has become His Tabernacle. Would He allow anything sinful to remain in there with Him?

            Paul also talks about what happens to our flesh in the following verse:

            “And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” Galatians 5:24

            This is an action that the Christian decides to take. They determine to crucify the things in them that are sinful. This takes time. The power of the flesh over the body has been broken, so now the Christian needs to shed those things that are not Christ-like. So, if our flesh has been crucified, why does the Christian sin today?—for the same reason Adam and Eve sinned. The Christian choses by his or her own will to sin. Therefore we cannot blame the sinful nature for causing us to sin. It’s dead just like Paul said.

            In the Old Testament, when Adam and Eve sinned they lost the divine nature God had given them. But that is not the case for the believer under the New Testament. The divine nature remains even if the believer sins. If it doesn’t remain, then, there is no difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament. However, I believe there is a difference. That difference is the Lord Jesus Christ. He has put His blood on the believer’s “doorpost” so to speak to indicate that a death has already taken place for his or her sins. Because He is a living sacrifice, He is able to mediate for His children on their behalf, when they do sin (I John 2:1-2).

            Just one other thing. I agree with you when you say God’s nature does not sin. Good insight.

          • new creature says:

            A couple of points.
            Yes, praise God for Jesus and His perfect sacrifice for sins, and His dealing with its guilt, and shame, its enslavement, and condemnation and final judgment.
            I think it is important to take note of what John says (1 Jn. 2:1, ). “My little children, I write these things to you, so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.”.

            First, John wrote with a very clear purpose – THAT WE DO NOT SIN. I think this is often overlooked by many believers – it was by me for many years.
            And praise the Lord, it is the Holy Spirit Himself who enables us to overcome temptation so that we do not sin, by means of prayer, thanksgiving, the Word, and so on.
            Also John doe not say ‘when’ we sin, but, ‘if’ we sin. Let us ponder on that often.

            Now let us consider the will. It is true that we WILL to sin, or, that we allow our will to become weak lax so that we just sort of succumb to temptation and the desires of the flesh – the old man. Either way, we give place to the devil. That is what yielding to temptation is – it’s giving place to the devil, as well as giving in to lust of the eye, the flesh, or the swallowing the bitter pill of the pride of life.

            But where does the will, the human will reside in its vessel?
            It is commonly understood that the will is a part of the soul, and in its simple form, the soul is the emotions, will and intellect.

            When God made the man (and woman) He breathed into him the breath of life and man became a living soul – they were innocent, pure and naive, ignorant about spiritual things.
            Although this was a gift of God to make the man and the woman in this fashion and give them that which He did as to their human makeup, it remains a question for me whether they had been given the divine nature, If the Scripture teaches this will gladly accept it. You may like to point this out to me more clearly.
            I am sure that God desired that they learn spiritual things, – if only they would ask Him (like the disciples often did of Jesus).
            The moment Adam entered into sin, they both were cut off from God. Their human spirit died to God, having become alive to sin and having come under the authority of satan.

            The will was the decisive factor. Their will was involved, but so was the rest of their being. Eve heard the serpent’s words with her ears; sense. Eve reasoned with the serpent, intellect. Eve spoke to the serpent – speech – direct communication, with the devil??? Never enter into dialogue to try to reason with the devil, he is too clever for us. We must dialogue with Jesus, and the Father In Heaven.
            Eve touched (the senses) the forbidden fruit. Eve desired the fruit – emotional involvement; her salivary glands were working – physiological involvement. Eve ate, another sense activated.
            Then she got her husband involved with her sin, and there is no doubt he would have recognized that fruit as the very one God had forbidden.
            All those things that were involved in that first sinful action, as well as the will, are called by Paul, ‘the flesh’. It was pure soulish activity.
            Now when God told Adam he could eat of every tree in the garden, it is plain that God was allowing him to look, desire and smell, take and put the teeth into and enjoy both physically and with the soul (e.g. Deut 12:21, 14;26). The soul here is the same word as in Gen. 2;7 and refers to the whole person, and thus includes the ‘soul’.

            It is true that God breathed into the man, and that he was made in the image and likeness of God. But that which Adam had before his fall into sin and death is not the same thing as we may enjoy through Jesus Christ – for in this second Adam we have been made new creatures literally a new (never previously known before) kind of creature.
            Though ‘the flesh’ has been crucified with Christ, it is up to us to enact that truth daily not in our own ability but in the power of the HOLY Spirit. So Paul says I die daily (1 Cor. 15;31; also Rom. 12:2; 6:13).
            Though the sinful nature is ‘dead, it is only dead’ if we do not allow sin to reign in our mortal bodies (Rom. 6), and if we put it under direct rule of our spirit which should be under direct control of the Holy Spirit. If something is dead it can no longer do anything. If our sinful nature is dead it can no longer sin. The sinful nature can be raised from the dead by our yielding to temptation. Every day we must count ourselves dead to sin – crucified with Christ and buried with Him as to our old nature, but alive to God as to our new nature . . Jude says that we are to build up our most holy faith by praying in the Holy Spirit. The more we build up our faith the stronger our spirit will become and we will in Christ have strength to overcome. Jesus told Peter that the way to overcome temptation was to pray. I have wasted years in front of the TV, when I should have been on my knees before God, and if I had have done so more diligently and fervently I would have been able to resist the devil, nad woul have been better equipped to quench the fiery darts of the wicked. I no longer have a TV. As some one has appropriately called it hellivision..
            The more we yield to Jesus our Lord, the better off we will be and the more we will please Him, and the more effective we will be to do the Father’s will, which is to live above conscious, willful sin, and to know that we are actually seated in heavenly places in Christ, and to fill our minds and affections on things above not on things below. (Col. 3). Thank You Jesus for laying down Your life for us, and allowing Your body to be broken and Your blood to be shed for our sakes. And thank You for allowing us to be crucified with You, buried with you in baptism and raised with You into newness of life in the Spirit. Hallelujah!

            .

          • I want to clarify what I mean by the divine nature. (2 Peter 1:4 mentions the divine nature.) When I speak of the divine nature, I am referring to God’s nature. God gave Adam and Eve His nature. It is my understanding that children here on earth get their nature from their earthly fathers. It’s the same with the heavenly Father and His children. Since Adam was God’s son by act of creation, he and his wife would have naturally been given God’s nature. (See Luke 3:37.)

            As you know, when Adam and Eve sinned, they took on a fallen or sinful nature. As I stated earlier, this nature is what separates man from God. This nature has also been passed down to every generation through the father. That’s why God had to be the Father of Jesus through His Holy Spirit. In order for Him to be our Savior and Lord, He had to be born out from under the curse of a fallen nature. As a result, Jesus, the second Adam, had the nature of God in Him just as the first Adam did in the beginning. When He died for our sins, He gave us the ability to get the divine or godly nature back. It’s the presence of that nature in our lives that makes us right with God.

            As far as our flesh goes, the more we die to our sinful desires the better off we are. What do I mean by “die”? I’m not talking about killing ourselves. I am talking about putting to death those sinful habits that so easily besets us and pulls us down.

          • new creature says:

            Thanks Sunrise.
            I couldn’t agree more that the first Adam was the ‘son of God’, because the Scripture states that clearly.
            Did God give Adam something of His divine nature, or a nature unique to the creature?
            It is clear that when God breathed into the clay vessel – an, there was an impartation of something of Himself into the man, But as to the details of that impartation can we be certain? I think that the Scriptures are silent, and I think there are some unanswered questions about that.
            But when we read about Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, and what the apostles reveal to us about God in Christ, the picture is much clearer. many details are given to us which enable us to understand by the Holy Spirit some things about the divine nature of Christ Jesus given to us who truly believe.
            These things far surpass what Adam and Eve ever had, even before their fall. And that is because Jesus as the second Adam supersedes the first Adam in every respect, even in what he was before his sin. Would you not agree

            And yes, we are to put to death the practices of the body, as Paul says, by the (Holy) Spirit (Rom. 8:13). And by doing so we shall live. Let us seek to so live.

          • childofjesus says:

            New creature, I liked the explanation. May God Bless u and continue to lead you in His victorious path.

        • It is very easy to think that all or most of the problems with paedophiles, child abuse, and homosexuality is mainly in the traditional churches and the simple solution is that they should come to an evangelistic or charismatic church and they could be set free by the power of God. We might think that they don’t want to change, but may be have some responsibility to reaching out to them. Many in traditional churches are not saved, however they are a lot of them as well that live a God fearing live before the Lord Jesus.

          Unfortunately these things are happening in charismatic churches just as well, I personally think there is not much difference. We believe in the supernatural but we also need to remember that we worship a holy God. For God is no respect of persons. Last week I watched a television documentary called saving Africa’s witches children. One preacher confessed while being interviewed that he has murdered 120 children whom he believes to be witches(this was all done in the name of Jesus, the gift of prophecy and deliverance) Picture were shown of little children that had there behinds burnt with fire to extract confessions. I was once a member of a church in UK where the Pentecostal pastor was accused of rape and sexual assault by more than 10 women in the church. He went to jail.

          So the problem is everywhere

          How can we help traditional churches?
          Things we can do about it
          a. We can pray righteousness be exalted in our nations and holiness to prevail in the church.
          b. We can intercede for people that are bound by these sins even if they don’t ask for prayer. God reigns in the affairs of men, personally I have seen many people changed by simply praying for them over a period of time.
          c. Being a good example to people in these churches. Many times people turn off Pentecostal, charismatic and Word of faith churches because of all the hype, sin and greed they see. It is only when we get our own house in order that we can minister effectively to the catholic and traditional churches. Jesus said “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.”
          d. Show them love and compassion
          e. Pray that they God open their eyes to see truths in his word. God can give them a spirit of wisdom and revelation, just as much as he can give us. The teaching doesn’t necessary need to come through us.
          f. Let’s walk in humility towards them. Let’s remember that God does not love us more than them.

          g. We also need to be accountable and to hold people who sin to be accountable for their sin. In some churches some people especially charismatic leaders think that they are accountable to no-one for their actions. Gross sin should never be swept under the carpet. We need to stop having a man fearing spirit. The bible guidelines for confronting a church leader of sin as i understand it is found in 1timothy 5v19-20

          Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. 20Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.

          David

          • Courage and Warrior Daughter,

            Thanks for enlightening me on the real situations
            in various churches.

            It is horrifying to know that some pastors have murdered
            children !!!
            (Seems no better than the Catholic church of the middle
            ages , burning ‘witches’ at the stake.)

            Pray that God leads me(and other wandering sheep) on the right path.

            In the Lord

            Vikki

  3. lookinforacity says:

    Dear Journey

    You need to put things into a more clear perspective.
    From the sound of your words, your desperate. Believe it or not, that is a good place to be.
    If this did not bother you, you would really be in trouble.

    Psa 46:1
    God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.

    Heb 4:16
    Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

    2Co 12:9
    And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

    By a more clear perspective I mean, (define for yourself, the SIN of sexual immorality).
    Can you find that as “A” sin in the Bible?
    What I’m trying to get across to you is, you are beating yourself up with this problem. Put it into a perspective you can then deal with.

    This is the true perspective.
    There are no degrees of Sin with God.
    All Sin, is a stench in the nostrils of God.
    All Sin, requires a death penalty.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to diminish your actions, I’m only trying to get you to understand, you are not unique to sin. Your not the only one that does bad things, but now with the understanding of what I have just said about sin, what makes your sin more heinous than anyone else’s sin?

    There is a person that is a kleptomaniac, half way through the act of stealing something, they feel guilty, but because of the thrill they derive from this act they can’t stop, afterwords they can’t approach God again asking for forgiveness, because they are addicted, knowing they will do it again, plus they have asked so many times in the past.

    1 Cor. 10:13
    There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

    Heb 12:1
    Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

    Now, after everything that has been said, we come to the question.

    How do we, can we deal with Sin in our lives?

    JIM

  4. Thank you, Tim and Daniel. Its been really hard and im glad I took this step to talk about my problem. You don’t know how much this has helped me. Thank you again.

    • Timothy Luke says:

      Keep us posted. “Confess your faults one to another that you may be healed.” Keep up the good fight. The victory is yours for the taking!

  5. Hi Journey

    I would totally follow Tim’s advice foremost. I thought this might also help you, as it is helping me, by exposing the lie of pornography and the industry for what it really is. When you expose something to the light and the truth it loses some of its power.

    Here is a website – linked to articles about former pornstars testimonials about how and why they left the industry, and what really goes on in it: http://www.shelleylubben.com/shelleys-articles

    Here is the home page where you can check out statistics and what not about the ‘real pornography’ industry. http://www.shelleylubben.com/

    Here is also a very moving video testimonial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReXkySP9ZZc

    God Bless
    Daniel

  6. Timothy Luke says:

    Dear Journey. You are right. Sin is not normal it is abnormal. It brings forth all the fruits you are dealing with.

    I want to commend you for keeping yourself from sinning with another person. That is a big step. I have family and friends who know who I am on this board, but I am here to encourage you and to tell you the truth. YOU CAN BE FREE! Thankfully I although I had exposure to pornography, I was able to keep myself from getting into it and hooked by it. However, the sin of masturbation plagued me from my teen years into adulthood before I finally became free.

    This may seem a strange question, but have you been baptized with water and in the Holy Spirit? We need God’s power to overcome. Sometimes I would get stuck with the feelings of, “I’m not good enough to ask God to forgive me again,” or, “I am too unclean for God to want anything to do with me.”

    These are lies. Jesus came to set the captives free. He came for you Journey, to set you free. You are not there yet, but you are closer to being there, than you ever have been. Your desperation is a sign of it.

    Have you forgiven your Dad from your heart for the sin he commited with your mom? This is a starting place. We can email more about this if you like. Just private message me and I’ll do what I can to help you get the help you need.

    Sincerely,
    Tim

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