Jesuits, and the sort

What do you guys think of the whole Jesuit thing? Is it something that any of us should consider looking into, or believing? Is it some sort of conspiracy like the UFO/alien stuff? I’ve been reading a very long page, as well as talking to a friend about them and now that I’m half-way through the page I’m wondering if this is true or not. It is a well written page. Here is the link:
http://www.remnantofgod.org/blackpope.htm

What do YOU think?

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  1. Jim-

    i think your last post speaks for itself.

    After your first posting to me- I understood that here was the perfect opportunity to reward evil with good by putting these postings to good use- to complete a current article.

    The difficult posed with such articles is to find a real time collaborator who possesses appropriate qualities!

    You shone! thank you for this.

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    That Ark you mentioned in a previous posting on 666 calls- may you be found securely on it- rich in fruit.

    Peer.

  2. lookinforacity says:

    Hi Peer

    All I did was ask two questions, did you answer them? No.
    There was no need for your post then was there?
    I have come to find, “you” cannot have this discussion, “you” are not qualified, “you” have no affiliation with either side of the issue, as a matter of fact, “you” are not affiliated with anyone, therefore “you” do not then have a right to voice an argument for, or against.
    Sorry if you thought I was attacking you. I wasn’t, I was commenting on your own statements.

    Ok this was not a comment on one of your statements.;-(
    Jim writes : “I fully understand how you may be unable to answer the questions I posted. I even understand the anger you feel for the asking of them”.

    But you see Peer, at that point you take it out of it’s context don’t you, because this is the full statement in it’s original context.

    I didn’t direct my question at you, don’t take it personally.
    I fully understand how you may be unable to answer the questions I posed.
    I even understand the anger you feel for the asking of them.
    For you see, I was unable to answer them myself.
    Doesn’t that in itself require that they be asked ?

    I apologize, for the comment about feeling angry, but at the time of that post I was under the impression you were affiliated with someone, something, as most everyone is. Even non-denominational congregations consider themselves Protestant.
    But as you can see, I was asking a question that bothered me personally, not some hair brained agenda that I was trying to foist off on the body of Christ. You have assumed something that wasn’t there.

    As a matter of fact being in such a spiritual state as you are, weren’t you supposed to take the affront.
    I feel no animosity towards you, I understand you were striking back out anger of a presumed wrong.
    A vengeance sort of a thing. I forgive you on all counts.

    JIM

  3. lookinforacity says:

    Hi Peer

    I thought there was a discussion taking place, but then it shifted gears, to you having your agenda, coupled with your doctrine, and preaching.
    At this point I see there isn’t anything else to say. The discussion could not be held.
    Your doctrine is far to superior for us mortals.

    JIM

    • Jim-

      I remind myself on reading such replies that the same Lord who died for me, died for you. God is wonderful- to think that all these years later you might discover the simple Gospel!

      Col: 4:5, 6 “Walk in wisdom toward those who are outside, redeeming the time. 6 Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.”

      To this end, I enjoin you for the sanity of all:

      (1) Labeling: Many of your replies involve labeling or characterizing those with whom you disagree. You labeled Arthur a verbiage monster (whatever his faults- this would not bring him closer to Christ). No insight here just disparagement.

      (2)Stay on the topic:

      When I asked you to post clearly your position you responded by quoting from a posting of mine which had no part of our fresh that is Jim-Peer conversation.

      Jim quotes Peer: “I do not consider myself a Protestant or a member of any other movement”.
      Jim comments on quote: You then write: ” My question then is what are you? As far as we know, other than Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims as other movements, there are 2 other categories Catholic, Protestant. (Protestant) broadly : a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church. So by definition, like it or not, you are either Catholic, or Protestant, unless you fall into the other categories of Agnostic, or Atheist. Or have you transcended all of that, becoming a Religion unto yourself? But wouldn’t that still make you a Protestant?”

      I repeat, Jim stay on the topic- I asked you to post your thoughts directly- clearly and fairly. You say you have questions about Authority and question who conferred authority- based on the Hebrews 13 passage. I believe you have strong views here-on Apostolic Authority passed down to churches- so do me a favor- post them. I suspect that your preference is to demonstrate your logical expertise beginning with Hebrews 13: 17 by engaging in an a post for post interchange.

      My field was symbolic logic and mathematics, so fire away- let us see your stuff. You ask directly and you answer directly. Hopefully it will edify the body in some way- just spare us games and sneering.

      Jim writes : “I fully understand how you may be unable to answer the questions I posted. I even understand the anger you feel for the asking of them”.

      Peer: stop personalizing your responses by presuming anger or ignorance in the other party. Again I urge you to share your wisdom, leave out references to the other party.

      Jim writes: “Or have you transcended all of that, becoming a Religion unto yourself? But wouldn’t that still make you a Protestant?”

      Peer: If you have a physical condition which motivates such statements, post it to the appropriate forum so that we may pray for you.

      Jim writes I thought there was a discussion taking place, but then it shifted gears, to you having your agenda, coupled with your doctrine, and preaching. At this point I see there isn’t anything else to say. The discussion could not be held. Your doctrine is far to superior for us mortals.

      Peer writes: grow up and mature in Christ- that others can be edified by what you do, write or say. I was sharing Scripture- if you believe that I had misinterpreted or drawn incorrectly from the Scripture then stipulate this- just desist from sneers and snide remarks.

      My being outside Protestantism or Catholicism or any other Grouping

      My response to you Jim was as I was guided I wrote- I take back nothing. What I was guided to write has as its gist: the same spirit which motivates factionalism as in the Corinthian church is at work behind denominations that proclaim a unique apostolic authority whether from apostolic succession or otherwise.

      I was called by Christ outside an established denomination. God spoke to me and I responded by reading the Bible. Not unique, many have experienced the same. The closest Christians was a group who met in a house- they were not affiliated with any particular Christian group (40 some). I joined these for proximity and because the Holy Spirit witnessed to me on their fruit- they demonstrated Christ was a living Person. True, many in the group came from diverse denominations but all were concerned with “returning to the roots” and demonstrated this in their walk by by sacrificial love- and the gifts of the Holy Spirit flowed- service gifts, teaching gifts, prophetic and evangelizing gifts.

      This is many years back- I now see that this group were a remarkable testimony to the first century church. I witnessed the Holy Spirit working in prophecy to bring people together, revealing the secrets of the heart- and predicting events in great detail that were to transpire in the near future in people’s lives. All of this served but one purpose to demonstrate that God is real, present and capable- and the result was awesome- fear of God. Take my word for it- those people feared God and rightly.

      I mention gifts for by these they became effective- people were impacted in a way that can only be seen when the Holy Spirit is present- not by emotion but by broken spirits.

      I joined them not to gain but to serve, for I had received what they received. But I did gain- I learned the difference between cleverness and wisdom, between effection and sacrificial love. And I learned to fear God.

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      Jim “let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how to answer each one” (Col 4:5,6) & “As newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby, if you have indeed tasted the Lord is gracious”.(1Pe 2:1b)

      For you, I recommend that you return to the milk of the word- for from there the seasoning will begin.

      I will be posting on Church one of these days and with this deal with Authority- that is conferred Authority and this will touch on your zone of interest. The posting will be upfront and this will give you the opportunity to indulge in your logical expositions.

      Go well,

      Peer

  4. Jim-

    There is another category which you seem not aware of:

    John 8: 31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
    33 They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?”
    34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

    There is a category of persons who hear Jesus declare the truth and are freed by what they hear- for they are freed to exercise faith in Christ alone. These are unencumbered by institutions and organizations setup by men. To hear His Spirit and to receive the Gospel and impart the same. Those who have received and been set free by his Word understand what the Spirit is saying through Paul in:

    Galations: 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Here we are told that on the most fundamental level- that of race and gender we are not divided in Christ. Further, the Spirit warns us that we are not to be divided by schismatic followings:

    1Co 1: 10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

    Here the Spirit through Paul urges us not to submit to divisive labels but to consider ourselves as being united in Christ.

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    Then again we have the Scripture:

    Mathew 21: 43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”

    The Lord was addressing the Pharisees who heard and did not believe in opposition to those who heard and did believe.

    Those who fall on the rock and their heart is broken, humbled and in fear of God they receive the Lord Jesus in faith and through Grace become new Creatures, submissive to and guided by the Holy Spirit. It is these who constitute a new nation- one known by its fruit- fruit that correspond to Christ and demonstrated in the lives of believers like Paul. You wish to know what fruit? Read 1 Corinthians 15.

    Then we have those upon whom the rock fell and ground to powder. Why ground to powder? So, they might become dust and scattered by the wind. These are those who insist on outward appearance- rules and regulations and Scriptures which they manipulate to their disadvantage. They are guided by the wisdom of the flesh.

    The Pharisees and those with them were crushed and the nation dispersed to the four winds. Yet, those who believed persist. The Spirit tells me that as before, men of the same mind as the Pharisees live in the midst of the Body of Christ (as they have for a great period of time) and the time of breaking versus crushing is near if not upon us.

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    I desire to be part of and indeed I am part of this new nation-the one signified not by buildings, decrees and encyclicals (of whatever organization) but rather known by and for the preaching of the Gospel and whose courage is firmly planted on the Word of God and guided by the Holy Spirit into understanding Scripture.

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    If Scripture is alive in me- this is how I consider myself- not in theory but fact. You by your questions and insistence that I must fall into a category are placing yourself out of true with Scripture. Don’t go there, desist from this type of conversation and characterization lest you too meet the end of those crushed and pulverized by the rock of Christ, reduced to dust and scattered.

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    Peer.

  5. lookinforacity says:

    The Jesuit order set up by the Catholic Church has a very documented, and checkered past.
    It comes down to the case that people are people, (corrupt).
    They are a symptom, not the disease.

    Hebrews 13:17
    Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

    Keeping the above scripture in mind.
    I have only 2 questions on this matter.

    1.) Where does (did) the Church, (Body of Christ) derive it’s Authority?
    2.) When was this Authority acquired ?

    (Church) defined: The Protestant Religions.
    Please provide scriptural documentation.

    JIM

    • Good day Jim,

      I noted with interest your exchange with Nadir / Arthur- thank you for your participation.Your last posting in his absence went so:

      “I thought if I asked in the form of the 2 issues I could get a response without running head long into the VERBIAGE MONSTER.”

      Given your inquiry into Authority- I ask where in Scripture did you derive the authority to address someone in this way?

      I concur with your statement, that we should not confuse “the symptom” with the disease- let us all apply this to self, lest we fall foul of the leaven that corrupts.

      ————–

      On this posting- please share with us your insights that the body of Christ may be edified. I wait with anticipation. In the absence of this, I put your Scriptural reference and questions to one side.

      Thanking you,

      Peer

      • lookinforacity says:

        Good day Peer:

        I didn’t direct my question at you, don’t take it personally.
        I fully understand how you may be unable to answer the questions I posed.
        I even understand the anger you feel for the asking of them.
        For you see, I was unable to answer them myself.
        Doesn’t that in itself require that they be asked ?
        Shouldn’t we know where the “Church” gets it’s Authority from?
        If the Church gets it’s authority from God, does that then mean, God is divided ?
        As far as I have been able to ascertain, denominations are man made.
        Do you see my quandary ?
        As we all know, the Reformation took place in the mid. 1500’s .
        This was so called, because it was to be, a Reforming of the Catholic Church.
        At that time (1500’s) was this task of Reformation completed ?
        Why try to reform the Catholic Church anyway ?
        Did they have Authority, if so, where did the Catholic Church derive it’s Authority ?
        As bastardized as it was, the Catholic Church, had it’s roots in the First Church.
        The First Church, derived it’s Authority from God.
        All Authority comes from God, every Power is Ordained of God.
        Using Hebrews 13:17
        How was the rebellion against, the secession from, the recognized Authority, Submitting ?
        I have been saved for over 40 yrs. this is not a position I thought I would ever be taking.
        This is a legitimate question, that I personally cannot answer, other than the way I have.
        I have not raised this issue, in order to have some Philosophical, Hypothetical debate.
        But like it or not, this issue does need to be answered.
        We have all been taught, submit to the higher powers, to any Authority over us.
        But it appears as though the people that taught these things first, failed to practice submission.

        JIM

  6. gogsmaac7 says:

    I was born and live in Scotland. In 1996, I was led of God to a place where I realised I needed help in the form of deliverance from demons. Thanks to ministry at Ellel Grange in Lancaster, I was released from many demonic spirits, including Jezebel. Afterwards I was baptised in the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues, something I mocked for years.

    I then heard the Holy Spirit clearly say, “You have been set free in the name of Jesus Christ, now go and set others free!” I proceeded to minister deliverance to others whenever I got the chance.

    About a year after this, I was walking down the Royal Mile in Edinburgh during the Edinburgh Festival. Everywhere I looked there were street performers doing their stuff, most of which was completely un-Godly. Then I saw some men and women getting out of the back of a van dressed in full Highland regalia, not “short Bread tin” stuff, more like something off the set of Braveheart. They started to play the bagpipes and drums. As I stood and watched I heard the Holy Spirit say, “Are your going to stand there and watch the devil run rough-shod all over Scotland?” This was so real that tears just welled up and I had to get away from the crowd.

    This led to some serious searching. Previous to my encounter with the Holy Spirit I had been wandering from one Museum in Edinburgh to the other, not really knowing why. Everywhere I went I saw John Knox, who preached and lived in Edinburgh. So when the Spirit said what He said about the devil in Scotland, I ask myself this question, what were the reformers protesting about? This led me to study the struggle endured by Knox and others to get loose from the Catholic Church.

    I said all of that to say this, I have now been studying this subject for 12 years and can say, without shadow of doubt, that the Jesuit Order are the most powerful and despicable devils in incarnate ever to have walked this earth. If anyone wants to read the article I recently wrote about how the Jesuits are the evil force behind the European Union, just get in touch and I’ll send my recent newsletter. We make a very very serious mistake if we underestimate these fiends. They are the top of the tree of evil! Above free masonry, the illuminate, Satanism, new age… everything. I know this will be hard to believe, it has taken me 12 years to come to this conclusion. Please find out the truth yourself. We are to be as wise as serpents, which means know what our enemy the serpent is up to.

    Gordon McGill

  7. Regarding these theories about what is done in darkness, no one except God and the people involved know the whole truth. If someone comes out and “spills the beans” you just can’t tell if he is making up the stories to gain publicity, how much is speculation and how much is true.

    Because Jesuits follow the Roman Catholic gospel and are committed to the accumulation of power for their church, that makes them suspect immediately.

    Really we need to make sure we are doing what Jesus said. Fascination with what goes on in darkness won’t get us any closer to doing the will of God.

    • Michael, I’m not sure I understand your February 16th 2009 statement. Are you defending the Jesuits or are you commenting about another subject regarding them that I didn’t see?

      I know in my own research you don’t have too dig to deep to find out that the Jesuit order is diabolical and just what role they play in Catholicism and world events.

      I was a former Roman Catholic. My transformation from Roman Catholicism to Christ took 4 years of serious prayer and study of the word plus learning what the doctrines and traditions were of the church I had put so much faith and trust in. For years I had believed I would not go to hell because I was a Catholic. I knew I would never make it to heaven because I was a sinner but I hoped I would make it to Purgatory at least. Maybe someone would pay for enough masses to be said for me after I died or someone would pray me out of there. In hell I didn’t stand a chance of ever getting out.

      To make a long story shorter one day after much searching and finding out that Jesus had offered himself on the cross for my sins I heard the still small voice of the Holy Spirit say to me, “Why would you settle for Purgatory when God gave you heaven when you believed that Jesus Christ bore your sins at Calvary and his blood washed away every sin you ever committed”. I knew, because I knew, because I knew, from that point on that the Roman Catholic Church was not the true church and only Jesus can save us from our sin. Belonging to a denomination doesn’t qualify us no matter how holy they appear or how much they claim to be able to save.

      No church can save. A church that preaches Christ can help people find Jesus but they can’t save them. Being Catholic cannot save you. If you do get saved through the grace of God while still in the Catholic church get out of it and find a Bible believing church so you can grow in your faith in Jesus Christ. I heard the salvation message from a friend who was not Catholic while I was a Catholic and I had to come out once I discovered that the doctrines and traditions of the Catholic Church do not line up with the word of God.

      My life in Christ has been a journey I have enjoyed even during my darkest moments because it was in those dark moments that Jesus was not only my Saviour but he became the Lord of my life. I love the testimonies of others who share their faith in Christ and even though we are strangers, our relationship with Jesus makes us brothers and sisters in Christ. Glory to God.

    • Well Bro Mike ,

      Nobody except God Himself is perfect.
      The Catholic are no exception and neither are the Protestants ,nor the Evangelicals.

      I however don’t buy your theory
      that the Jesuits are for the accumulation of power by Rome.

      Far from it.

      Rome today does more for the poor and the downtrodden that all what the Protestants and Evangelicals put together , have done in the last 400 years.

      The Jesuits dont ask you to pay
      for their next fancy jet , because they have none.
      They don’t stay at five star hotels , nor do they pay to appear on TV at prime time.
      They are foot-soldiers of God’s kingdom in their own way.
      They have influenced the world and several leaders of the world in a major way; just as they run some of the best schools all over the world
      from New York to Nairobi.

      That you don’t subscribe to their or the Catholic doctrine is a different matter.

      The problem with most Protestants
      preachers is that they are taught to worry about the splint in Rome’s eye , instead of the beam in their own.

      Sorry if I have been harsh ,…..but much of this site is
      all about Catholic bashing.

      Have any of you a single good word to say about the Catholics ?

      Mind you they are far more consistent in what they do ,….and money is never their first priority.

      I wouldn’t be suprised if they are
      first to be let through the “Pearly Gates” on the Day of Judgement.

      Forgive and correct me if I am wrong.

      Cheers

      Vikki
      [email protected]

      • Hi Vikas-

        When you say that no one is perfect but God, you are correct. Your other points are not relevant to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

        Michael writes, “Really we need to make sure we are doing what Jesus said. Fascination with what goes on in darkness won’t get us any closer to doing the will of God”

        Michael is making a call to his and our mission. Which is to know Jesus and share in his death and resurrection. Scripture says: “By their fruit you will know them”. The Jesuits like their root, do not teach the Gospel, “know the death of Christ and his resurrection” at all. They are an organization which serves its own interest- not the interest of the crucified Lord.

        I do not consider myself a Protestant or a member of any other movement. This aside, the Protestant movement returned to the people of God the Bible- not an organization, nor values but the Bible. The very same Bible that the roman catholic church forbade to be translated into the common language and then murdered those who did the translations. That bible is living and spreading and changing lives. It is that bible which is alive and transforming lives. The roman catholic organization’s work in suppressing the teaching of the bible and preventing its translation into the common tongue ensures that this organization will never have a part in the Body of Christ.

        God has his people in every grouping and surely God has people in the rc organization. They might not know it but they are His for their spirit is burdened and cries out their thirst to know Jesus personally and intimately. Their heart cries out to know the power of God, the Holy Spirit. They are tired of ideas, rituals and trappings. They desire to know the God of Israel and through Him to live. Surely these will in time die to their flesh and with this dying, all the shackles imposed by man will wither and fall away.

        I could feed ten thousand people and if I do not know the death and resurrection of Christ, it is as if I have done nothing- for all I have shared is bread- it fills the stomach but does not change the heart; it does not inspire, it does not provide a reason to live and cannot perpetuate life. For from the mouth, it passes to the belly and passing through the intestines it feeds the dust. It is not life and cannot be life.

        The Lord says, “By their fruit you will know them”, whether it is a man who preaches on T.V. or a minister who preaches from the pulpit- by their fruit we will know them. If they do not teach the Life and Resurrection of Jesus- and demonstrate the Life and Resurrection of Jesus in their lives, they will die and like the bread which decays feed the ground.

        I might save another thousand from the most heinous of circumstances- but if I do not know Christ, nor live Christ in his resurrection- I have nothing and I know nothing.

        Vikas you write: ” Sorry if I have been harsh ,…..but much of this site is all about Catholic bashing.”

        Vikas this site allows free commentary. It is just this free commentary which was disallowed for +/= thousand years. in its place we saw children of God chained, whipped and beaten. The roman catholic organization exceeded in its behavior the emperors of Rome. Yet none of these people who write up about this organization are calling for the RC authorities to be whipped, beaten or killed. They are calling them to repent and gain Life in Christ.

        Personally, from my position- the RC organization is no worse than any other grouping that serves to conceal, bury and hide the Words of Life. The sodomites and perverts that have been fostered in this organization are no different to those cultured elsewhere. To all of these we say, “come out and repent” and know the Lord that you may live and once alive- go and preach to others that they too may live.

        Vikas you write: “The problem with most Protestants preachers is that they are taught to worry about the splint in Rome’s eye , instead of the beam in their own.”

        I don’t know about this but what I do know is that each man must discard all but knowing, walking, sharing and building up in Christ. The time has come to reject every message, every practice that does not serve to increase our walking, sharing and building up each man in Christ Jesus.

        Stop donating time or moneys except to those who preach the simple Gospel of Christ, unadorned by the commandments, rituals and practices of men. If you are not doing these things- do them too so that you may walk in life and then come back and share the good news.

        Peer

        • lookinforacity says:

          Hi again Peer:

          you say
          “I do not consider myself a Protestant or a member of any other movement.”
          My question then is what are you?
          As far as we know, other than Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims as other movements, there are 2 other categories Catholic, Protestant. (Protestant) broadly : a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church.
          So by definition, like it or not, you are either Catholic, or Protestant, unless you fall into the other categories of Agnostic, or Atheist.
          Or have you transcended all of that, becoming a Religion unto yourself?
          But wouldn’t that still make you a Protestant?

          JIM

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