I’m stuck and I dont know why.

I have been asking God to set me free from a hold of homosexuality.I have been asking and praying,fasting,reading the bible everyday,going to church,changing everything about myself for Him,ending bad things I did for him,just really asking and constantly praying to Him that He would set me free but I am still with this curse and I don’t know why I am still facing my thoughts,sadness,anger when I am TRULY trying to be closer to God.I want to because I know I would be so much more confident without my curse and that I would feel so much closer to Him if it were gone but I’m just stuck.If there is anyone out there who can find out exactly what it is that is holding me back I would gladly answer questions or read stuff to try to find out what I’m doing wrong or possibly what I’m not doing that I should be doing.I have been praying that God will somehow tell me what is keeping me from Him but I haven’t been able to see or hear anything that makes any sense to me to help me get past this barrier.So again if anyone is willing to try and help me get to where God wants me to be I would be grateful beyond your comprehension.
The Hopeful

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  1. this sin is the only sin that God delt with on a one to one basis. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire and brimstone. this lesson should be learned by anyone who has these desires. Homosexuality is directly from satan and is not a genetic or emotional dissorder. those terms were invented to appease the homosexuals. Anyone who has homosexual tendencies or a lifestyle must seek spiritual deliverance. Fasting for several days coupled with prayer will help the individual who is stuggling be able to see clearly since this sin is tied to the pleasing the flesh. All the past sexual relationships of this individual need to have their soul ties cut (by God) and healed. when an individual has sexual relations they become “one flesh” wlith that person. so they are joined by their souls and need God to come and cut those ties and heal those wounds or they will never be free from that addiction.

  2. Kingdom Seeker says:

    Dear The Hopeful,
    I am grateful to our Lord for your hope. Your attitude towards homosexuality is excellent in the eyes of our Lord. Congratulations my Brother! Rest assured that your salvation in the Lord is intact. For you who does what he hates doing the Lord has a word.
    Romans 7:22 to 8:1. You might want to read the whole of Chapter 7. The catch verse is-:’Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus’ It is good for you not to feel any guilt but that does not mean that you are supposed to feel comfortable with homosexuality for to the glory of His Name you hate it.
    There is justification and atonement. Atonement deals with sin which an inheritance passed down from Adam (the act of missing the way) while justification deals with what you did while walking in that wrong way (sins) If what is working in you is due to the sin of the fore fathers, which actually is a curse (a curse makes one vulnerable to destruction. Joshua 6:26 and 1 Kings 16:34, and Joshua 7:12,) For atonement, refer to Isaiah 6:7, the sin atoned for pertained to the lips and it was from Isaiah’s fathers and it also was with his people.
    Yours is a sickness of the life of your society (no malice intended) and since it is the Lord who decides on when to accept Christ as sacrifice of atonement for some one, keep on looking up. But please remember this -: You have what it takes to out live the devil and his vices. You will not die (sink) but live, and will proclaim what the Lord has done. Please read Isaiah 49:24,25 and believe it for there can be no faith without first believing. QUOTES are from NIV

  3. davidchik says:

    Dear “The Hopeful”,

    I should tell you. I like porns very much. When I was 15, I fast and prayed God to set me free from this desire. But after 20 years when I was 35, I STILL like watching porns. Why? Does it mean God cannot help?

    Here is my opinion (not sure right or wrong):

    1. It is not a big deal from God’s eyes. I mean, even if I stop watching porns, or if you stop having homosexual tendency, it does NOT mean we are holy. We still have other problems: selfishness, greed, etc.

    2. We are saved not because we succeed in doing something. We are saved because of Jesus’s blood.

    3. My sex desire is a part of my body and it will not disappear unless this body dies.

    So, what is the conclusion? Once there is a 5 year-old kid. He heard about the word “lovemaking” but not sure what it means, so he goes to ask his parents, “Can I eat candy during lovemaking?” This is a funny question of course, but to the kid, candy is the thing he desires most. This is why he tries to connect candy with lovemaking. Hope this story will give you some hints. If we truly know God and his gifts, our previous desires will become like kid’s candy.

    Be patient.

    David

    • Dear David,

      I’ve seen your reply to the Hopeful, and I think you’re wrong about porn. I know it is hard to stop, but you have to, since Jesus Himself said it’s sin to lust. You have to repent, because sin IS serious.

      “But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Matthew 5:28)

      I’m not accusing you. I don’t want to make you feel ungodly sorrow, but if you feel anything, then I hope and pray it will be a godly feeling that leads to repentance.

      “Even if I caused you sorrow by my letter, I do not regret it. Though I did regret it–I see that my letter hurt you, but only for a little while–yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us. Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.” (2 Corinthians 7:11)

      The Bible doesn’t say we’ll be holy immediately. But it does tell us we need to get rid of sin, and let God sanctify us until we are holy. Please pray God sets you free and sanctifies you. It IS possible, with Him all things are possible, even getting rid of selfishness, greed, and malice and so on. Trust Him and whatever you pray for according to His will, He hears you.

      “But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.” (Colossians 3:8 )

      “Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.” (Ephesians 5:4)

      “It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality;” (1 Thessalonians 4:3)

      “This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.” (1 John 5:14)

      You’re not alone, pray to Jesus for mercy and help, and He will help you, for He is gracious. Be willing to stop sinning, trust Him, and He will help you. Don’t give up praying.

      • davidchik says:

        Thank you very much, Andrew. I admit that I was wrong.

        At first I thought that God would use different methods for different people. Some people can be delivered from bad habits through prayers. Some would fail and even stop going to church, stop reading the Bible, etc. For those who fail, I used to say gentle words: they can temporarily keep their bad habits but must continue to read Bible, pray, go to church, etc.

        Now I know I was wrong. I was using human’s method to replace God’s command. I underestimated the power of Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit has amazing power to change people’s lives. Yes, we should battle sins NOW. Temporarily keeping them is a lie from Satan.

  4. newlight says:

    Dear “The Hopefull” I will not lie to you as I will admit I am very new on the path of jesus aswell and still have alot of reading of the bible to do and I am not as well versed as the rest, but I will try and help you from my own knowledge. I must admit I am not attracted to men but while I was demonically influenced I was obsessed with sodomy of women. Thankfully that has I have only done that to one woman and not my current partner, but if I had my way before my change i would have. My reasons for telling you this is because if I was so obsessed by the demonic influence to do this act to women why would that be if it was not an evil act? Since my acceptance and repentance of my sins I have bearly even thought about sodomy and the very few times I have has been because what i would i call it a sin spiral. Once I sin and give into temptation whatever that may be it is alot easier for many other sins to follow unless i pray to jesus for forgiveness, this is the only thing that stops my sin spiral. Sunstorm may be right or wrong, I think wrong personaly but i would encourage others not to show any hostility to him/her maybe try to show them other opinions but do not show them hostility because that will not benifit their cause and probably make them less willing to listen to your points of reason. Good luck “the hopeful” and I hope my reply may have been some benifit to your own way of thinking.

  5. The Hopeful says:

    Ummm. Well… I am THRILLED that I got away from this discussion a long time ago and came back to it now that I am secure in the faith and am aware that any attempt to support homosexuality is from the Devil’s mouth. I hope you guys don’t mind but I think it would be a better idea to have the discussion away from the person who is fighting the temptation. God convicts us of sin and I sincerely believe everyone who supports homosexuality has been either deceived from the start of their life or has suppressed the Holy Spirit long enough for them to convince themselves that what they are doing is ok. I still struggle with the desire just now with a much stronger faith and incredibly lesser degree to which I am tempted. All I know is that when I stand before God on the day of judgement I want to be holy and blameless before him and I DO NOT want anyone to be thrown into the eternal fire because they chose to follow their own sinful and selfish desires over God’s. God does not create gay people, sin infects people. I don’t even understand why homosexuality is set apart as being somehow being a sin that is unlike any other. We all have sinful desires by which we are tempted.. None of us fight a temptation unknown to man, and whatever it is God creates the way out to save us. And I want everyone to be aware that Jesus saves not us saving ourselves, I chose to trust in him and am sanctified everyday. I know you can too sunnstorms, you’re not alone and God will always go out of his way to save His sheep

    • Clearly God has protected you. I'm glad you are growing stronger. You know that as you draw near to our living God, He does change desires. The key to victory is to keep going after Jesus Christ and the fullness of the Holy Spirit every day, and sowing the Word into your own life. This makes obedience so much easier.

      • The Hopeful says:

        Thank you for allowing God to use you in such a great way and interceding for me in the time when I was extremely lost and fearful. And YES, God protected me more than I can understand right now and I thank Him for that. I’m actually having a great relationship with my Abba and even am giving a short message on prayer on Monday. Again I am very thankful for you guys helping me and guiding me.

    • Lily -N-Valley says:

      I am so glad to hear you were victorious. Sometimes it is hard to understand why God delays acting on our behalf. But God is a Father and He is the best teacher there is.
      If God gave us everything we wanted when we asked, then we would never learn more of Him and His ways.Therefore how can we become more CHRIST like if we didn’t go through trials and tribulations? We must learn to grow and then we are able to help others and have true compassion for those suffering as we have.
      Yes, God is a loving Father but unlike earthly fathers who may give their children whatever is asked for upon request thus spoiling thier children. Who then do not learn the value of what they have recieved. God in all His infinite wisdom does give what is requested but He teaches His children when He does. This is why when we are facing our trials and tribulations we are to praise Him. Because He is teaching us and we are growing in our Christian lives.
      But they that wait on the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

      God is never early, He is never late, but He is always right on time.

  6. You mentioned in your post all the things, that You had done,but God had not taken away your feelings. You need healing, and that is something you Receive!
    Not earn! It has already been accomplished! Easier said than done right? 🙂
    You need unwavering faith, study the scriptures where Jesus healed, memorize fitting scripture, and proclaim them out loud!!! Deliverance might even be in order! Don’t fall into self pity, nobody wants a test,but we all want a testimony:) Jesus Christ can absolutely set you free!!! I hope this helps!
    What ever you do don’t listen to anyone who would twist the scriptures in order to validate the homosexual lifestyle!! It should be obvious that it is Not God’s will! It breaks God’s(understood) natural law. It cannot produce “fruit”, and it never will.
    Dear One, It is simply sin,and not Gods best for you. I will be praying for you:)
    In His Grip,
    Beloved

    • Redbuck40 says:

      “You need unwavering faith, study the scriptures where Jesus healed, memorize fitting scripture, and proclaim them out loud!!!”

      I don’t remember reading in scripture that we are meant to “claim” promises? Maybe the Apostles erred by not mentioning a common practice of today. If we try to help this person by looking outside of scripture all we will do is make him a son of the “modern church”, where he will be a “supermarket christian” shopping from place to place looking for the one teaching that makes him feel better.

      Why has no one asked “the hopeful” where he stands?

      Tell me, Hopeful, are you still in the elementary stages of birth? Rather than trying to eat the steak of the scriptures lets start with milk instead.

      But solid food is for those full grown, having exercised the faculties through habit, for distinction of both good and bad. Because of this, having left the discourse of the beginning of Christ, let us be borne on to full growth, not laying down again a foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of baptisms, of doctrine, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of dead ones, and of eternal judgment.
      (Heb 5:14-6:2)

      – Have you repented? Turned from the dead works of wickedness?

      – Have you faith in God? To forgive your sins?

      – Were you baptised in water? To die to wickedness in Christ, and raised to a new life?

      – Were you filled with the Holy Spirit? (I am not talking about the common notion of “indwelling”) To give you power from on high to walk in The Spirit and say NO to wickedness?

      We must continually grow in grace and the knowledge of The Lord Jesus Christ, because without growth you have no hope in overcoming.

      2 Peter:
      “… He has given to us the very great and precious promises, so that through these you might be partakers of the divine nature, escaping from the corruption in the world by lust. But also in this very thing, having brought in all diligence, having fully supplied in your faith virtue, and with virtue knowledge, and with the knowledge self-control, and with the self-control patience, and with the patience godliness, and with the godliness brotherly love, and with brotherly love, love. For these things being in you, and abounding, they will make you not idle, not unfruitful in the full knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the one in whom these things are not present is blind, being shortsighted, taking on forgetfulness of the cleansing of his sins in time past. Therefore, brothers, rather be diligent to make sure of your calling and election; for doing these things, you will not ever fall.

      Romans:
      Because of this, God gave them up to dishonorable passions, for even their females changed the natural use to that contrary to nature. And likewise, the males also forsaking the natural use of the female burned in their lust toward one another, males with males working out shamefulness, and receiving back within themselves the reward which was fitting for their error.

      Homosexuality is proof of Gods anger, it is wickedness, don’t be mistaken, the practice of it will take you to Hell, whether you believe you are “saved” or not!

      Hebrews:
      For it is impossible for those once having been enlightened, and having tasted of the heavenly gift, and becoming sharers of the Holy Spirit, and tasting the good Word of God, and the works of power of a coming age, and having fallen away, it is impossible for them again to renew to repentance, crucifying again for themselves the Son of God, and putting Him to open shame.

      Again:
      For if we are willfully sinning after receiving the full knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice concerning sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment and “zealous fire being about to consume the adversaries.” If anyone did not regard the Law of Moses, that one dies without pities on “the word of two or three witnesses,” how much worse punishment do you think will be thought worthy to receive, the one trampling the Son of God, and having counted common the blood of the covenant in which he was sanctified, and having insulted the Spirit of Grace?

      I am sorry that pseudo christian “sunnstorms” ever replied, as such heresy has caused much damage. You may be sure that such people are self deceived and they will not stop until they have deceived as many as possible. These “findings” are nothing more than lies (when pertaining to scripture) coming from the Father of lies. In scripture we are given a sort of example of such people, in Revelation, there is a woman “Jezebel” (whether that is her real name or not) who deceived people by telling them “the deep things of Satan” and by leading them to sexual immorality and idol worship. “Sunnstorms” is doing the same, these “deep things” are NOT from God, but from Satan, and if you believe her you WILL go back into sexual immorality, and COULD lose your place in the Book of Life. Not only that but you could follow “Sunnstorms” into Satan’s religion – a religion that has the outside appearance of christianity, but is like a white washed tomb, outside is white, but the inside is empty or filled with dead peoples bones.

      Don’t go back, but do go forward.

      In Christ,

      Red.

      • Hi Red,
        In my post– You need unwavering faith, study the scriptures where Jesus healed, memorize fitting scripture, and proclaim them out loud!!!”

        I had in mind Jesus quoting scripture when He was in the desert and tempted by Satan. Also where we are told to “speak to the mountain” in his case , homosexuality.
        My spiritual gifts are that of exhortation and mercy, I am not a biblical scholar,but have read it,( many times) and do not believe I was being unscriptural. But, thank-you,dear brother for pointing that out,I am always open to correction.
        Sincerely- Beloved

        • above-the-law says:

          Lighten up dude, your aggressive self-righteous attitude is stifling.

          Read your post back to yourself and consider what, if any, fruit of the spirit are you demonstrating in your rant?

          Was it…..
          Love, Joy, Peace, Long-Suffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Meekness, Temperance
          I’m serious, please consider this.

          Now,
          To specifically address your sarcastic comments to Beloved. You didn’t even warm up, you just started criticizing “right out of the gate”.

          Red said,
          ((( “I don’t remember reading in scripture that we are meant to “claim” promises? ” )))

          1) The sarcasm in your comment is uncalled for and cowardly. If something is contrary to scripture, then stand tall and say so, don’t hide behind sarcasm.

          2) The basis of your criticism/attack is unfounded, Beloved said “Proclaim” not “Claim”, surely you understand the difference, look it up. It’s almost as if you have some personal peeve about people “claiming promises” and were laying in wait for even a whiff of something like that to be said. Not helpful , uplifting or encouraging.

          3) Big deal, the Apostles didn’t say “it” (whatever “it” may be), so what! There’s a lot of things they didn’t say that are true and scriptural.

          Finally,
          You owe Beloved an apology.

          I’ve done my due diligence and read through most of her posts. They are smart, insightful and most of all Loving and Encouraging! I don’t know her personally, but from public post you can see she’s no wacko, well spoken and has her act together.

          I was truly impressed with her response to you…humble and open to correction, but insisted she had done/said nothing wrong…bravo!

          Now show us what your are made of…..show us some fruit.

          (personal note) Maybe in the scope of all things this seems like “no big deal” and I’m angry over nothing. Well I am angry and here’s why….
          This is my first day as a member and I’m pretty stunned and disappointed. My hope of great things in this forum was quickly quenched as I was randomly scanning the forum and this was one of the first things that I read. What a bummer!
           

          • lookinforacity says:

            Hi above-the-law

            Yes as you say it was stifling.
            When you are scanning the posts made, check out the date when they were made, then check out the profile of the person who made the post you are interested in, some times as with this person, you will find that Red Buck was banned from this forum for just this sort of behavior.
            His post to Beloved was made 1/15/11 even if he was still on, don’t you think the discussion would have ended by now? If you would have checked out his profile, you would have found that there isn’t any profile for him anymore.
            Don’t get me wrong, I am not jumping on your case, just informing you that there are things you can do before hand, to save your self some time and effort.
            Now don’t be so quickly quenched and bummed out, it’s sort of like jumping the gun.
            Stay with us and make some posts before you make a final judgment.

            On another subject, you put down your religion as B.A.C.F.O.J.S.B.G. ???
            Hope to see you around sister.

            Be Blessed
            JIM

          • above-the-law says:

            Jim, I admit…..the hair on my neck stood up and I was a little premature in my response. I looked up the member “beloved”, because I was vicariously offended for her. She seemed nice and didn’t deserve what was being served up by Red. You’re right, I should’ve taken the time to check out Red, that was my mistake.

            I’ve continued to browse the forum and my initial experience appears to be the exception, rather than the rule. I’m not so sensitive to “take off” right away and do appreciate your concern.

            Thanks for your kind and precise response. The new info says volumes for the mods here and that it’s a free forum, but not the wild wild west.

            Kindest Regards,
            ATL

          • Beloved says:

            I was reading through some old post and ran into your reply.I was sincerely and deeply touched.I have been a bit down lately,and your words about me were very uplifting,just what I needed to hear!!! I always try to encourage others,so thank you for that bit of validation.You have put a smile on my face 🙂
            Beloved
            ps. I like your user name!

          • above-the-law says:

            I guess this reply is about as timely as my reply to Red! I was a bit embarrassed that I wasn’t paying attention to the date of the posts and Red had since been long gone (booted) from the site…oh well.

            Anyway…it’s been a week (a loooong week) and I intended to ask this sooner. You mentioned that you had been “a bit down lately”. I know it could be normal junk in life, but if you need prayer I’m always available (as I’m sure most on this site are too). Please don’t feel obligated if I’m putting you in an uncomfortable position, but I did want to offer.

            “Sincerely and Deeply touched” is a pretty strong statement (to me anyway) and I was quite surprised to read that! Maybe it’s just me…since I was just angry at the way Red treated you and wanted him to come back to the table. Nonetheless, I’m glad that it put a smile on your face…yes THAT made my day! OK, that’s enough thanking you for thanking me for thanking you for thanking me…..

            Just let me know if I can pray for you in any way……that would put a smile on my face 🙂

            I’m new here and just trying to figure out how things work. Trying to figure things out and meet the folks. Not to be presumptuous…but you might be my first friend! I messaged Michael for some guidance on using the site, but he said nothing like that is available. If it’s ok, can I send you a copy of my message to him? You’ve been here a while so maybe you might help or know some answers? Please let me know if it’s ok to forward that to you.

            See ya around the site-
            ATL

          • Beloved says:

            Yes I was sincerely and deeply touched,maybe it was just the timing,but to hear that my post/replies seemed loving and encouraging was validating,since I always try and approach people in that manner.Anyway, I’m glad we were able to give each other a smile! 🙂
            As far as feeling down, sometimes I am overwhelmed with a “darkness” that is probably other -worldly. I have a somewhat passive spirit when it comes to unpleasant things,but I am learning.Sorry, don’t mean to get all heavy on you,but if you think of it you could lift me up in prayer for strength in this area.I do believe this struggle has made me sensitive to the hurts of others,so that is positive!
            You are absolutely not being presumptuous,consider us friends! I will help you any way I can!
            I usually just read the most recent content and comments when I log on,but please forward your message, I will answer anything I can.
            Welcome to this site,I’m sure you will like it.There are a core group of members that post often,and I feel as if I have made a lot of new friends!
            Beloved

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  7. sunnstorms says:

    You aren’t a sinner because of who you are attracted to, or who you love. Let me explain why…

    Science has proven that 1 out of 100 babies are born with varying degrees of BOTH male and female chemicals and/or genitalia. God creates all life, right? God created you to be who you are, just as you are. God doesn’t make mistakes, and He isn’t going to create you, nurture you, love you, and then send you to Hell for what He created. God is a just God, not a monster. He is “just” in that He doesn’t show favoritism, and He doesn’t judge unrighteously.

    Now, I know most churches teach that ALL homosexuality is a sin, but this is just not so. Look at the scriptures in their original languages (use a Lexicon), and you will see that the ONLY homosexual acts are those that hurt others…i.e. rape, pederasty(child/adult), temple worship, and prostitution. Churches taught (and still teach) that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality, but EZ 16 tells us exactly why they were destroyed (pride, greed, mistreating others, and idol worship–which is what the word “abomination” means in this case). It was the act of rape…mistreating others…that God got angry. God is Love. Whatever we do in faith is acceptable to God (Romans). If you love someone of the same gender, and have faith that God created you as you are, then it is acceptable. If your conscience is seared, ask yourself if it God who is chastizing you, or if it’s coming from man-made teachings and society’s views.

    Be at peace 🙂 You are what God created you to be. You didn’t get tempted to have certain physical or chemicals, you were BORN with them. Praying isn’t going to change what God put into your body when He created you, because you are trying to pray away a temptation, and it just isn’t temptation we are talking about. There is a difference between a baby being born with fetal alcohol syndrome and going on to become an alcoholic because their mother drank while pregnant, and being born with the body God created you with.

    Find a church that will accept you are you are…as God created you to be. If you can’t find a church, just love Him in your home, your car, your office,….with anyone else who will fellowship with you, wherever that might be. Jesus said “Where two or three are gathered in My name, there am I in the midst.” Most of all, just love God, praise Him for who He is, for what He has done in your life, and for the gift of Christ He gave us. Let God teach you and lead you. No one knows the Way better than He does 🙂

    • bornagainbytheblood says:

      The Lord rebuke you! Your post reveals who your father is, the devil; and the lusts of your father you will do. Your father is the master manipulator, and yes he even quotes scripture — but it’s to distort the truth.

      While people may be born with gay tendencies, here are the facts about putting homosexuality into practice:

      Romans 1
      [26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
      [27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
      [28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

      And for Sodom and Gomorrah, this is the reason God destroyed them:

      Jude 1
      [4] For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
      [5] I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
      [6] And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
      [7] Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

      • sunnstorms says:

        And here is your problem. You are relying on the bible as we have it today, rather than looking the scriptures up in their original languages. For instance…
        Romans 1:26 is referring to prostitutes, not lesbians.
        χρησιν noun – accusative singular feminine
        chresis khray’-sis: employment, i.e. (specially), sexual intercourse (as an occupation of the body) ((Lexicon))

        Romans 1:27….do you know the difference between lust (as in the verse), and love? If not, you might want to figure it out.

        Romans 1:28 is talking about those who “did not like to retain God in their knowledge”…not those who love Him and recognize Him as Creator, God, Master,….

        Sorry, but Jude does not mention homosexuality, any more than Ezekiel 16, which says…
        49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters((suburbs)), neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

        50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

        Notice that homosexuality is never mentioned. Also, the word “abomination” in v.50 means idolatry or (concretely) an idol, in the original Hebrew, not homosexuality.

        Jude 7…fornication…do you know what fornication really means? Churches teach that it is all sex outside of marriage. That’s not correct. A fornicator is
        πορνος verb – present subjunctive – third person singular
        pornos por’-nos: a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine) — fornicator, whoremonger.

        In other words, indiscriminate sex…someone who has sex for the sake of sex, rather than being in a committed relationship.
        Strange flesh ..
        σαρκος noun – genitive singular feminine
        sarx sarx: carnal(-ly, + -ly minded), flesh(-ly).

        In other words, going after those who are not God minded, but carnally minded, or those who worship idols. Soloman got into trouble for going after “strange flesh”….his wives were from other areas, and worshipped false gods, and he began to do the same. That’s why they were told in the OT not to marry those from other countries…”strangers”.

        Lexicons are great tools for learning what the scriptures said in their original languages .

        And BTW…thanks for showing your christian love for me! Rather than asking where I got my ideas/beliefs, you accuse me of being (basically) the daughter of Satan. Attack, rather than converse….hmmmm…wonder who taught you that? It sure wasn’t Jesus. We are to be ready in season and out to prove our faith. You only prove your ignorance of scriptures as they were originally written, and your intolerance to beliefs other than what you learn at the feet of men. God has a better Way…ask Him what it is before you go on the attack again. From what you have so far written, it won’t be difficult to disprove most all your ideas, practices, and traditions.

        • warrior daughter says:

          Your agenda is to cause people to doubt what the Bible says….You need to come out of the darkness that is consuming you.

          As far as you hearing from the holy spirit (notice I did not capitalize ) you are hearing from a unclean spirit that has you thinking that you are hearing from the Holy Spirit (notice capitilzed). The Holy Spirit does not lead one into sin. The Holy Spirit is just that holy.

          You are deceived by others who have convinced you that the Bible has been mistranslated.

          • Absolutely not! I firmly believe that the scriptures (as they were originally written) are infallible, and absolute Truth inspired by God. The problem is, men translated, mistranslated, and mistransliterated some of what was written. BUT! Good news! God has made sure that we have access to His Truth in it’s pure form.

            Think about it…the word “gay” doesn’t mean the same thing today that it did back in the ’20s. Then, it meant “happy, cheerful”, now, we understand it to mean “homosexual”. And it took only 80 years for the word to change in meaning. When the original scriptures were translated, something was “lost in translation”….there were some ancient words which were obscure, and the translator didn’t know the original meaning, so he used the closest thing he thought it might be. There was also the beliefs and influence of the Church to consider. Some things were left out or even changed to suit the beliefs and teachings of the Church. Not my opinion, fact.

            Today (and this is the good news), we have the Lexicon and Concordance to show us what words, phrases, and even entire verses originally intended to say. Archaeologists have been able to find enough of the ancient languages to be able to understand the original languages. God will never leave us without a way to know Him better 🙂

            I use the KJV…it’s my favorite version. But I have learned in my quest for the Truth, as God inspired it, to SEARCH. I already knew that things can get lost in translation (try using an online translator, and see what weird things it comes up with! LOL), so I went in search of something that would help me understand the original languages better. Now, when I read my bible, I also use the lexicon to make sure what I am reading in the modern text lines up with what was in the original language 🙂

            Question…if the bible, in it’s present form, is able to be completely understood by believers, why are there over 3000 denominations and splinters which all claim to follow the bible, and yet believe such a wide variety of things? That’s what got me started on this quest. I have been on Christian forums for a few years now, and saw what each person had to say. Got kind of confusing, really. How can every church be “right” and follow the bible, yet all believe different things? So, I cried out to God, and promised Him that I would give up all my man-made beliefs, ideas, teachings, and practices if only He would show me His way, His Truth, His understanding. And He did. It was HARD!! The man-made foundation that had been built under me was stripped away, and all I had left was my faith in Him and His faithfullness.But, true to His word, He taught me, He led me, and He guided me.

            I know this is difficult, if not impossible, for you to understand. I wouldn’t have understood (or believed it!) it either just 3 years ago. But let me challenge you. I want to tell you why God led me out of church 🙂 I know, your hair is on end right now! lol But tell me does your church practice things like tithing, Communion, pot-luck dinners, church membership, …? I will show you scriptures that say NOT to do these things! Seriously! I just found the Communion one today! Unbelievable? It’s there! 1 Corinthians 11.

            Church membership? Wrong. Expenses such as choir robes, flowers, organs, electronical equipment,….wrong. Prohibiting drinking alcohol? Wrong.

            Here’s an example of what I mean about churches not knowing what they teach…Church of Christ forbids using musical instruments in worship, because they say it isn’t commanded in the NT, and they use Colossians 3:16 as their “blueprint” for what worship should consist of.
            “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”

            No musical instruments, right? At least not in the bible as we have it today…BUT, in the original language of Greek, “psalms” is:

            with psalms ψαλμοῖς psalmois 5568 a striking (of musical strings), a psalm ((Concordance))

            and

            ψαλμοις noun – dative plural masculine
            psalmos psal-mos’: a set piece of music, i.e. a sacred ode (accompanied with the voice, harp or other instrument; a psalm); collectively, the book of the Psalms — psalm.((Lexicon))

            So, we see that by using just the bible as we have it today, the Church of Christ has no idea what the scriptures even say about how to worship.

            Under NO circumstances should anyone stop reading the bible…but just be aware of the other tools God has provided us with to UNDERSTAND the bible.

          • From the insight I’m given it seems that you’ve simply departed with the truth. This may be hard to hear, but I believe God would rather have you hear this and return to the truth and to Him with a repentant heart, which will lead to restoration than just keep going down a broken path.

            2 Timothy 4:3-4 (New King James Version)

            3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

            The lexicon and concordances cannot give you understanding of scriptures, this is given by the leading of the Holy Spirit as you study the word and ask the Father for the Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth and understanding, in Jesus name. But anyway, I don’t think the lexicon and concordances will be able to refute the following scriptures, although I sense some other excuse may be sought, like the fact its from the old covenant or old testament or something. But Jesus said “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.” (Matthew 5:17). While our foundation, because of Gods great love, is grace and the blood of Jesus for our standing and acceptance before God, the Holy Spirit will lead us and sanctify us to establishing God’s laws in our lives or delivering us if we are walking in line with the truth. i.e. Gods view on these sins hasn’t changed with the new testament.

            Anyway, here we go –

            Leviticus 18:22 “‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

            If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

            The two above scriptures make God’s view on this sin clear. I really pray that God reveals the truth to you, and that you would be willing to hear the truth leading to repentance to Him. Cause He doesn’t want you walking in deception or in a dark path, especially in these days, cause of His love for you.

            Also I just wanted to add as thought of this later, in Genesis God clearly created woman, from man, for the purpose that the man and woman should be united together (Genesis 2:21-25). That’s his plan, and that’s a clear way to discern that anything contrary to that (God’s will) is a distortion. Unfortunetly sin came in and therefore such things are the fruit of sin’s effect. But its definitely not from God, nor is it His intention, and He wants to deliver people from it.

          • sunnstorms says:

            🙂 You are correct…it IS the Holy Spirit of God Whom leads us to all understanding. But, it isn’t just by inward thought that He leads us, it’s by leading us to every tool God has provided for us to understand. The Holy Spirit led me to find the Lexicon and other things…just as He gave us the scriptures to begin with. Do you understand? 🙂

            Hmmmm…the old Levitical Laws. Ok, those Laws were 1) given to the Levitical Priests, not to the general population, and 2) “to lie with a man as with a woman”….you have to search the Torah for this. It means that a man is not to be taken (as a woman is taken), but to take. It was a shame for any man to allow himself to be overtaken…he must be the MAN. It doesn’t speak against loving someone of the same gender. It doesn’t speak of “other” acts which don’t include penetration (forgive my bluntness).

            Something that people don’t understand is that being gay doesn’t make one a sex machine. Many gays don’t even have sex (for the same reasons straights don’t). Not all gays engage in the “forbidden act”. They want to love and be loved….and God has NEVER condemned love for Him or others in any form. He condemns lust (not love), idol worship, mistereating others,…but never love.

            Think on this please…
            If God is concerned with man being with woman, and no exceptions, why did He create humans with both male and female genders within one body? God has mixed the genders…so, unless one is genetically tested as a baby, how can one know for certain whether they should be with a man or a woman? Is it what is visible (the genitalia) the determining factor, or is it the things which cannot be seen (hormones, undecended testes in “women”, ovaries in “men”,…)? One in 100 are born with varying degrees of mixed gender. God made us this way, it isn’t self-induced.

            So, the answer is, God isn’t concerned with the “package”, He is concerned with the “gift” within the package…the spirit and the soul. He is concerned with what fruits are borne. Are they love, kindness, faith,…, or hate, selfishness, pride,…. It isn’t the body Jesus came and died for, it is our souls.

            What is sin, and why is it sin? Think carefully. Sin is hurting God…turning away from Him. Sin is hurting others or ourselves. Every Law, every commandment was set up for love. If anything is done for selfishness (lying, stealing, fornication, greed,…), then it is a sin. But, if something is done in faith, it is not sin (Romans 14). Rahab lied…but since she did it in faith, her life, and the lives of her family were spared. Ask yourself why Paul said “All things are lawful for me, but not all things are expedient.”.

            And as an aside….tell me what this verse means to you…
            Luke 17:34
            I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

          • I think the problem is you’ve avoided the point that I think came from God’s direction in my response to you, and that reflects God’s Sovereign will on the matter – for He is the Lord Almighty. That is once again, in Genesis – ‘in Genesis God clearly created woman, from man, for the purpose that the man and woman should be united together (Genesis 2:21-25). That’s his plan, and that’s a clear way to discern that anything contrary to that (God’s will) is a distortion. Unfortunetly sin came in and therefore such things are the fruit of sin’s effect. But its definitely not from God, nor is it His intention, and He wants to deliver people from it.’

            I feel God saying that you are using anything you can, even distorting of scripture, as an excuse to continue in what you know in your heart is not from God. Just felt led to this scripture ‘For everyone practising evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.’ John 3:20. Wow, bless the Lord cause really feel like He’s speaking to you here, and I sincerly hope that you ask God whether this comes from me or from Him, and I pray that the the Lord reveals to you, by His grace, your condition and that He leads you into the truth, breaking the power of deception in your life. I pray that He would lead you into repentance in Him, that you may receive all that God has for you. I was actually going to discuss more but just want to end it there. I don’t say it lightly that God is speaking through me, but I really do feel that He is trying to reach out to you here.

          • sunnstorms says:

            So…what you are telling me is that God made Adam (male) and Eve (female). He made them one for the other, to be the representation of everything to follow as far as relationships/marriage, right? And that there is to be no deviation from the example He began with them, correct? So tell me…who created/creates the intersex people (those who have varying degrees of both male and female hormones/chemistry/genitalia)? I’ve always believed that God creates all life, and that He doesn’t make mistakes. So are intersex people “distortions” of Gods will, as you put it? If so, then the Devil must be creating them, and I have never heard that the Devil can create life…? After all, if God only created Adam and Eve with no “Tony” (intersex person)…woman for man with no deviations…..then where do the intersex people come in? What about their relationships?

            WOWOW!!! You don’t know me, and yet you judge me to be evil from the few posts I have made here that you don’t agree with? (John 3:20 reference you posted to me)

            1 Corinthians 12:3
            Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
            Let me tell you who my Lord Jesus Christ is to me. He is my Master, my Lord, my Savior, my Rock, my Fortress, my Provider, my Confidant, my Hope, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, my Joy, my strength, my all in all, and He defeated Satan and Death when He made His final sacrifice on the cross at Calvary. I know that I, and my life, are worthless without Him.

            Let me tell you why you don’t agree with what I say. You learn at the feet of men. I have no idea what church you attend, or what denomination you belong to, but I can guarantee you that your church practices and teaches things that are not only unbiblical, but are in direct contradiction to the bible. There is also every possibility that your church has no faith in the promises Jesus made, and I can tell you how to find out in just 5 minutes how much faith your church leaders have in the words of Christ. Are you up for the challenge? I’m not trying to be contentious. I’m trying to get people to take a hard, honest look at their churches and leaders. A prime example of why was on the news the other night. It was a story about pastors and priests who don’t believe in God anymore, but since they aren’t trained to do anything else, they stay behind the pulpit, teaching about a God they don’t even believe in. None of their congregations know. They just try to get up there and talk about general ideas, like loving others and doing right in life, and hope no one finds out.

            If you honestly, sincerely, and completely desire to know God, His Truth, His will, and His desire for us, stop listening to men. The Truth has been so adulterated over the years that we seldom find anyone who knows it anymore. Here is what the bible has to say about those who attend years of seminary and take Theolgy classes to learn to preach…
            1 Corinthians 2:5
            That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
            1 Corinthians 1:19
            For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
            James 1:5
            If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
            ….notice it says “ask God”, not “ask men”.

            We need preachers only long enough to learn the “first principles”…who Christ is, what He did, and why. After that, we need to go to God for our answers…to mature. The difference between milk and meat

            So tell me…do you dare to take up my challenge, even if it means having to forget what you currently believe to be true, or are you permanently ensconced in your own beliefs, regardless of their being Truth or not?

            Do you believe Elijah was taken up to Heaven in a firey chariot to be with God, never to be seen of men again?
            Does your church practice tithing?
            Does your church have musical instruments, decorations, expensive electronics,…?
            Does your church have membership?
            Does your church forbid drinking?

            I can ask more pointed questions about your church if you care to tell me your denomination…

          • Timothy Luke says:

            "So tell me…who created/creates the intersex people (those who have varying degrees of both male and female hormones/chemistry/genitalia)? I've always believed that God creates all life, and that He doesn't make mistakes. So are intersex people "distortions" of Gods will, as you put it? If so, then the Devil must be creating them, and I have never heard that the Devil can create life…? After all, if God only created Adam and Eve with no "Tony" (intersex person)…woman for man with no deviations…..then where do the intersex people come in? What about their relationships?"

            God created Adam and Eve. He did not make a mistake. However, there is a little thing called "SIN" that entered the world and perverted it. You, being the scholar that you are, will have read of the race of giants. Did God create mankind with genetics for giants? If you read the origin of the giants, you will see there was demonic interference in the genetic pool of mankind. So, to say that because we see it today, it is AS GOD CREATED it, is not Biblically sound. The giants were killed off, yes, but they had to be killed off, or we would still have them today. God would not have us do anything but love homosexuals with His PURE love, today.

            Homosexual genetics are not a viable explanation for homosexuality. There is much about genetics we do not know, but there is certainly research that will demonstrate that our thoughts and mindsets can alter our genes… so, which came first? You simply do not know, but you will state a gene as the causal factor, rather than the perversion of mankind as a causal factor for a perversion of the genetics. Am I correct in this?

          • Lily -N-Valley says:

            Amen!! People always overlook that. Sin has long and far reaching consequences. One disobedient act in the beginning and we are still paying for it today.
            Satan perverts all that he can.

          • I was trying to point out as Timothy Luke below this post said that sin is the cause for distortions to God’s will and original plan, and that His will and original plan are perfect for us, for our good.

            I’m not judging you, nor did I call you evil. My intentions from these posts has been coming from a motivation of concern and love. If you noticed that verse, which I was led to send you by God, says for everyone practising evil…. I wasn’t saying you’re evil, the Lord was saying that you are practising what is evil in the sight of God, hence don’t want to come into the light. If you noticed in my posts, I was saying I pray that you repent because God doesn’t want you walking in darkness or deception, that you would be led to restoration, and that you would receive all that God has for you in this life. If you took that as judging you then that sucks, God tells us in His word to rebuke in love. I’m not going to compromise the truth, even if it may offend you.

            When it comes to your other questions, actually I was born in South Africa, I’m 26, my parents were both born in Europe, they came down here before I was born. I don’t belong to any denominations, the church I go to is just a christian church, and I totally agree with you that denominations are from men, and I think it’s clear that Jesus would never want divisions in His church, that comes from men. I was actually quite resistant to church but then God revealed to me the importance of fellowship with other believers in truth and in Spirit, and I realised how much of a blessing I was missing. The most important attribute of the church I go to is that it walks and worships God in truth and in Spirit, else I wouldn’t be there.

            When it comes to saying I follow the teachings of men, heh, that couldn’t be further from the truth. This is not to boast, but to show you thats not true, I spend most of my time with God in my room with the Word and with the presence of God. When I read the word I ask the Father to send the Holy Spirit to lead me and guide me in all truth, and I try not to understand the Word from my own resources, but wait upon the Holy Spirit as I read the Word to reveal it and the truth. So far from being led by men, I would say I am led by the Holy Spirit in my life and walk, as I also seek the Spirit to lead me throughout the day.

            I didn’t attend any theological schools or anything like that. I actually don’t really like religion, in fact I have a passion against man made religions, so if the Holy Spirit wasn’t real, and God wasn’t real, then I wouldn’t be interested in christianity. The fact that it is a real relationship with God, through Jesus, in the power of the Spirit, and that its the truth about God is why its so amazing, incredible and so real.

            As I said in the previous post, I don’t take it lightly to say God is talking through me, but I really feel that God was speaking to you and that He was and is trying to reach out to you. That’s basically all I have to say.

          • I went through the same thing in questioning “If we all have the same Holy Spirit, why are there so many different denominations ‘? It led me into grave error.The quickest way to respond is that we(Christians) are at differing levels of maturity,we might have been born into a denomination,and at so many levels we interpret scripture through our own “filters” or heart conditions.
            On God making no mistakes(no,I don’t believe He does,but there is another
            influence in this world)—
            Think about this- God does create all life, but, do you believe that He creates mental retardation,deformities,cancer,all manner of sickness and disease or even homosexuality? The answer to that, is a resounding NO!!!!!!!!
            Jesus came to undo the work of the devil!!!! We live in a fallen world,the Bible calls Satan the god of this world.He comes to kill, steal,and destroy!
            I’m not going to debate you on this,I do want you to think about what I wrote though 🙂
            Grace to you and Peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ,
            Beloved
            P.S. I would recommend putting down “That” Lexicon. If you have not been baptized by the Holy Spirit, pray that that you would be.

            P.S.S. Homosexuality goes against God’s (understood) natural law, in that it produces No fruit,nor can it.

  8. sisterd says:

    Habitual sins do not go away overnight. God has healed me of OCD, anxiety, drug and alcohol problems, but I am still stuck in the sin of gluttony. I found this website called “setting the captives free” and your post has encouraged me to start a 60 program called “The Lord’s Table.” I am sending you a link for “Way of Purity” to help you with sexual sin. May God bless you with celibacy or a heterosexual marriage relationship.

    http://www.settingcaptivesfree.com/courses/way-of-purity/
    MARANATHA

  9. Timothy Luke says:

    Dear brother, have you contacted http://exodusinternational.org ? They have walked down this road and helped thousands find the victory and freedom in Jesus that you are now seeking….

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