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Mormon Religion
The Mormon religion was founded by Joseph Smith around 1830 in the United States of America. It is a fast growing religious movement which claims more than 12 million adherents worldwide as of 2006 (1). Mormonism teaches that historical Christianity is totally apostate, and God raised up Joseph Smith as a prophet to restore it. In addition to using the Bible (which they believe is totally inadequate by itself to tell us what we need to know), mormons believe that the "revelations" "discovered" by Joseph Smith which came to be written down as the "Book of Mormon" are Scripture. They also base their religious system on two other books: "Doctrines and Covenants" and "The Pearl of Great Price" as well as the pronouncements of their "living prophets", which they teach are Scripture and binding on all true believers.
Mormonism spreads primarily through its worldwide missionary efforts - good young unmarried mormon men are required to do two years missionary service. There are other recommendation for women and for those who have finished with child rearing responsibilities. Mormonism appeals to many on the basis of its appeal to strong family values. But when you look deeper into this mysterious and fascinating religion, you will find all kinds of bizarre practices and beliefs.
Mormonism now teaches that God was once a man, and that man may become a God (through mormonism, of course). This contradicts the book of mormon itself, but mormons don't really follow what the book of Mormon says anyway. Mormons are taught that God the Father is now on a planet near the star Kolob with his wives having spiritual children. They believe that Jesus and Lucifer (Satan) were once spirit brothers. They once taught that Jesus was married to more than one wife (I'm not sure if this doctrine is still taught). Some of the other fascinating religious beliefs of this group are listed below later in this page.
Many mormons at some time in their lives get involved in mysterious secret rites which are practiced at their special mormon temples. These rites include baptism for the dead. Mormons believe that by being baptised "in proxy" for their departed relatives and for others, they can release their souls so as to be able to enter a higher paradise. Mormons also believe in the importance of wearing a special kind of magic underwear, which is supposed to protect them somehow. This underwear is supposed to be worn at all times except when washing. The underwear has on it certain images from the occultic religion of freemasonry. Mormon temples are reputedly full of masonic imagery - apparently Joseph Smith was a freemason also at one stage. The temple rituals are supposed to be totally secret. However some former temple workers who left the mormon church have revealed the rituals as they were and probably are still practiced. You will not be any closer to God if you know the substance of these rituals, I can assure you.
The Mormon publication, "The Doctrine of Salvation, V.1." on page 188 states that "Mormonism so-called stands or falls on the history of Joseph Smith. For either he was a prophet, with divine calling, name and empowerment, or he was one of the greatest charlatans the world has ever known".
If Joseph Smith was a true prophet from God, then his prophecies should have come to pass. However, there are plenty of cases where they did not. For example, Joseph Smith claimed that before 1891, and before he reached the age of 85, Jesus Christ would return. Well, Joseph Smith did not reach the age of 85 - he was murdered on the 27th of July 1844. And we know that Jesus Christ didn't return before 1891, bringing an end to the present world order.
Smith prophesied in 1832 concerning the American civil war that the British would get involved and the war would extend to all nations. This is just one of his false prophecies concerning the American civil war. Smith also predicted the demise of the government of the state of Missouri which had displeased him - this never happened. He prophesied that the civil war would not result in the freedom of 'Ham' - this could not happen until the millenium according to Smith. Here again Smith was demonstrating just what a false prophet he was.
As to the character of Joseph Smith Jr., the historical record is clear that he was a man who sneaked off and took multiple wives, including the wives of other men, to be his own wives. He justified this with special revelations, claiming God told him to do it. Brigham Young, one of the early "apostles" of Mormonism apparently had 19 or more wives also. Although the mormon church today does not advocate polygamy or polyandry, why shouldn't they be willing to follow the leadership of their own Prophets? Could it be that those prophets were in error, or did God actually command them to do these things?
Mormonism can look good to sincere people who are untaught in the Scriptures. They have a well-oiled religious organisation and an incredible amount of money to back it. They don't teach people all their strange beliefs until later on - especially after they are baptised. If Mormon beliefs were widely known by all, that cult would have a hard time gaining any new converts. But they will continue to gain converts no doubt, as long as widespread ignorance concerning the Bible exists around the world, and people remain open to the deceptive religious spirits in this world which deceive people by a thousand and one methods of false religion.
The other thing to note is that Mormons teach things which promote wholesome family life and they are really good at organizing family and community events in such a way as to create a tremendous support network for their members. Even so, lovers of truth need to look at the foundations of the movement, for what shall it profit a man if he has a great family life, if he loses his soul?
Mormon Beliefs
Prospective mormons are encouraged to pray to God to ask if the book of Mormon be true. They are told that the answer will come to them by means of a burning sensation in their bosom. Sadly, many people don't bother to check out the Book of Mormon according to more objective tests - like internal consistency, archaelogical support and so on. The fact that many mormons testify to this experience of "burning in the bosom" doesn't make the book of mormon true. It only means that there are spiritual beings out there which are willing to create that kind of sensation in people in order to promote the religion of mormonism. A well-informed Christian would know these beings to be demons. Lots of religions have spiritual experiences. Indeed, some of these experiences might be explainable in mere psychological terms, but a great many of them, in fact, are explainable only in terms of the spirit world. The Bible teaches that this world is full of evil, deceptive spirits who operate under Satan's command and seek to draw men into sin and destruction. To my mind, only such a scenario could adequately explain how so many otherwise intelligent people have been sucked into the religion of mormonism.
What follows are some of the strange doctrines of mormonism.
God was once a man - Brigham Young said, "If our Father and God should be disposed to wak through these aisles, we should not know Him from one of the congregation. You would see a man and that is all you would know about Him." (Journal of Discourse, Vol II, pg 40). Mormons belief that through faithfulness to the mormon doctrine they too may one day become gods with a planet of their own.
God the Father has many wives - God the Father, according to the "Pearl of Great Price" in "Abraham 3:9,16", is said to be living on a planet near the star Koleb with his wives having spiritual children.
Jesus was the spirit brother of Lucifer - according to this doctrine Jesus became the Savior because he came up with a better plan than Lucifer concerning how to get the people on earth to worship God (see The Kingdom of God, by Oscar McConkie Jr pg 46; Pearl of Great Price, Book of Moses, 4:1-3).
Black-skinned people are of inferior origin - mormonism teaches that the spirit beings that did not fight valiantly for God come to earth as blacks, while those who fought valiantly come to earth as whites. Until very recently blacks could not become priests in the mormon system of worship for reasons related to this and other demeaning doctrines.
President Brigham Young, for example, in the March 1863 Journal of Discourses 10:110, said: "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so."
We are saved by grace, after we have done all we can - who is there that has done 'all they can' in following any given religious system? No one. This is a kind of double-speak. Mormonism is a system of religious works and merit from start to finish. It is all about earning merit and a state of worthiness by obedience to the mormon religious system.
Joseph Smith will judge who may or may not enter into heaven. See Brigham Young, Oct 9, 1859, Journal of Discourses 7:282
Jesus Christ practiced Polygamy during His ministry on earth
President Orson Hyde, president of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, General Conference, October 1854, Journal of Discourses 2:210 wrote: 'I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Marthda, and others were his wives, and that he begat children.'
There are many other strange mormon doctrines and beliefs which I may get into later. I hope it is clear for those who may be considering the mormon religion seriously that there are many strange and highly doubtful teachings and practices which have perhaps even less credibility than the prophecies of their originator - Joseph Smith.
Problems with the Book of Mormon - an extensive article written by a former believer in the Book of Mormon, who "studied his way out".
Out of Mormon Deception - a powerful testimony.
Berean Christian Ministries - Mormon Studies
C.A.R.M. - Matthew Slick has compiled some more information on the mormon religion which is very helpful. Sources: (1) (see http://www.allabout mormons .com/ number_of_mormons.php - remove spaces to get the URL)
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The website is called
The website is called Christian faith. Why are Mormons even here. And when Christians ask you to prove something about your religion, don't use scriptures from Joseph smith, it just wrecks your cause. It's not part of the real bible. It's in fact evidence of how you completely destroyed the Christian reputation
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Hi !
Thank you for the article and all your site, I really like it and had a nice time reading everything.
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Do not trust this article
Would you go to the Pharisees to learn about Christ? If you want to know what Mormons really believe, visit www.mormon.org and get it straight. We Mormons do have and revere a modern-day prophet, just as the true believers did in the time of Christ. Our "religion" was not contrived by Joseph Smith or any other man, but was established by God Himself, just as in the days of Christ. And just as the Church of God was persecuted in olden times, His church receives the same persecutions today. The nick-named "Mormon" church is no less than the Church of Jesus Christ, and has been restored to the earth to prepare His people for His second coming. And who are His people? You are, if you are willing to listen to His message, accept the truth, and be baptized.
It's funny, you say your
It's funny, you say your religion wasn't conceived by any other man, but you believe god was a man. Explain to me, where the he'll in the bible does it say that. Oh wait it probably says it in that farse of a religious text you use.
Why believe Joseph Smith?
Honestly, this guy made false prophecies that did not come to pass. He taught all kinds of doctrines he made up and stories about American races which have no confirmation in archeology. I can't think of one good reason to actually trust Joseph Smith.
Did Joseph Smith heal the sick, raise the dead or cast out demons? Did he have proven words of knowledge? We have all these things in Pentecostal churches today. Mormons only have a well-oiled, well financed religious machine and a lot of human religious dedication. There isn't any evidence that the living God is in their religion.
Honestly?
Through the centuries many anti-Christ have said the same or similar things about Jesus, but that didn't seem to stop you. Even though Satan has raged in the hearts of men to deceive even the very elect, yet deep inside you know that Jesus really is the Lord in whom you can trust.
Joseph Smith didn't make up anything more than any other prophet did in history. He indeed did heal the sick, raise the dead, and cast out devils, and much more. But these really don't matter. Even if Joseph Smith did none of these things, our faith is in Christ, not Joseph Smith.
But the fact is that it all boils down to whether the Lord Jesus called Joseph Smith as His prophet in modern times to restore His church to the earth. And He did. My challenge to you is to ask God sincerely if what I'm telling you is true. I promise He will answer you and tell you that it is. You already possess some of the truth, and it sounds like God has already confirmed that for you. Now it's time for you to discover the rest of it.
Since the days when the Lord restored His church through the prophet Joseph Smith, there have been many, many miracles, visions, and spiritual gifts manifest among the members of the church. You want a sign or some other evidence that God is in our religion? All I can show you is my faith, exhibited by my works. God IS our religion.
honestly???
"Ask God sincerely if what I'm telling you is true"
You can never find such statement if the Bible. Jesus says in John 5:39,to search the scriptures,and that the scriptures testify about him,not through prayer, Paul in Acts 17:2,3 uses reason to explain and prove Christ from the Scriptures. In 2 Cor 11:4-6, Christians in Berea did not take Apostle's words for granted but examined the Scripture to see if whether what he preached was truth. It's not biblical to pray to whether something is true or not. Any religion can claim that. You cannot know Christ apart from the Word of God.
FAITH COMES BY HEARING, AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD. Romans 10:17
The ability to believe is not determined by how i feel when i pray but by the knowledge of truth found in the word of Christ. Truth is objective, unbiased. Feelings are subjective. Knowledge of truth is critical. Acts 17:2,3.
When something is at stake I want to put may faith in something concrete,objective and unbiased rather than how I feel about it.
Eternal life is at stake so. your choice.
John 5:39
"You search the Scriptures because you think that in
them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me"
2 Cor 11:4-6
"For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. Indeed, I consider that I am not in the least inferior to these super-apostles. Even if I am unskilled in speaking, I am not so in knowledge; indeed, in every way we have made this plain to you in all things."
Acts 17:2,3
And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.”
Acts 17:10-12
The brothers[b] immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue. Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.
This artical is worthless
The above artical is full of bold face lies and followed up with half truths. Spoken by an obvious anti-Mormon who's only objective is to smear the LDS faith. Get your facts straight, and get back with us.
Name one thing he said that
Name one thing he said that was inaccurate about your bizarre faith. Why are you on this website. It's for Christians..
He are on sad person you have
He are on sad person you have no idea what you are saying You know for a fact that the so called mormon religon is Really just a CULT and that its only been around for 181 years where as me being a chatholic have been around scince the begining of time even b4 jesus christ was born into this world by the blessed Virgin Mary and for you to even think for one second that any of this is false you are wrong again. I fully believe that this should be shared with the world and expose the mormons for who they really are a bunch of polygamy ppl and ppl that look to a false prophet for hope
sad
The Mark of Cain conviction was brought against every person in the world who had color in their skin. It was demoralizing and a lie of the caucasian. The Mark of Cain was, and will always be the curse of the white or pale skinned person. Numbers 12: verse 9-10 “The anger of the LORD burned against them, and he left them. When the cloud lifted from above the tent, there stood Miriam leprous, like snow." Miriam was a person of color, because if she was not there would have been no need to state that her skin became white like snow. Miriam was obviously a different color than Cain.
This is also a fact because satan is the ruler of this world and the Bible states that satan (will rule this world). The white race has ruled the world for some very long time.
When Cain and Abel were born they both came out colored just like a person of color, Eve did not ever say that Cain looked different than Abel but his spirit seemed wrong to her. Cain had the spirit of satan in him because his father was satan, Abel original father was made from the clay of the Earth by God because He is Adam's father, and Admas decedants father.
At first Cain did not stand out until he recieved the mark, which is the mark of pale skin which is the CURSE. Cain was already cursed because he was satan's son, but "God" wanted "His People" who "He" knew would inhabit the Earth from Adam's line to know this. That is why he put the pale skin on Cain so that he would stand out from everyone else, the world was then filled with God's colored people and white Cain decedants. The white race is evil and they are satan's offspring.
Curse and mark of Cain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is about ALL of our people of color, all over the world, we are One People and that is the truth that Cain have kept from us for thousands of years thru chaos and trickery, they like for us all to remain doubtful towards each other and not trust each other. Pray for your brothers and sisters all around the world, pray that we come back together.
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How do you not even know your
How do you not even know your own faith, or are you once again trying to twist up words to make it sound less racist. The mark of ham is what he's referring to, not Cain.
Hey gt1085
hey gt, what happend? did you get beat up by a white girl and now you dont like white people and tryin to use the bible to help you out? see here that all you said is wrong. you may try to use those versus to get people mad but the people that know the bible knows that what YOU say aint true like when Miriam was cursed with leprosy, (Leprosy is a skin lesion(lesion is a PATCH like PLAUQE or SORE from a chronic infectious disease of humans caused by the bacteria Mycobacterium leprae.) leprosy dosent change your intire body color or should i say your skin PIGMENT but its a patch of skin thats infected and turns white cuz its DEAD, ROTTEN like sore that killed the skin.
And if you kept reading witch i know was hard for you, youll see that moses prayed for her to be healed and god said for the dad to spit on her and left outside for 7 days and after that they traveld again.
White people aint white as snow and when white people have leprosy you can really see it.
Or when eve was seduced by the devil and she bore cain?
GEN 4: 1 Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man.” 2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.
Nothen before or after says she had sex with the devil. she was only seduced to eat the forbidden fruit.
No were in the bible says that Eve knew somthing was wrong with Cain or "but his spirit seemed wrong to her".
and yea i looked up the "Curse and mark of Cain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" and you know good and well its not a curse of bein white=
GEN 4: 8 Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.”While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.
9 Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?”
“I don’t know,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper?”
10 The LORD said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. 11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”
13 Cain said to the LORD, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”
15 But the LORD said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the LORD’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
and after that he got married and had kids. WOW no white guy curse there either.
so sounds like someones mad cuz hes girlfriend but probably boyfriend
got took from him buy a white guy so hes on a rant for that terrible crime.
and if colord people are only gods children then why are all these white people goin to other countrys where theres black, hispanic and god knows what else those countrys are to teach them about God and Jesus and then you come to find out bout none of them know God Or Jesus. but only colord people are gods children.
if you belive that crap then have fun at your job cuz your boss is prob white himself. ah ha.
you aint got god with you cuz you got hate for others like the other guy said in verse.
but anyways what you need is a real, good preist to baptize you and maby hold you under water longer till you get that foolish crap outta your head, and get over with the loss of your boyfreind.
prob takes gt five mins to solve the math to post his comment. brings him back nightmares of barely gettin through high school
Dad did not spit on her
Numbers 12:14
King James Version (KJV)
14And the LORD said unto Moses, If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed seven days? let her be shut out from the camp seven days, and after that let her be received in again.
Moses had prayed and asked God to heal Miriam. God said to put her outside of the camp. For she would be unclean for 7 days even if her father had simply spit on her, therefore it was proper for her to be considered unclean for 7 days with the leprosy. BUT her father did not spit on her.
gt1085
@gt1085
There is only one race: the human race. Everyone is just lighter and darker shades of brown. Everyone's body simply produces different amounts of melanin.
The truth is there are no significant differences between the 'races'.
Of course, if you read the bible properly, you would already know this. The Scriptures say that God is not partial and that we are all one in Christ. We also know we have a common ancestor, Adam. God loves everyone. He loves you and His love will enable you to love others and overcome your prejudices.
@Allupinya
I do not agree with gt1085 post either, but I'm not sure insulting him is very persuasive. I think a lot of his anger may be due to some warped teachings on the so-called curse of black skin and on Ham's curse being slavery of Africans. Thankfully, many people are recognizing these things as false. But, I do remembering growing up hearing those things from well-intentioned 'Christians'. Even so, I do not think his reaction (accepting the 'white devil' doctrine, which is just as bad) can be justified. gt1085, are you NOI?
"moses prayed for her to be healed and god said for the dad to spit on her"
I do not see where in the bible Miriam was spat on, but I am willing to be corrected.
"prob takes gt five mins to solve the math to post his comment. brings him back nightmares of barely gettin through high school"
And this is just insulting. Not to mention, probably false. You never knew who might be reading this, and by your words come to the conclusion that Christians are unkind or rude. Since you seem to know the Bible well, you have also read to 'love your neighbor' and James 3?
That's a very cruel thing to
That's a very cruel thing to say. If you scroll down you'll see another post by lookinforacity talking about being in the light and having the love of God. I don't know what spirit you are under, but it is definetly not the Holy Spirit. In Christ there is not white or color, we are all one in Him. 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.' Galatians 3:28
Your words are going very contrary to scripture and all I can suggest is you, if you are willing to humble yourself, seek the Lord God to confess your sin and set you free from any curses and/or spirits of deception that may be working in your life, and seek Him to reveal to you and remove any curses that may have been passed down to you from your ancestors, by the blood of Jesus. I pray that your eyes would be opened and you would be delivered from your current deception and any evil spirits or curses working in your life and come into the truth, in Jesus name.
Jesus didn't come to save white or color people, Jew or Greek or Gentile, He came to save SINNERS! And He said (unless you think you are greater than Jesus?) 'All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.' By your logic you are saying Jesus will reject a white person if he/she comes to Him. Please notice what kind of deception you are under.
Mormons is at the heart of
Mormons is at the heart of thier father lucifer....Whites can never have "The Holy Spirit of God" in them like God's true children do, whites have the spirit of their father satan/lucifer in them, always. Satan never created life only GOD CREATED LIFE. Satan copied life when he slept with Eve in the Garden and white people are the offspring of Cain. God put a mark of WHITE SKIN ON (WHITES) IN ORDER TO PROTECT HIS PEOPLE (NON-WHITES/COLORED PEOPLE) FROM THEM in order to be able to see them separate and "resist the devil and flee from him" (his lifeless evil spirit that his children spread all over the world..)
That is where the white race began, yes, that far back in the garden with the serpent, many (non-whites) built walls around the world to try to keep them out. The fallen ones children really do know who they are they just don't want non-whites to figure it out.
Video of a white well known pagan church" end of quote
This page has truth on it, ALL white people ARE satan's children!!!!
NOW NOW easy there bud not
NOW NOW easy there bud not all white ppl are of satans children and not all colored ppl are of gods children if you remember right God has said that all ppl are his children its up to us to decide which one we follow its not us to you on who i follow and its not up to me to decide who you follow would god want you to say any of that and JUDGE ppl is it not one of the ten commandment thow shell not judge right if im wrong then shame on me. At least i can admit when im wron now for all you mormons you are wrong and yes im JUDGING you and yes im wrong for it but someone needs to take a stand against you satan followers
All people are of god and his
All people are of god and his image. Satan didn't have children, read the bible.
gt1085
You are absolutely deceived ! You are also most likely demonized. Turn from these beliefs,pray for freedom,then pray for truth. Your message is one of hate.
God is love!
Sincerely,
Beloved
YOUR 100% CORRECT
Your statements are 100% coorect.I have not ever seen so much minipukation,lying,deciet or wickedness in any thing as bad as Mormonism.They claim to walk in love but try leaving their doctrine,they harrass and minipulate every thing.When mormons speak their speaking from their own father who is Satan the father of lies.What I find so funny is they dont like Dr.Helland my dear friend and he even has letters from Utah from higher up Mormons who he has challened their doctrine and wins every time.I never knew people could actualley think they were christians buit be so blind till I met mormons.So I just want to thank you for stating facts..................If you ever get a chance read about Dr.Helland he is a professor at O.R.U and he is a great man of God.
They only walk in "love"
They only walk in "love" because they are trying to get exhalation, one of the most sinister elements of mormonism which is a direct contradiction of the ten commandments.
Heya timt just letting you
Heya timt just letting you know I think you made a mistake with the reply button so it looks like you are saying its 100% correct what gt1085 is saying, which obviously you not cause your other posts speak against the mormon religion and what he's saying. Cause that gt1085 guy is not saying that stuff on another's behalf, its what he believes, which is saddening that deception can be so prevalent. One look at scripture and his comments are undone. For the Word is a sword - 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.' - Galatians 3:28. If you wanted to reply to the actual article rather than to a comment I think you scroll all the way to the bottom where you can fill in a comment and click 'save'
Just letting you know.
God bless
Daniel
Thank you
I didnt have my contacts in and I just want to say thank you for being so kind as in helping me with this error of mine.You must be a genuine careing person because on most web sights people get really offended if you make a mistake thank you again.If I ever post something again hopefully you will be so kind again just in case I make the mistake again.Tim
Re: Your HATE messages and Profile
Dear gt
Joh 5:42
But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
Rom 5:5
Because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
1Jn 2:9
He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1Jn 2:11
But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1Jn 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1Jn 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
God still loves you, if you would like to get to know Him.
Psa 34:8
O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
Psa 103:3
Who forgiveth all thine iniquities;
JIM
You said nothing
You write down scriptures but you cant say one word in your own behalf next time say something
Re: Matt. 3 posts
Hi matt_84
You have written 3 posts, one under another, but the person you posted in reply to, was not a Mormon.
SO for the life of me I cannot tell who you were posting to.
The other thing is, it would be greatly appreciated If when you do post, you would take the time to go back and proof read your text, before hitting the save button.
For the life of me I could hardly tell what you were talking about.
You seem to get very worked up when you hear someone is in a CULT.
What are you going to do, when through the course of your reading, you find someone else saying almost verbatim, about the Catholic Religion, what you have just said about the Mormon Religion?
Just want you to be prepared when that happens, so you wont be to shocked.
Be Blessed
JIM
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Matt, Thank you for that very
Matt, Thank you for that very good example of how to communicate without love.... " though I know all mysteries and have all knowledge, if I have not charity, it profits me nothing...."
Just a Christian
I am about 14 years old. A very stroung christian. but i just keep finding "holes" in the mormon religion. I have been talking to some of my Morman friends and since i am very interesten in this religion... i dont want to belive in it i just want to know more about it. they say that Mormans believe in what the bible says. even the Joeseph smith guy used some of what the bible said in th BOM--Book Of Mormans--yet he added a few stuff that supposidly got told him to write... do we have proof go told him that... do we have proof that he didnt just make it up.. do we have proof that he wasnt just some guy who wanted to make a few bucks off of this?.., maybe im going to far on this...
Back to my point, Galatians 1 8 and 9
"8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!"
This is basicly saying anyother religion isnt true, it "calls of" any other religion. Because when the bible was writen it was definitly way before mormonism was created. s this scripter clearly states that mormanism is not as it seems.
My brother. Do not go to
My brother. Do not go to their website. They will corrupt you. Fir they have been endowed with the powers of manipulation from satan, who is, in their religion, gods brother. I applaud you for your ability to see those things. I'm only sixteen and I'm just sick of these people.
hello
If you want to go to my web sight and on one of my links is Dr.Dean Helland.He is a personel friend of mine and he is a leading expert on Mormonism.He is known world wide because he is one of the only living people that has studied the mormon doctrine for over 45 years.What he has taught me and millions around the world is just amazing.The lies and deception about mormons most mormons dont even realize.Just 15 minutes listening to Dr.Helland will shock and really expose so much but his web sight just really exposes so much that it would takes over a year to go through.Well be blessed,,,,,,Tim http://exposingthedarkness.com/
Origin of the Book of Mormon
There's a book you can buy called "Who really wrote the Book of Mormon". Apparently a lot of it was based on the fictional writings of a backslidden preacher called Solomon Spaulding. Those who are interested can check it out further. They make a fairly strong case for this I am told.
Clarification on Lies/Misrepresentations
First and foremost - I am a a member of the LDS Church, and I actually understand our doctrines. For those who actually consider this reliable information, I'm sorry. I'll clarify on a few key lies/misrepresentations I read.
"God the Father has many wives - God the Father, according to the "Pearl of Great Price" in "Abraham 3:9,16", is said to be living on a planet near the star Koleb with his wives having spiritual children."
---Did you bother reading those scriptures you referenced? It mentions nothing about God the Father having many wives, nor spiritual children.
"Jesus was the spirit brother of Lucifer - according to this doctrine Jesus became the Savior because he came up with a better plan than Lucifer concerning how to get the people on earth to worship God."
---Classicly taken out of context. Mormons believe that ALL men were in the presence of God before this Earth was created, and that all are brothers and sisters - spiritual children of God. Did you know that Lucifer comes from the latin word for "Light-Bearer"? Why do you think Satan was referred to as a light-bearer? Because he was also a spiritual child of God who rebelled at God, and was then cast out. Isaiah, in Isaiah 14:12 refers to the fall of Lucifer from heaven.
"Black-skinned people are of inferior origin"
---This doctrinal claim isn't even remotely true.
"We are saved by grace, after we have done all we can"
---There is a verse in the book of mormon, where a prophet says "We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." This, even amongst members of the LDS church, is often misinterpreted. There is no doubt, that some LDS members do not rely enough on the grace of Christ to save them, and are too works-based. But in order to understand this verse you need to ask the question - what is "all we can do?"
The fact is, we can't do much. We can have faith in Jesus Christ, repent of our sins, be baptized by immersion, for the remission of sins by the proper authority, and receive the gift of the holy ghost by the laying on of hands. We can strive to be obedient. We definitely don't believe that you get to just "SAY" that you believe in Christ and that is enough. Faith without works is dead (James 2). And "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21). In the book of mormon, there is a verse where a leader of a nation expresses that "all they can do" is to "repent" and come unto Christ.
That is how we are saved. But coming unto Christ requires a whole lot more than just saying it - which is something you seem to believe from what you're writing.
Some of the other doctrinal points are taken out of context, given without sufficient understanding, etc - and it would take forever to actually address them. In the end - I know that no one will be persuaded - but when writing about what you think mormons believe - try getting it somewhat accurate.
You state: "The Bible teaches that this world is full of evil, deceptive spirits who operate under Satan's command and seek to draw men into sin and destruction. To my mind, only such a scenario could adequately explain how so many otherwise intelligent people have been sucked into the religion of mormonism."
Have you ever actually read the Book of Mormon? I guarantee that you have not. That's fine - but it's not like we think it's some mystical book. It is simply a record of historical writings from other prophets that left Jerusalem around 600 B.C. and migrated miraculously to the American continent. Maybe you should ask yourself, what is it that makes so many intelligent people believe in this religion? Maybe I should at least get my facts straight.
LETS GET FACTS STRAIGHT
Yes I have read the mormon doctrine several times.I am personel friends with Dr.Dean Helland who is one of the only leading experts on Mormonism.He has studied all the lies and false teachings for over 40 years.He is known world wide and he is always in high demand to speak at places.If you were to go to his web sight deanhelland.com you will see why he has led well over a thousand people to Christ who have left the mormon doctrine.Because of the things he is teaching me I am helping expose all the lies about the mormon doctrine also.I find it amazing even missionariesfrom differnt states that their at will not at all talk to Dr.Helland and how many missionaries are coming out of the darkness.Mormonism is an occult and it always will be.Joseph smith had so many problems and he was a ruthless person and that has been proven countless times.So sense I know several mormons that got saved who knows maybe you will look at the truth also......................Tim Thompson http://exposingthedarkness.com/
Symbolizes
Sometimes when a scripture says something dont take it literally. its just symbolizing the scripture.
False prophecies.
There is no question that a number of Smith's prophecies were not fulfilled. whatthedavies, I don't think even you could explain why New York still stands.
And as far as myself and the bible concerned, one unfulfilled prophecy makes one a false prophet.
Deuteronomy 18:20 (King James version) says: "But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die."
Now does God change his mind, or was Joseph Smith simply wrong i.e. false?
Mormonism
Joseph Smith was 14 years old when he had a vision of 2 people whom he believed to be the Father & the Son...His question to them was what denomination should he join & he was told none because they are "all wrong & corrupt".
Visions are not to be taken lightly nor to be endorsed without confirmation through the Word of God...Here is a question why would the Father leave heaven & visit a boy???Remember the people of the Bible could not look upon God ....Even Moses only saw His shadow...
Later an angel called Moroni appeared at Smith's bedside. There are two kinds of angels heavenly & then fallen angels...Scripture says that Satan can appear as a angel of light...Did Smith test & see where this angel came from??What was it the angel brought???It was not the Word of God but where some plates were buried that supposably were written in Egyptian hierglyphics..Who interpreted these plates???Was it a reknown person who could rightly interpret them???No, it was Smith but here is another problem no one has ever seen these plates unlike the Word of God there are ancient scrolls to back it up...
Supposably there are ancient cities in America from 2 great civilations that arrived here from the middle east but no one (archelogists) have ever found evidence...Those who arrived here from the middle East brought with them the ancient plates that Smith found...Where are the plates & where are the remains of these civilizations???
The Pearl of Great Price was translated from some ancient Egyptian writings..There are fragments to these writings but they are nothing more than funeral instructions to embalmers..
We cannot ever become gods..."as God is man can become" (Mormon belief)....Many have wanted to be a god but we are not destined to be gods ...God was never a mortal man & if you can show me where in the Holy Bible where it is stated He was a man orginally than I will believe it....The Word of God is the only truth & any writings from man has flaws in it...
I do not know if you are a first generation Morman or you have a heritage of Mormonism but I would recommend that you buy a Bible & not one by the LDS but one from a store (Life Application is good one) & read what it has to say & then compare it with what you have been indoctrined with...
One day you will be face to face with God & what you have embraced will be shown to you as a great deception...The most valuable thing that you have is your soul & your soul must be cared for with Truth from the Word of God & anything else does not contain truth..
Former Mormon
I myself left the LDS church after only one month. I had been ordained in Feb. of last year and joined the mormon church exactly ten months and one day later. I was relatively happy. However I wasn't taught any of the more controversial doctrines, and when I discovered them on my own I called the missionaries responsible for my conversion and told them I wished nothing more to do with the LDS church.
PRAISE GOD
You found the truth through Christ and I am really excitted and happy for you.So many people are being lied to and minipulated through all their lies but Satan has got them bound up they cant see any truth at all.
I am mormon
I totally agree with *David85*. But if youre on this page to insult someones religion, especially if you are christian, then you should take your pessimistic comments somewhere else where it does not insult ones faith or just keep it to yourself. It truly is an amazing religion and I don't know what I would do without it so yeah. And we listen to the lord through Joseph Smith. It says in the bible that God works miracles through people, eg. Moses parting the red sea, and that if you ask you shall recieve so i wouldnt question this faith too much if I were you because it all makes perfect sense once you stop being criticle and just look at it.
Thankyou :)
To add to what Timothy Luke
To add to what Timothy Luke has said, Christians are also called to speak the truth in love in the hope that people will come to a knowledge of the truth and escape the traps and schemes of the devil, who has taken people captive to do his will. 2 Timothy 2:24-26
'And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
Remember Jesus was not afraid to offend people, for example the pharisees of His time by speaking the truth to them. I don't believe the intention of these articles is to intentionally offend or critisize, but to speak the truth and warnings to people.
amen.
amen.
Mormonism may be a "truly
Mormonism may be a "truly amazing religion." No dispute there. But, this is a Christian site and Mormonism is not true to the whole body of the teachings of Jesus Christ. It gives the modern revelations to Joseph Smith preeminence to canonized scripture when they do not agree. Please do not be surprised that Christians would not consider Mormonism, Christian.
An amazing religion, perhaps. Personally, here is what I do without Mormonism.... I serve and worship Jesus in spirit and in truth.
We do not believe in the revelations of Joseph Smith. I do believe, personally, that he stole the religion and its rites from the Masons and that Masonry is inherently evil, being devoted to the worship of false gods. Bad root, bad fruit.
This is a Christian forum. We are free to define who we are and what we believe and what we do not believe. Are you saying that Mormons do not insult the Christian community and speak down about them among themselves???
Without sounding like too
Without sounding like too much of a jerk...
This is like the blind leading the blind. Tell me, any of you, which relgion is not made up? It just so happens that Mormon were made up more recent than most others? Sure, there is little if any evidence that Book of Mormon is true, but can anyone show me one iota of evidence that Jesus performed a single miricle, let alone was raised from the dead? In the end, Mormonism is no more right or wrong than any other religion out there. It all boils down to individual (or group) interpetations of the scriptures.
Just leave the Mormons alone. They are good people. Lastly, if you do believe in the Bible, remember that you will judged the same way that you judge others. I am not judging the Mormons or the Christians. I think they are all wonderful people. Do you want Jesus judging you the way you judge the Mormons?
without sounding like too
You wrote: "Just leave the mormons alone, they are good people". What did Jesus say when someone called him good? He said: Why do you call me good? No one is good but God the Father. The Bible also says there's no one righteous; NO NOT ONE!
That's a
Very good point.
God made up Christianity when
God made up Christianity when He created mankind and sent His Son to die for our sins. Mankind made up all the other religions, and even have done quite a nice job of helping re-invent Christianity!
My life is a miracle, for your information. Jesus speaks to His people audibly and distinctly in our hearts, but He is not a trick pony that doubters and scoffers can summons with their derision. He is the servant God who humbled Himself on the cross and died, though he was mocked and told, "IF you are the son of God, come off that cross!"
Jesus knows who He is and His sheep know who He is. He does not see the need to prove himself to those who do not wish to believe. In fact, He demands we seek him out with diligence and then we will find Him. He is not a prostitute looking for johns. He is the author, giver and sustainer of life. He is my savior and my redeemer.
I invite you to read of the real miracles he has done in my life by reading Our Story . I really think you will think it is a hoax because your skepticism will rewrite all the Lord has done for me - but then again, I need not prove to you what Christ has proven to me. It is your job to humble yourself and seek Him with YOUR whole heart, not mine.
May the Lord grant you eyes to see the wondrous mysteries of His love and present mercies. "It is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment." He is the Judge of the whole earth, and yes we shall be judged as we judge others, so let us judge righteous judgment, founded on the revealed word of God, and not the doctrines of devils taught by those who have erred.
It is our job to help prepare you for that judgment. That you may stand justified through the blood of Jesus Christ before a holy and righteous God who alone is love. I agree that many Mormons are good people, that is why I wish to share the truth with them that salvation is not found in the corrupted pagan teachings taught as Christianity in their temples. God loves them. I love them. If you love them, you would help them come to know their Creator's love for them as revealed in the authentic Word of God, the Bible - alone and uninterpreted or expanded, that they may stand and not fall in the day of eternal judgment.
Peace to you,
i would like to say for one
i would like to say for one that this religion is the most blasphemous religion i have ever heard of. Do you not know that the bible speaks of destructive heresies that will come forth in the book of 1Tim chapter 4, doctrines taught by demons? The bible also states that you can neither add nor remove from the bible. The morman book is an addition. How dare you mormons state that jesus is the spirit brother of lucifer? Do you not know that jesus is one one with God, so are you then saying God is brothers with his enemy. The book of ezekiel 28 talks about how lucifer was made, he was a guardian cherub who used to stand before the presence of God. God made lucifer, God is his creator, he rebelled against God and took a third of the angels down with him so says the book of revelations. Dont be deceived, there is only one God and His word. No one can add or subtract from Him. Mormons read the word of God with their interllect but those who are born of God read with the understanding of the spirit. As far as the bible states mormons are not christians but sons and daughters of the devil a doctrine taught by demons, your father. I bid you to repent, God loves all of us but hates sin and will not forgive those who lead the lost astray. Please read the bible carefully, not as a book.
Have you read Deut. 4:2
You are good at Saying what you have been told to say since you first stepped foot in (or were carried in) that church. You sure know a lot about that which you have not studied, and your smug approach reveals your weakness. I am, however happy to see that you have developed some understanding of our Lord Jesus Christ, and it is clear that He has touched your heart. Unfortunately you have, I am sure, been taught some form of sanctification, whether you recognize it as such or not, as you have handily succeeded in losing all of your humility and charity in claiming to know how another person, or people, "read the word of God". I do not care that you called them "demons", just ask them, they have been called worse. As for your personal study, try looking at the site that this is on where it says that "the vast majority of those people are entering hell". Pray to God through his Son Jesus Christ, my brother, and ask Him if He is sending the "vast majority" of His children to be with Lucifer. Then ask Him if He meant it 1332 pages earlier, (Deuteronomy 4:2), in the Bible than that of the book of The Revelation of St John the Divine when he said "Ye shall not add unto the word which I shall command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it"; and now ask yourself: "where in the scriptures have I read that God will send the vast majority of His children to hell?" Then go and ask your pastor what happens to someone who dies before they ever get the chance to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ. Ask him or her about the five points of Calvinism, and to which of these points their ministry ascribes, and then study them for yourself, and compare the two. In fact, go from there and compare your belief with that of the 3800 different denominations of Christianity. As far as your commentary on the Book of Mormon, please take note of those who have handed your Bible down to you. A closer look at the Bible will show you that the book itself tells you that you are missing at least 26 books that it mentions by name (remember the "diminish ought from it", and "if any man shall take away from the words"). I will help you with the names of some of these books: Nathan, Jasher, Shemaiah, Acts of Abijah, and Jehu. And now go and learn what the scriptures truly say by becoming an Arabist, student of Hebrew, Latin , and most especially Greek. Study the earliest manuscripts you can find, do not make any mistakes(because you are sanctified, chosen, and saved), then go and tell someone to repent. Do not forget that I love you, and that your Heavenly Father loves you. He is the Father of His "offspring", He does not select and "respect" any person: we choose him for He NEVER takes from you your free will to choose. You can give your agency away, but He, the Father of ALL creation, WILL NOT TAKE IT FROM YOU. P.S. Please ask your pastor one more thing for me. When did Lucifer, "son of the morning" (Isa. 14:12) lead one third of the angels(sic) away from God? Specifically, was this before or after Adam and Eve? Then ask him or her about their belief concerning a pre-existent state of the spirits of man and woman, not to mention: what exactly are angels? Are they related to us? Are they human? Or are they something else? Your Hebrew and Greek will help you and your pastor with this. Peace my brother (we are all brothers). Interesting how God calls Lucifer "son". I personally have two sons... they are brothers.