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Thu, 03/17/2011 - 13:07
what did Jesus mean when he said one can not patch a new cloth with an old one,and one can not pour a new wine into an old wine.this he said when asked why his disciples do not fast
Sun, 12/18/2011 - 04:46
#2
new wine in old bottles
this means theHolyGhost will not dwell in an unclean temple,after salvation,then santification of the Holy Ghost,then next the infilling of the HolyGhost(new wine) also the deciples didn;t fast,because you fast to get in touch with God,so God was already with them,
Thu, 03/17/2011 - 22:13
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what did Jesus mean when he said one can not patch a new cloth with an old one,and one can not pour a new wine into an old wine. this he said when asked why his disciples do not fast
I came up with two answers to your question.... I'm referring to Luke 5:33-39 and Mark 18-22.
In terms of the Patch/Wine skins
If I attempt to sew a fresh piece of cloth over a hole in my old blue jeans – the next time I wash the jeans the shrinking of the patch will tear the jeans. Fresh New Jeans would shrink with the Fresh New Patch.
When you bottle wine – you have to leave room for expansion as the fermentation process will cause the wine to expand and burst the old wine skin. (which had already been used) A new wineskin would expand with the new wine.
Jesus was preparing a New Testament Message which the old Testament Pharisees couldn't handle or accept – The wine is the Power of Holy Spirit being poured into the these new believers (wineskin or vessels) who would be willing to accept it.
(Eph 2:15; 4:24 Col 3:10)
In terms of Fasting (Fasting usually accompanies a period of repentance)
The Bible say's that Jesus is the Bridegroom.
In the day's of Jesus a wedding consisted of 7 day's of celebration which included daily feast and wine. it was a fun time that included music dancing and laughter (FYI – not a 7 day BBQ pork and beer style party-but sort of a ongoing family picnic or county fair).
In the Old Testament – When a Man of God or Prophet came to deliver a message of repentance – He and the people would have to go through a ceremonial cleansing which included fasting while dressed in gunny sacks (sackcloth) and would cover themselves in ashes. It signifies humility.
Isaiah 58:5,6; Psalms 35:13; Dan 9:3 Jonah 3:7&8
Hope this helps
God Bless
hf
Fri, 03/18/2011 - 22:38
#5
Fasting
Jesus is the bridegroom...
He was telling them that the old way of doing things. The Old Testament traditions were over. He wasn't saying it was now wrong to Fast. But that His Disciples (his friends) were free to follow him with out having to live within the strict codes and structures that John the Baptist followed. John the Baptist was an Old Testament Prophet who spoke to the Jews that the Christ was here.
Jesus Christ came but everyone expected Him and His followers to act like Old Testament Prophets and followers. (a life of prayer and fasting).
But Jesus IS the Bridegroom (and is the spoken about in the Old Testament) but nobody thought of Him like that. The New Church (you and I) are the Bride of Christ.
The Apostles were the Grooms men
The Pharisees and John The Baptist and the OT Prophets were the Old Wine Skins and Moses Laws (which they followed) was the Old Wine.
There were two Fast days during the week (Luke 18:12) which the Pharisees followed and this was probably one of them. It upset them to see these followers of Jesus (they thought he was also a Prophet like John the Baptist.) not fasting but were enjoying a supper with others.
Jesus was bringing them a New Way. So needed New Wine Skins. These were the Apostles and the Disciples and You.
Jesus was is the Bridegroom – and nobody fast when the Bridegroom is present.
The Holy Spirit is the New Wine and He needs to be poured into New Wine Skins.
Does that answer your question?
That was Matthew 9:14 – 17 and Mark Chapter 2:18-22 and also in Luke 5:33-39
We still fast – Jesus himself fasted and he spoke as though we were expected to fast as well. (Matt 6:16 - “When you fast”) I have just broken a fast and I'm preparing to fast again.
If your in good health and don't use medications or are on a strict diet I recommend fasting. Especially when you need some Spiritual cleaning. But pray before you do Fast. Ask the Lord to help you and guide you.
After reading some of your other posts – it seems this is something you feel very strongly about. You will go through a hunger time, but drink juice and water. And don't just fast food. But as you do fast, look for things that may be hindering your walk with the Lord. Before you do though pray with your pastor and you might need to let your parents or someone who is in your home with you know about it. So when your skipping the meals they are not concerned about you. Here are some bible verses – Isaiah 58:6; Dan 9:3; Matt 17:21; Mark 9:29; 1st Cor 7:5
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Jesus was talking about spiritual growth, maturity, and strength and how His disciples shouldn't be expected to, or even allowed to fast (to partake of the highest of spiritual activities), for more than one reason, being they were immature (spiritually) and they were also His attendants, at this most important of events, His marriage, an intimate relationship with all believers now just beginning. Soon with the celebration having ended, and He having traveled to His new home, His attendants will have matured (spiritually) and then they will be serious (fast).