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Christians who do not fear God can go to hell

Jesus warned us about the seriousness of sin when He said:

If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. (Matthew 5:29,30)

The Hebraic way of emphasizing something was not to use CAPS or bold text, but to repeat it. And Jesus repeats essentially the same thought here to his disciples. Jesus is strongly emphasizing, in bold, something that the false teachers of today do not even mention: SINFUL ACTS CAN LEAD YOU TO HELL.

This passage comes from the Sermon on the Mount, which Jesus addressed to the disciples who left the multitude and climbed the mountain to hear what He had to say. The context of the passage tells us this.

Mat 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him.
Mat 5:2 Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying:

It was disciples who came to Him to hear. Jesus was teaching disciples.

Friends, a sinful act can lead to a sinful habit. A sinful habit can lead to deception and estrangement from the presence of God. Not only CAN we repent of sinful acts, WE MUST REPENT of them if we wish to enter life.

The whole of the New Testament is in harmony with these thoughts. It is only by selective reading and hearing of the New Testament that we can avoid these conclusions which can strongly engender in us the fear of God.

I myself have sinned as a Christian in different ways, and by the grace of God have repented also. I have been tempted to be offended at Christ, but I don't want to live in sin, and go to hell. I do fear God. And I do want to keep enjoying the presence of God. I encourage you to have the same attitude.

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. - Jesus Christ. Matthew 10:28

I realise this kind of teaching is not something many Christians have been taught. This is regrettable. It is by Jesus' words that we will be judged at the end of the age, not by our theological conventions.

By God's grace I will return to this subject soon on this blog.

Comments

Final comments

Thanks again for your comment.

Just a couple things...

I honestly don't believe that a true believer can anywhere down the road come to be "an atheist, a witch, a Christ-hater, and a bitter opponent of the gospel" (A false convert could though.) Assurance of salvation isn't saying you can get away with sin, on the contrary, as God's children he holds us to a higher standard, he disciplines us on EARTH for our wrongdoings in order to keep us in obedience. Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows." We are no longer enemies who are punished with eternal damnation, but children who are disciplined out of love.

"Ourselves" is included in "life", the "present", and "anything else in all creation" (the last covers EVERYTHING else that wasn't covered in the previous)

Satan does prowl around looking for someone to devour. He has already lost our soul to Jesus (If we have been born again), so his goal is to render us ineffective for the kingdom of God, whether by deceit, placing doubt, or some other form of attack.
If you aren't being obedient to God, Satan will reek havoc in our lives.

Thank you again for taking the time to respond to my comments and questions, I've learned a lot. I guess we will have to agree to disagree, both sides of the discussion can present pretty weighty evidence to support their view. Please pray for me that I will receive wisdom to see and be confident in the truth, I will also pray for you. God bless.

One thing we do agree on is that living in obedience is vital to relationship with Christ.

"Indeed, if we consider the unblushing promises of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that Our Lord finds our desires, not too strong, but too weak. We are halfhearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased."
-C.S. Lewis

Your brother in Christ,
Jared Grove

thankyou for clarifying your position...

If i understand what you believe it is this (please correct me if I'm wrong)... a certain sin or sins can't keep you from salvation, but rather if you make a conscious choice to live a lifestyle of sin even after knowing the truth of Christ then you will lose your salvation.

In Heb 10:26 when it says "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth..."
I would argue that receiving the knowledge of the truth is not the same as being saved. Many have heard the truth and have rejected it, like those in the passage. I understand that he was writing to a church of believer's, but it is possible and I'd even say likely that some of the people in the church hadn't received Christ as their Lord and Savior yet and the passage is warning them that just knowing the truth isn't enough. Please understand that I'm not stating these things as facts, I'm just trying to come to a better understanding of my position in Christ. If you think something I've said is totally out of line please let me know with the love of christ :)

Here are some verses i have found on the assurance of salvation (because ultimately what I think doesn't matter, but what God has to say does.)

Romans 8:38-39: "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

If nothing can separate us from the love of Christ doesn't that include ourselves?

1 John 5:13: I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

John is using the word "have" in the present tense, meaning the moment we die to sin and are born in Christ eternal life has begun. If we receive eternal life the moment we are saved how long does that last? Eternal life is eternal, if its possible to lose eternal life then its possible to have ETERNAL life for only a period of time. (which the very name implies is impossible)

Thank you so much for your comments, I've really enjoyed taking a deeper look into this topic. Please continue to post any thoughts or concerns you have. Great Job with the website Michael, I think it's great that you take the time to do this.

Assurance of salvation and what those Scriptures mean

Hi Grover,

Please read my article here as this will help me to avoid rewriting too many thoughts.

Many of the issues you raised are addressed there.

One can say, "Well these people who professed Christ but ended up serving sin were never really born again in the first place". It sounds good, but they were also probably the same people to whom 1 John 5:13 was quoted assuring them that they could never lose their salvation!

What are "these things" referred to in 1 John 5:13 that John writes in his first epistle by which people may KNOW that they have eternal life? Is it the verse itself, a few verses that precede it, or the whole letter? 1 John is really one of the most severe letters in the New Testament. It says that the one practicing righteousness is righteous, the one not practicing righteousness is of the devil (1 John 3). It says that if we say we know Him and do not obey His commandments we deceive ourselves (1 John 2). Many other strong things it says, things which could easily be used to DESTROY the false assurance of salvation that many have today.

Nothing can separate us from the love of God, except ourselves. Paul should have mentioned "ourselves" in that long list if he meant us to understand that, since it is by far the most critical issue. The passage is talking about some external thing acting on us to force us away from God. No such thing exists. We choose. If we don't want God and His ways, will He really force us to be with Him? If God is like that, why does He not just force everyone both to be with Him AND to be perfect? That is why the Bible continually warns us that Satan is prowling around seeking whom he may DEVOUR. The only SAFE place is a place of obedience to God. We are empowered to obey God through trust, through receiving His love, His Spirit, His Word and by being courageous in God. The fearful and unbelieving will end up in hell, according to Revelation 21:8.

Please read more on the site. Its only a recent abberation in modern theology which suggests that you can serve the world, the flesh and the devil as a born again Christian and still be right with God by faith.

Have a read of anything written before 1930 from evangelicals and I believe you will see that few would espouse any other thing.

Can someone lose their salvation?

Hi grover, glad you brought this up. There have been quite a lot of supernatural testimonies where people have been made aware that had they died at a certain time, they would have been lost, though they formerly were saved. Its also consistent with a full view of Scripture.

Its not consistent with some people's theology. I know that.

It is not a question of adding works to Jesus' work in order to be saved. It is a question of taking Hebrews 10:26-31 and many other passages like it seriously. What does that Scripture mean to you? Remember it was written to church going spirit filled Christians.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord. And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Who is this talking to? It is talking to "HIS PEOPLE", "WE" and those who were sanctified by the blood of Jesus.

God has laid out the conditions whereby we may be saved. Keeping these conditions does not earn us salvation, it merely proves that we are actually saying YES to God and NO to the whole system of rebellion against the divine will.

Paul was saved and taught he could become lost....

1Co 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
1Co 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Was Paul saved?
Was he saying he could lose it?

Yes, to both. Whether we like to think this is true or not, facts are facts. We cannot escape the clarity of these verses, nor explain them away. Why would we wish to? Let's be good soldiers and fight the good fight with confidence, not fear. Those who do not fear the reality of slipping away into hardness of heart are most likely to do just that.

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Tim

www.myhealingcommunity.com/forum
www.perfectinglove.com

disagree

I have to disagree with the idea that someone who has been saved can sin enough so that he would go to hell. I do realize there are many people who claim to be Christians and their sinful lifestyles can be an indicator of who their true master is. But if someone has truly been saved and then at some point in their life they fall into sin are you saying that at that point if they died they would go to hell? If that is what you are saying, then wouldn't that be trying to add works to what Jesus has done through the cross. it isn't grace by faith and works, but grace by faith without works so that no man can boast. please post your thoughts. thanks