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666,What does this number signify and how do we recieve it
Thu, 05/21/2009 - 11:54
It is of paramount importance for us Christians to perfectly understand this number because the Bible categorically states that anyone that receives this number shall partake in Gods wrath(Rev 14:9-10)
God is Spirit
God is spirit and we are flesh so we cannot understand what he says without his guidance(John 4:24).
In order to better understand this number we have to stop using our logic to decipher it and let Gods spirit reveal it to us.If You notice in Rev 13:18 The bible says:"Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast."That means he that doesn't have understanding(and this understanding comes from God)cannot understand this number. 2 Corinthians 3:6 says
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.Romans 7:6 also says :"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."
These verses are trying to tell us that in order to understand Gods words perfectly we need to have a spiritual understanding of them and not a logical understanding.The Jews used logical understanding to try to interpret Elijah's prophesied return and that was why they didn't recognize him when he came(Mark 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.)
-John 7: 27:"Howbeit we know this man whence he is: but when Christ cometh, no man knoweth whence he is".
The Jews also didnt recognize Jesus as the Messiah because they tried to interpret his coming based on logic and till date judaists still expect the messiah(John 5:43:"I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. "(Notice it says come in his own name.The beast doesnt bear Gods name but its own name (rev13:17) So they await the man with the " beast image" not Gods image)
Understanding what the number means:
In order for us to have a proper understanding of This number we need to be spiritual. God didn't make us to have a physical and carnal understanding, Mans fall did.
God always speaks in spiritual terms as we see in 1 sam 16: 7 "But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart".Man is more interested in the outer meaning and appearance of things.God is more interested in the inner meaning and appearance of things
What does the number of the beast mean:
Notice that the bible says in rev 13:18 that ' it is the number of a man'; This means that the number 666 is a number borne by man(not a single man but carnal humanity in general).Lets look carefully at the places that the number 6 and 666 occur in the bible to have a better understanding of what the number means
-If You read Genesis chapter one You will realize that man was created on the 6th day and on that 6th day he was given dominion over Gods creation so 6 is the number of Man in control.
-God commanded man to work for 6 days and rest on the 7th day in the book of exodus so 6 is the number of mans works and 7 the number of Gods rest resting from the rebellious works of our hands and submitting to God.
Now if 6 is the number of man who governs and 7 is the man submitted to God and doing Gods works(in his rest read Hebrews 4) it means man is incomplete without Gods spirit living in him(col 2:10: And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power)We are only complete in God so 6 is the number of an incomplete man.
Hence if man is in control of his life (1st 6), it means he hasnt submitted to God and is rebellious(2nd 6)and is therefore incomplete and doesn't bear Gods image(3rd 6)
666 Is the number of beasts name:
Lets take notice of the fact that the Bible calls the mark of the beast 'the number of his name'(rev 13:17).For us to properly understand this,We have to understand what a name represents.
What is a name:
A name is like an identification something unique that we identify someone with.Parents usually name their children as a means of identification.
To understand what a name means in light of the Bible light let us read rev 14:1 :"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."
The Bible says here that the Lambs (Jesus)fathers names was written on the foreheads of the saints(The forehead isnt the physical forehead it is the mind)What does this mean.Having Gods name written in their mind means they were identified with him they thought like him they bore his image.and just like a father 'names' a child God gives his children an identity, an image.The adoption of a new name and hence a new identity is also illustrated in marriage,When a man gets married to a woman the woman shares the same last name with him.This shows the oneness they both share they both become one body and soul and she loses her former identity in him.
The beast name therefore means its image, its mind. If the number of its name is 666 and 666 means man in control,unsubmissive,rebellious and incomplete it goes to show You what the beast represents, It is a godless unsubmissive and rebellious civilization that seeks to make humanity think like it and bear its image. Anyone who refuses to bear its image and conform to it is destroyed (rev 13:15-17And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
And he causeth all(Global requirement), both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads, And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name)
Here You see that anyone who doesn't accept this name is destroyed.
Symbolism of the right hand and forehead:
I have explained to You what the forehead means spiritually.I said it means the mind.It symbolizes the mind, thought-life and philosophy of a person.
In order to understand what the right hand means lets check the bible for verses with "right hand" Psalm 110:1:"The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at "My" right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool". The right hand here means the place of authority,the place of rule.It indicates Gods deeds and actions.It symbolizes the power and authority Jesus has to do Gods will on earth.Notice Jesus sits at his "Fathers" right hand.This shows that he submits to his fathers Authority and hence is empowered to do his Fathers will.Meanwhile,The second beast requires that humanity recieve the "mark"in "their" right hand.(a mark is something that identifies something so when we have this mark we show we are for the beast) This symbolizes the fact that he requires them to live by their own authority and be empowered to do whatever the beast deems to be fit.I.e He makes humanity rely on their deeds and actions and seeks to eradicate reliance on God.
When the Bible says they shall receive the mark in "their" right hand it means that when they have this number they shall control and have authority over their own actions and deeds instead of submitting to Gods control and rulership:Rebellion
What does the Bible mean by "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name'?
Buying means exchanging money or valuables for goods while selling means exchanging goods and valuables for money or other valuables.So what does the Bible mean when it says that no man shall buy and sell?It means if You refuse to compromise If You refuse to be conformed to the world You would not have a part in the world system.If You rebel against the educational systems You cant have a certificate.If You do not compromise Your standards at work You cant function in the system.If You refuse to be promiscuous society labels You as being prude or infertile.
For example, a Christian counselor in the uk called Gary McFarlane lost his job at a branch of Relate after telling his manager that the Bible forbade homosexual activity and it was his duty to follow this it is claimed. for full story read(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/3539422/Christi...)On the set of greys anatomy Isaiah Washington lost his role simply because he used a derogatory epithet toward co-star T. R. Knight and his sexuality. (T.R Knight was gay)Countless of Christians were murdered simply because they didn't renounce God .All the apostles were persecuted because they would never renounce God and conform to the world.(1 Timothy 4:10:For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, specially of those that believe.)If the Apostles had chosen to compromise the truth they would have saved their lives in the system and gotten the approval of men but they would have been out of favor with God (Luke 16: 15And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
People have assumed that, because verse 18(of rev 13) says that the number 666 is the number of a man, this number can only be attached to a single individual. The reality is that in the Greek language, "the number of a man" can also mean "a human number" or "a number of humanity".
The number is associated with the Beast's system of religion and government. The number 666 could very well represent the apex of human perfection, because under the leadership of the Antichrist/Beast, the magnificent religious, governmental, and economic system of the beast alliance of nations will appear to be the best system ever devised.
In the study of the numerical symbolism of the Bible, the number 6 is clearly associated with Mankind or humanity; therefore, the number 666 appears to be the number of the collective consciousness and morality of humanity. (In other words the standards and morals the world lives by and requires humanity to live by).
We bear the number 666 when we seek to see with our own eyes (gen 3:5-6) and not with God's eye(Note that eye here means understanding).Seeing with Gods eye is when we see the things that he wants us to see(seeing his glory instead of our "nakedness"(Read Gen 2:25, Psalm 32:8,John 9:41).
Seeing with our own eyes means seeing the things satan wants us to see(ourselves and what we can do without God Read Gen 3:6).Whenever we see with our own eyes,we exalt the self , we ignore the need for God,We are not in Gods rest,We govern our own lives , are incomplete and hence bear the forbidden number.
Because God the Father allows an evil global system to exist before his Son's return, the number 666 could very well be viewed in the context of the entire religious, economic, and governmental system that is controlled by the Antichrist Spirit (Satan)(2.Thes 2:4).
In conclusion the number 666 isn't a physical number don't expect a government to arise that will issue this number on the right hand and forehead or underneath the skin.Even if that happened 98% of people will never receive it.(and the Bible claims the whole world worshiped the beast)Its a spiritual number and majority of the world today possess it.
Way of escape:
Submission to God rejection of the world(serpent) way of thinking(materialism,immorality and carnality )and non conformity to the worlds serpent image(Romans 12:2)are the only way to escape Gods wrath.Shedrach Meschach and Abednego preferred to be placed in a fiery furnace of fire than to bow down to the satanic Babylonian image established by Nebuchadnezzar.Are You read to do the same?
Remember this: None of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. (Dan 12:10).Unless God opens our eyes We will never fully understand the mysteries of God and hence never get to understand his words(Prov28:5).
Only few people will ever get to realize the things I write here and then it might be too late.
Wake up and be reconciled with Your Maker.Let him rule Your heart.He bought You with a price(1 cor 6:19,20)You are not Your own You are not free to live as You like submit to Your Maker
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Fri, 06/12/2009 - 04:47
#2
Re: 666 again 4 the 1st time
Hi Arthur
Your Hypothesis, concerning the number 666, has for it's foundation, the Presupposition, that all of this understanding can, and will only involve the unfolding events of the future.
Your Presupposition, has to be proved first, in order for your Hypothesis to gain the legs it needs to stand.
JIM
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 13:03
#3
666 Unplugged....
Hi Jim,
I believe Arthur has said what he wants on this topic and that is it. I have blocked his recent replies because they are more of the same. If anyone wants to clear up their personal questions with him, you are free to look him up from the information he has posted.
I am recommending that we leave this topic alone as it appears all that can be said has been said and now it will just be a downhill ride for all. He has come on as an authority, not one under authority to my oversight on these forums. I am granting that his posts remain to this point because he posted it as a personal blog. Regarding this topic that he began, I am letting it stand for people's review, but recommend no further discussion on these boards. You can click his name in blue and contact him privately if you like.
If claims continue to be made and people treated as 'you either learn what I am saying or you simply aren't operating in truth' then further steps may be taken.
Blessings and Peace,
Timothy
Sat, 06/13/2009 - 23:35
#4
Timothy- the dialog was very unfortunate
Hi Timothy-
The discussion between yourself and Arthur was very inappropriate- it makes me wonder about the many references to love- even tough love is first by example, lest we fall into a snare.
We should all be careful that we don't fall foul of: "by the measure used it will be measured back" (Mt 7:2)
I will follow this up in a posting.
Peer
Sun, 06/14/2009 - 01:37
#6
The sign of the Prophet Jonah
Bro Nadir ,
To my mind the sign of the prophet Jonah is not the undiluted word of God.
It is Jonah being in the belly of the fish for 3 days(as good as dead) , and then coming back to the living world.
When Jesus spoke of this , it meant that He would be dead , ...and after 3 days , ...rise again to life.
And this sign came to pass , when Jesus rose again.
Feel free to correct me if you think otherwise.
In the Lord
Vikki
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 20:35
#7
Arthur 2 issues
Hi Arthur:
Look, I don't want an argument from you. If you have something to teach, then teach it.
I have asked you for information that you seem to possess.
These are the two issues I have.
1.) WHEN will these things you are espousing come to pass?
2.) WHERE in scripture can we find that it says these things are in "OUR" future?
In short back up the claims you have made, with scripture that supports them. And that's all I want.
If you can't then forget trying to say anything in the future.
JIM
Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:09
#8
Greetings Arthur,
1 Timothy
Greetings Arthur,
1 Timothy 4:1 says, "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"
I believe you are operating in the spiritual realm, but the realm is not of God. You are resisting "proof" and berating our brother for seeking proof.
1 John 4:1 says, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
Brother Jim is walking in the first part of that by trying the spirits, but your replies to him have made it obvious you are in peril of fulfilling the second half of being a false prophet.
All on this board are enjoined to follow Paul's injunction to "prove ALL things, hold fast that which is good." When you state, "I was presenting Gods counsel to the spiritual discerning minds to discern not for the academic curious minds who look for facts and proof," and then you rail on our brother by using verses to implicate those who seek proof as "an evil and adulterous generation," you have stepped outside the bonds of the fellowship of believers who have not checked their brains at the door and gone after every wind of doctrine.
Ephesians 4:14-15 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:"
When you say you are presenting the truth of God's Word, but cannot use the Word of God and intelligent discussion of it, no one is bound to believe you simply because you feel inspired. When deception comes, all manner of good feelings and the sense of having a great insight abound. It is only by comparing that revelation with the written Word, that we have the ability to discern whether it is good or evil.
Your doctrine, presented as truth, has failed to meet basic testing. As a shepherd, I admonish you to repent and reject the false doctrine you have embraced and are espousing. I also warn people to not give place to it.
I spent half the night two nights ago refuting your last post to me point by point, but have not posted it amid assuming new responsibilities I was not expecting to at the time. I will do so at the end of this post, for the record.
Shalom,
Timothy
The following is a point by point reply to Nadir47's post to me, my responses are in bold . . .
Hi Tim,
It is definitely not demeaning to put someone right who is in error.As You are aware lots of people read these forums and misleading teachings are bound to lead people astray.As You can see from the above verses Jesus and His saints publicly and harshly repudiated people who were ignorant or living in error so it is not wrong to repudiate as long as it is done in the spirit of truth and love.Or are You trying to suggest Jesus,Paul and Stephen were arrogant?
Thanks for giving me liberty to set you straight. To answer your question, No, I am suggesting that you are arrogant. The question revolves around whether you were putting "someone right who is in error."
I brought points to the discussion that showed where you were wrong in your interpretation of scripture and applying it out of context to prove points it was not addressing. With that in mind, I did not see you operating out of a spirit of truth, which also opened the door to questioning if it was a spirit of love. You were rebuking a brother as though his points were so out of line with scripture that he needed to be brought up short..
It is very wrong for You to conclude that i was implying that i was smart and he was dumb because i said he was ignorant.I was only being truthful.If You read the post very well You would have noticed that i wrote that he didn't have to agree with me and that i knew he was striving to know God.The Bible tells us not to judge after the flesh but to judge righteous judgment so it is wrong for You to conclude that i was indirectly calling him dumb.
The premise for saying someone is ignorant is rooted in 1) You know a fact, and 2) They do not. If you were obviously right, then I would not have had as much an issue with your use of the word "ignorant". I do apologize in that I could have left the word "dumb" out. More accurately I would say to you that your use of the word ignorant says, 1) I am smart, and 2) you are not. It is saying I have the truth on this and you do not.
When we use those terms it is best for us to back them up thoroughly. On a fellowship board among believers I would argue it is counter productive to love and relationship to tell someone they are ignorant. Why would we do that? If I am trying to instruct, why would I throw a phrase out there that would shift the focus off the topic and onto a personal level? Why not simply prove my point and let the other person appear as they may? It comes off as more ego than love.
You claim mature Christians are able to discern between good and evil Excuse me, it is the writer to the Hebrews who makes that claim. I just took it at face value and passed it along. "Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Now what do You use to discern Good and Evil?Hebrews 5:12-14 which You quoted says the strong meat of Gods Word. Heb 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."
It does not say "the strong meat of God's Word, it implies" the word of righteousness". This in its Hebrew word for "word" is "logos", which is the spoken word, or thought - not the written Word of God. The writer is saying "I need to teach you something, but you do not have the ability to process what I need to tell you because you have not matured by exercising your senses to discern good and evil. It is in the practical application of God's Word in our daily lives that we grow in discernment. When that discernment has come, we are able to rightly divide teachings and digest them. The practical application of God's Word is walking in love with God and with each other. Upon the two great commandments hang ALL the law and the PROPHETS. The whole purpose of the Bible is to get us to walk in love! When we walk in love, we have fellowship with the Father and we can ask for wisdom and receive it liberally. Discernment is also a gift of the Holy Spirit.
Paul says, "though I know all mysteries, and have all knowledge, and have not charity, it profits me NOTHING."
Now when You don't strive to understand the hard to understand parts of(strong meat)Gods word then how do You discern what is good from what is evil? When I strive to understand parts of God's Word I generally keep my nose in the Bible and use a concordance. I avoid commentaries because I am trying to hear from God, not men who have heard from God, or claim to have. I strive to obey God's law and ask for understanding when needed. Psalm 111:10, "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever." Again, what are His commandments? LOVE.
How do You identify Satan and God when You do not even know God and You are fooled to accept satan as ideal? Please try to quote the whole context of a verse not just a portion of it. There you go being patronizing.... practice what you teach please. The whole context proves my point.
Also Romans 12:2 says: "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God".
The only way to understand what is good acceptable and perfect in Gods sight is when our minds are renewed.This transforms us from being earthly minded to become heavenly(spiritually) minded.It is only when our minds are renewed by God that we can bear his image and understand what is acceptable and perfect in his sight.
Im glad You said that it was "Your understanding of the verse that You quoted"(Dan 12:4)You see humanity has a choice to believe whatever they want to believe in the same way Eve had a choice to believe the lies of the serpent in the garden or to believe the truth of the living God.You have the right to believe all Your life that the sky is green but it doesn't change the fact that it is blue. In the same way we can choose to believe whatever we like and make our own reality but that doesn't change the reality.
Please prove your point. You are berating me and yet you have offered ZERO proof for your conclusion.... Daniel 12:4 is written in the same manner that "as it was in the days of Noah" was written. It is written to show the level of decadence in the world leading up to the Savior's coming. It is not written as a statement of how wonderful the world will be when Jesus returns. For your interpretation to be true, Daniel 12:4 would be contradictory to the passage of "as in the days of Noah." Jesus clearly says no one will know and you are saying the wise will.
Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Jesus is saying focus on doing the work you are called to do and do not become preoccupied with the cares of this world. He is saying, you will not know the hour until it comes. Notice one is taken in the field, one is grinding. Even the chosen ones did not know when He was coming. They were not "on their knees," or "studying all the hard passages," they were doing their daily lives before the Lord.
Moving to and fro as used in daniel 12 definitely doesnt refer to traveling. Why not? What is your proof for that statement? When one takes Daniel 12:4 at face value and it most certainly does refer to travel. If you want to say it means something else, then you have to at least give me a reason, other than "I said so," to accept your point. Even if man could travel to saturn or the sun it doesnt increase or decrease the knowledge of God. You are still in your paradigm. The point is not the knowledge of God, it is the fund of total knowledge mankind is accumulating. Never before has there been this massive hyperacceleration of knowledge. Unless Gods spirit moves us our traveling is useless. Moving to and fro refers to diligence seeking to know facts from various sources. You just made an assumption. You have zero proof for that conclusion and yet you are adament about it. How many sources do you need? Is the Bible not enough? Is God not enough? What other sources do you recommend?
- 1 tim 6:20-21:"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and "oppositions of science" falsely so called:Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
- 2 cor 4:18:While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Also The knowledge referred to in the verse has nothing to do with the knowledge of Science.The knowledge of God is found in Christ not in the findings of Einstein or newton.That is why the Bible advised us in the verse above not to embrace the oppositions of science.Science deals with what we can see.Christianity deals with the things that are not seen(2 cor 4:18)so they both are the opposite of each other. I am losing the point here. If we are looking at things not seen, then why are we supposedly in your view, to run to and fro to seek them out from "various sources? You interpret Daniel as saying the knowledge of God will increase by our running to and fro seeking after it. If we agree with 2 Cor. 4:18 that we are to look at things not seen, then why are those running to and fro looking for things seen viewed in your mind as being Godly? Your argument is imploding on itself with the scriptures you are quoting.
Well its a pity that You feel perfection is only about love. Perfection is predominantly about love, not only. Knowledge plays are part in it, and I agree with your illustration that follows, but knowledge is only a part. You have stated that we will have perfect knowledge. That is a lie that leads people down a path of pride and vanity. Because the danger of that lie is great, I have chosen to challenge it openly. The Bible says that by his knowledge(not his love )shall the just be delivered.Love is the greatest gift true but You cant love someone You don't know. No right thinking woman loves a man that she doesn't know well enough.So in order to love God You must want to know Him and be like him.And the Bible also says that if we love him we should keep his commandments so if You love God You would take his advise and be spiritually discerning. Not carnally stubborn. Here you are patronizing. You are vaunting yourself, at my expense and are thus not walking in love with me. I am quite discerning, thank you. I am not writing these things simply to be contrary to you. I am writing them to be true to the Word of God. What makes you think I am being carnal in this?
The Bible says that in love all the commandments are fulfilled.So if You claim to love God then do not be carnal because that is his commandment .I repeat this isn't about me being right or wrong or You being right or wrong.Its about the truth.Its about God. AMEN! and allowing his will to come to pass
Also Your claim that "Paul was clearly saying it is not given to us in this dispensation to know all things" is misleading.The same Paul who You quote was the one that said in Eph 4:11-13:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto "a perfect man", unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.
So the aim of giving the church pastors prophets etc is for the perfecting of the church and it is going to be in this dispensation.That is why the Bible said "till we all come"Also "the knowledge of the Son of God" as used in the verse means we shall all (Christians who obey God) come to a full understanding of Jesus at the appointed time And that my friend is the kicker. Just when is the "appointed time"? You believe the appointed time is prior to the Lord's return. I take Paul's statement of "then we shall see face to face" as meaning we will know all things when the Lord returns and we are face to face with Him.
Let's put this in context by looking at Ephesians 4:11-15
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
I believe your arguments are incomplete and contradictory. As a mature believer I am not going to be tossed to and fro by your unsupported assertions, nor the arrogance that belittles those who hold a differing view. The perfecting of the saint is not referring to them knowing everything. That does not make one perfect. It makes them knowledgable. Again, the verses on being perfect are in context verses speaking of love. Paul says, "though I know all mysteries and have all knowledge, and have not charity, it profits me nothing. I am a sounding brass. That coupled with Ephesians 4 shows us that the perfecting of the saints has more to do with learning what love is and how to walk in it, than it does about having special understanding of end time events. Paul says in 1Corinthians 13:9, For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
The perfecting of the saints has nothing to do with knowing all mysteries and having all knowledge. These things are only in part and cannot be fully known until that which is perfect is come. This is future tense, and when it comes, the knowledge and prophecies will be done away. Your interpretation contradicts this because if that which is perfect refers to perfect understanding, knowledge and prophecies, then what is the point? We throw it out as soon as we receive it?
The fruit of your argument is striving. Striving to come to definitive conclusions that are not there, and then drawing a line between you and other believers who do not agree. You have labelled me, for example of this fruit, as "carnal" in my motive. You have labelled Jim as "ignorant" of the truths you supposed were self evident, yet unsubstantiated. Where strife is all manner of evil abounds.
The fruit of believing we can know all things is that it comes coupled with an understanding that we "should" know all things. If we are not seeking after all the mysteries, we are lacking in our zeal for God, because as you state, "if we love Him we will want to know Him." When this coupling takes place, I have a drivenness to pursue those mysteries and then a duty to proclaim them, even if God's Word hasn't really proclaimed them. This set me at odds with those who take God at His Word and we have division in the body.
Another fruit is pride. Once we have it all figured out we tend to look down upon those who have not figured it out.
The Bible does not say we can know all things pertaining to the second coming of Jesus Christ. It is not a measure of our perfection. If my point is not clear enough to you, I have done my best and will leave the discussion at that.
Wed, 06/10/2009 - 20:47
#9
Re -666
sprhyt7
Please see this link if you would like to know more :
http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-ImageToTheBeast.html
It has a good approach, but one must also be on his guard and bring back everything to God so as to have His enlightenment and discernment.
I have other links also...but I do not know if everybody is prepared to know how things are in this world of doom. Because if we are not strong enough in our Faith,a lot of the realities of this world of evil is very scary.
A spiritual warfare is on and we , as Christians must be prepared for it, and know where and how to stand.
God Bless
Wed, 06/10/2009 - 20:42
#10
666 Again 4 the first time
nadir47 ---- do you have a name?
Your statement is
"Moving to and fro refers to diligence seeking to know facts from various sources."
It means to seek out knowledge for knowledge sake. Not for the sake of learning anything about God.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
You say:
This isn't about me being right or wrong or You being right or wrong.Its about the truth.
Ok then speak:
You have the floor, we want to hear all of your understanding on (666). But there is a stipulation, present it to us in the same way, that a lawyer in a court would do to a jury, because we will Judge your understanding, whether it has merit.
We all want to learn, so lay it all out for us, but in a cohesive way, we want the facts, not long narrative.
And for a change lets take it in small doses, we all understand you have this whole thing.
You say that you have something for the body, well the body is saying show it to us !
JIM
Tue, 06/09/2009 - 20:35
#12
Re: 666 no more
nadir47
This is a very good place to begin.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
"The people in Noah's time were ignorant of the fact that God was going to destroy the earth with a flood. Only Noah was aware and that was why he prepared."
Noah and his sons built on the Arc for 120 yrs. Unless he built it in his garage where nobody could see it for all of that time, EVERYONE knew what he was doing!
He told them it was going to rain, flood, and that everything was going to be destroyed.
They just did not believe him. They Had 'NO" Faith.
Our preaching the message of salvation to the world is the equivalent. Jesus is the Arc we preach, that will save sinners from the things coming upon the earth.
God gave Noah fair warning when things were going to happen.
"And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation."
I have heard these same things for the last 40 yrs. from all of the major Evangelists of our time, making time lines, graphs, and predictions.
We are the same as Noah, God will give "US" fair warning, opening our eyes to the sings of the times.
Not by our trying to figure it out years before the time has arrived.
Those of us that are Christ's at His returning, will have our bags already packed, tickets in hand waiting to go through customs.
To paraphrase what Jesus said to the young ruler, "go, take all that you have written, put it in a drawer locking it, and come follow me."
Even when we seek what we may deem to be truth, we can make it our god. We have to be able to walk away from those things that do not edify.
JIM
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 20:04
#15
666 More Yet
To those who have eyes to see and ears to hear
I recently posted a short blog on 666. Of cours to fully cover such a deep subject one would have to write a book. This can not be done here however .
One has said: 666 can't be Jesus because He would not have us to seek evil. Of course He wouldn't, that would be contrary to His whole purpose for mankind. This does not mean however, that He can not appear as an evil form if He so chose to!
OOOOH, many will say at this. But read on.Let us consider what took place from God in the Old Testament ( The early part of the Old Testament ).
Jdg 9:22 When Abimelech had reigned three years over Israel,
Jdg 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:
Sa 16:13-15 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah. But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.
1Sa 18:9-10 And Saul eyed David from that day and forward. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.
1Sa 19:8-9 And there was war again: and David went out, and fought with the Philistines, and slew them with a great slaughter; and they fled from him. And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.
Job 1:9-12 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
Now it should be very apparent from these verses that God is sovereign in all matters; even the ones concerning evil .If He were not Christ could not have accomplished what He has for spiritual salvation of mankind !
So then, in Revelation the Beast with the numerical number of 666 which we had covered in an earlier blog, could very well be Jesus, and is !
Concerning this number in Revelation the directive is this: Let him who has wisdom calculate the number of the beast. To calculate indicates a numerical calculation, not a mental thought. The calculation is one that deals with the numerical number 666; which is connected to the Gematria of the Greek alphabet. Each letter has numerical values; 666 being one of combination of a word value. It IS NOT Ceaser !
We will not pursue this any deeper here. For the ones who are really seeking God spiritual truth this should provide a path for them.
Blessings in Christ
DeepSeeker
Mon, 06/08/2009 - 20:55
#16
The appeal to spiritual pride
The appeal to spiritual pride can be seen all over "Deepseeker's" posts. He starts this one with "To those who have eyes to see and ears to hear". In other words, "to you elite ones, to you superior ones who are not satisfied with the plain meaning of the text". Its an appeal to spiritual pride.
Further, consider "We will not pursue this any deeper here. For the ones who are really seeking God spiritual truth this should provide a path for them."
The implications in this statement are interesting. The use of the word "We" here is very pompous for a start. The implication is that Deepseeker's writings "provide a path". I would say it is a pathway to HELL. It is further implied that only if you are REALLY seeking "God spiritual truth" [sic] will you see the path of wisdom that Deepseeker is hinting at - the implication being that most of his readers are not. In other words, "you are on the outside now, but by deeply seeking the truth in my writings, you can join me in the inner circle of enlightened ones". More appeal to spiritual pride.
I would not be surprised if "Deepseeker" is in fact some kind of gnostic - those ones who believe they have a special spark of enlightenment not available to the common people. In Gnosticism, there is a belief that the God of the Bible who made the material universe is in fact a lower deity, an evil demiurge, and the task for the gnostic is to rise above all that and get to the real God that is above the Creator of this "evil" material universe. If Deepseeker is not gnostic, certainly elements of his philosophy are very akin to gnosticism.
There is a verse in the Bible which says "the pride of your heart has deceived you". Spiritual pride leads to deception.
I have decided to ban Deepseeker from participating on this forum and urge readers not to be taken in by his philosophies and appeals to spiritual pride.
Mon, 06/08/2009 - 20:57
#18
Re: 666 NO MORE !
All of the mysteries we could seek to know from The Revelation of John, we will never learn until they happen, that is what puts them into the category of prophesy.
Therefore all of this seeking is not for knowledge. The fact we CANNOT ever know these things, our assumptions, opinions only gender strife's, cause division, this is not of God.
Jesus Himself said.
Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Proverbs 12:1
Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.
Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of WISDOM and the KNOWLEDGE of the holy is UNDERSTANDING.
Proverbs 2:3,5,6
Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
Proverbs 4:5-9
Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.
Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.
Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.
She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.
We are to be seeking those things that would make for a TREASURE.
KNOWLEDGE,UNDERSTANDING,WISDOM
JIM
Wed, 06/10/2009 - 13:19
#19
Re: 666 no more
Nadir47, Please allow me to bring a point of instruction in God's Word on the topic of knowing all things. I will quote you so that we may have a clear path in this discussion.
I believe it is not Jim's but your posts that display ignorance of God and His words.* I will take this very paragraph to explain what I mean.
First Point, When discussing a point, I try to keep the focus on the topic, and not make statements of a personal nature. "You show ignorance . . ." is a demeaning term on a public forum. It says "I am smart and you are dumb" This is not what humility would demand of us.
Second Point You use Proverb 28:5, "Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things." The context of this is 'judgment'. Evil men have no basis for sound judgment because they cannot discern good from evil, let alone comprehend a judgment made against evil. They that seek the Lord have the ability to discern all things. Hebrews 5:12-14 says mature Christians are those who are able to discern good from evil.
However, from the conclusion you drew of this verse, one may gather that Proverbs 28:5 means the wise understand calculus and quantum physics and how such as well? It means they will know how to build a space shuttle? They know how electricity works? To take that word "all" and apply it universally is not sound. The context places it in matters of judgment, not physics, quantum physics, or even prophecy.
Third Point When Daniel 12:4 says "Knowledge shall be increased," The word for knowledge is "da'ath" and refers to cunning. This word comes from Yada. Strong's shows it as "yaw-dah' A primitive root; to know (properly to ascertain by seeing);" and continues with its definition.
My understanding of this verse is that it is a description of our times. Travel around the globe (never before possible) is happening at a frenetic pace. The quest for knowledge, via science, not prophetic seekers, is also exploding and our world fund of knowledge has been DOUBLING every generation or so. These things were not possible until these last days, and are a sign of the last days. (ironic that I am using my understanding of prophecy to disagree with you on the fact that not all prophecy is to be understood, :-))
Running to and fro is not an act of diligence, as you interpreted it. Contrary. It is an act of scattering. A diligent person is focused and has but one source. The Lord. He dwells in one place, has one written Word, and tells us not to say "let us go up to heaven to find him, or go across the sea, for I am near..."
On another post you wrote:
Here is the verse you quoted in context:
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
This verse about being perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect, further exemplifies our need to love one another. The perfection referred to here is that of being mature in love. 1 Corinthians 13 says, "Love seeks not her own, is not easily angered, vaunts not itself," etc. The approach your posts to Jim have taken have shown elements of you elevating yourself above our brother. "You show ignorance" is a two edged sword that says, 1) "You are ignorant", and 2)" I am not."
Your interpretation my friend, has perfection juxtaposed to ignorance in this scripture. Perfection is not stated as a form of knowledge, so for you to then use it to argue against the lack of knowledge is not consistent with the verse. To counter your point, Paul says fruther in 1 Corinthians 13...
Paul was clearly saying it is not given to us in this dispensation to know all things.
If we are to be perfect my friend, let it be in love as commanded and defined by God. Debates about prophecy are a distant second to walking in love and humility with one another.
*I have used this term to describe your posts so that you might get an idea what it feels like to be on the receiving end of what you handed out to Jim.
Blessings and Peace,
Timothy
Mon, 06/08/2009 - 03:31
#23
DeepSeeker's your postings are blasphemous
You write:
"One has said: 666 can't be Jesus because He would not have us to seek evil. Of course He wouldn't, that would be contrary to His whole purpose for mankind. This does not mean however, that He can not appear as an evil form if He so chose to!"
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What you are writing here is in fact blasphemous, that the Son of God could take the form as evil or that the Holy Spirit could do so.
Peter responded to Simon the magician so:
21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity.”
24 Then Simon answered and said, “Pray to the Lord for me, that none of the things which you have spoken may come upon me.”
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Jesus presents himself in our person through the Holy Spirit, so this is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. My suggestion to you is not only to recant of this but to stop posting on theology and place yourself under the guidance of reliable teaching in an attested fellowship.
If you are serious about Jesus Christ- take this cautionary very seriously.
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I strongly recommend that your posting privileges are withdrawn.
Tue, 06/09/2009 - 20:15
#24
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Sun, 06/07/2009 - 23:53
#25
I mentioned in another post
I mentioned in another post that deep seeking has its problems. When you drill for fresh water and find it, it is not wise to drill much deeper as you can tap into iron, or sulfur and contaminate the well. This is where I smell sulphur in the water DeepSeeker.
Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
To say that Jesus would appear in an evil form is blasphemous. He came in the flesh and appeared in a righteous form, but that form was counted evil of men. For one to say he personally took on an evil form contradicts who God is at His very core. He is not a deceiver. There is no shadow of turning with Him - which is to say He does not morph from 'good cop' to 'bad cop'. He is light and there is no shadow of darkness in Him.
God does allow evil spirits to have access to mankind when mankind has opened themselves up to its presence. "Know you not to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey. Whether of obedience to righteousness, or sin unto death" Rom 6:15-17 I believe.
"For the ones who are really seeking God spiritual truth this should provide a path for them." I have concerns about the path being presented here. The message that the path to spiritual truth for those "who are really seeking God" is found in this message is clearly an appeal to vanity. It also implies if I do not agree I am not "really" seeking God.
You support your claim that Jesus could appear as an evil form by quoting verses that speak specifically of 'an evil spirit' being sent by the Lord. Your words taken at face value are then stating that Jesus IS an evil spirit, because if He came in that form and that form is specifically called an evil spirit, you have a real problem. Of course, it appears my concern can be brushed off as one who is 'not really seeking'. I found Jesus, I do not need to seek Him. Your explanation has overtones of occultism.
My God is not a god of deception who comes in the form of evil to accomplish His deeds. He will use Satan's kingdom - since we have chosen it - but He does not dress up in evil, any more than you could dress as a woman and be obedient to God's laws.
Concerned,
Timothy
Wed, 06/03/2009 - 23:55
#26
So Tell Me...
What you've said is very interesting and I will grant that you could be right, but what of the world having to recieve microchips in their hands in a time to come. As we speak the U.S and perhaps other nations a seemingly prepping the world with finger and thumb scannning devices. People have to clock in to work with these and may soon have to shop with them. The U.S is still chasing after world peace which would likely cause a One World Government. It is written, 1Th 5:3 For when they shall say peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them as travail upon a woman with child and they shall not escape. I don't think that God made things too symbolic for men to grasp. I think men are facing the truth but because of Satan's influence they fail to take the correct actions.I don't have all the answers to the mark of the beast, but I am quite sure things will not be so symbolic in the not too distant future. But if you have something that proves otherwise please do share it. I need the truth as all men do.
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 19:04
#28
I like your conclusion. Just
I like your conclusion. Just want to add my own perspective and musings to the conversation....
You wrote: "In order to understand Gods words perfectly we need to have a spiritual understanding of them and not a logical understanding."
This statement brings to mind a few other scriptures. If we are to have a spiritual understanding, it will come from within the framework of obedience to God's commandments. "Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever." We cannot apply ourselves to the understanding of prophecy and hope to save ourselves. Understanding comes from walking in God's law of Love to God and neighbor. By applying our hearts to the first works, God gives understanding.
Some seek after understanding all the details as if knowing these things they might manuever their way into being at the right place at the right time to receive Jesus at His return. When Jesus comes, the angels will gather God's elect from the four corners of the earth. If we have kept the faith and done the first works, the Lord will gather us up. If we have merely positioned ourselves through our own understanding, we can jump as high as we can at Christ's return and still not be gathered up. "Let the righteous be righteous still, and let the wicked be wicked still..."
As has been pointed out, the wise will understand because it is God who gives understanding. We cannot take wisdom from the storehouses of God by our proper use of logic. Fear God and do His will and He will give His own the understanding they need in the hour they need it. I think if He revealed it too soon, the word would get out and people would simply find a way to pervert it and subvert it in the flesh. The understanding will come to God's children in the hour of temptation when they need it to come. This is walking by faith in my opinion.Blessings and Peace,
Timothy
Thu, 06/04/2009 - 17:12
#30
But one thing about it
You have very strong points and even stronger scripture to back your points, but what if those microchips just so happen to have 666 or a name equal to that number?
I believe that there are things that are hidden from the wicked because of their wickedness, but what about the righteous. If all things were meant as parables where do we stand? Is the human population of the earth deceived?
Sat, 06/06/2009 - 18:15
#32
So what is to be made of this?
Well, if the microchip theory is a sham what do you make of the rest of the prophecy
Rev. 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev. 13:15
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Something lifeless being given life and the power to have those killed that do not worship it.
This has to have some physical property to it. I mean to say that kill means kill. And the image has to be worshipped or rather not worshipped.
And what about the rest of the book, what would be the symbolic meaning behind it? Would New Jerusalem just be a symbol for something?
I don't know if God would choose to place Him name on the foreheads of men, but the Bible says He would. I mean to say that I don't think that the beast could be as spiritual as God. Our enemy is against our souls, but it is more fitting to say that God wrote on the heads of men and the enemy tried to copy His work.
Wed, 06/10/2009 - 22:39
#34
Please understand me?
I do not take all of Revelation literally, but I don't take it all symbolically either. The prophecies of the book are well mapped out as to what is symbolic and what is not. I do believe that there are things concerning the beast that have to be spiritually understood. And I know that some things are symbolic, as the scripture maps it out. But that is my point, all of Revelation couldn't be all symbolic, nor could it all be literal. For the scriptures of the book themselves prove it.
2 Peter 1:19-21
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy;whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
20 Knowing this first,that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:but holy men of God spake (as they were)moved by the Holy Ghost.
For you to present an all symbolic stand on the mark of the beast is to say that the Bible left every thing that was written in the darkness; when the book is called the Revelation.
I know that there are parables and Jesus used many, but why would God have hidden that which was meant to reveal. But to get the main point...What I am asking you, since you have such a strong symbolic stance, is what does the rest of the prophecy truly mean; if God has placed His seal on the minds of men and the beast goes to do the same? If we as Christians take all matters of the prophecy for symbolic, then indeed we will have only a symbol to look forward to in a reward.
I know we are always to be spiritually minded, but I doubt that Jesus' parables went on for ever; there came a time when the parables were put to an end.
Luke 8:10
And He said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God; but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
When Jesus spoke to His followers the parables where ended and He left things plain. So I doubt that the Father would leave such great prophecy to be seen and heard by followers to come (in scripture) as a parable.
So once again I ask if the right interpretation of the scripture is what you have given, please share the rest of the interpretation of the prophecy?
I really would like to know it, and consider it, as I see you have certain spiritual reasoning.
Mon, 06/15/2009 - 15:32
#36
Let's say you're likely to be right!
My point is that there are many symbolic interpretations in the world today. Some of them go way beyond what God says in His Word. Many people over symbolize God's Word and in the process dilute the Gospel and prophecies. For instance, the Jehovah's witnesses, while they are well known for their door to door evangelism, they present a symbolic message that pretty much rewrites the Word of God: Instead of teaching of an eternal punishment for Satan an evil unbelievers; they over symbolize and ultimately teach that God will simply have a seperation from them or they will just be seperate from God. Problem being, their punishment then becomes their current state.
Maybe you see this differently,but carnal minds are not just unable to understand, they see the truth before them and refuse it. Therefore God's Word being revealed doesn't mean carnal minded people will receive it and know the truth.
But I don't want this to be a great debate between brethren. So I will say this to close;I will consider that you could be right. But without the full interpretation of the book being given people won't be likely to believe what you are saying. But may God lead us both to the truth and may we and the rest of the Body come to be on one accord in it.
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 14:58
#37
I only have a few minutes!
Nadir47,
I have not gotten a witness in my spirit on everything you have said, but I have think you are definitely hearing from the Lord on some things.I am not saying you are wrong on anything, but honestly I have been engaging so many fronts lately that have taken up a lot of my time and I have not been able to give this subject matter the proper time!
Here is a few quick ideas. When Jesus came 2000 years ago for the most part everybody missed. especially God's people. That just absolutely amazes me! Jesus was walking around right in the middle of God's people performing some amazing signs and wonders and preaching and teaching God's word exactly word for word and teaching God's law as a relationship and the perfect law of love, aand they still missed it.
I have definitely gotten a witness in my spirit that the second coming will be no different the second time around and for the most part God's people are going to be completely clueless. Jesus repeatedly warned us not to look for physical signs and wonders. The second coming to be discerned spiritually. which to me says you better adress the conditions of peoples hearts, first in ourselves and secondly in the rest of the world.
I will comment again on this later and finish my thoughts.
God Bless you
Corey
Tue, 06/02/2009 - 03:54
#39
Calculate this
Well, if you want to be doing math problems then lets try to at least get the name right.
Immanuel (Hebrew) - - Emmanuel (Greek)
Tue, 06/02/2009 - 02:42
#41
More On 666
nirdir47
Well let me see; if I remember correctly, God is sovereign in all maters.Not only is He sovereign in all matters, He controls all maters.
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Col 1:16-17 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Jdg 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:
1Sa 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Yes,from reading the scriptures it is seen that indeed, God and His Christ Jesus do all things that are done. They also permit all things or not permit them !
DeepSeeker
Sun, 05/31/2009 - 04:44
#43
666
Indeed this number has received many false ideas over the years. I, for many years, ignored it. I did this because I knew I did not have the correct answer to it. Of late the Spirit has given me a new insight number via another writer, who in my humble opinion has it correct !
The writer is one, Bonnie Gaunt. She has writer numerous books on Gematria of the Hebrew and Greek alphabets. Gematria indeed reveals much ! Remember, it says: "let him who has wisdom calculate the number of the beast" . This in itself is a hint of mathematics.
I can not get into a deep discussion of what is written in her books without her permission. I will say this however. She points out very clearly that this number ( as hinted to in your blog), is the number pertaining to mankind; only it's on man. That man is Jesus Christ!
666 is the Gematria value of His name. It is also, as you have pointed out; the number assigned to man and all that pertains to him.
Here are a few of the Gematria meanings for 666.
666 =
[1] Jehovah God that created the heavens ( Isa 42:5)
[2] Your great and fearful name
[3] Head of the corner ( Mth 21:42) ( Psl 118:22)
[4] He that made the earth ( Jer 10:12)
[5] Your great and fearful name
[6] Let there be lights
Let there be lights; from Genesis, the light from God through His Christ Jesus who at that time was in a different form.
I hope this helps to bring a clearer view of this number. Also the word beast. It is used for an evil one or ones as well as a bad event caused by some force.
" All things were created by Him and for Him ... . "
Blessing in The Christ
DeepSeeker
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Hi Tim
Thanks for the info.
I thought if I asked in the form of the 2 issues I could get a response without running head long into the VERBIAGE MONSTER.
Maby the subject should have stayed in bed to begin with.
JIM