Forgiveness

Your forgiveness of someone that has wronged you, no matter what the wrong may have been, is not dependent on how you feel about the situation, or the person involved.
It is something to be done out of obedience.
It is all about how GOD feels, not you, He said to pray, He said to forgive.
Why would God require this of us, knowing we are emotional creatures, controlled by our feelings, passions?
There is what is called the many fold purpose of God.
In this circumstance, a two fold purpose, for our praying in a forgiveness type of situation.
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Point
# 1.) We were given the power to forgive sins, in the Lords prayer.

Matt. 6:12,14,15
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Luke 11:4
4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

Then again, Jesus Himself gave this power of forgiveness to us, by the indwelling of the Holy Ghost.

Matt. 18:18
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

John 20:21-23
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Matt. 18:23-35
23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshiped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

From these verses, you can see, “we” have the power to forgive or not. But the teaching is to always forgive.

Mat 18:21,22
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

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Forgiveness is not an act of the intellect, it is a condition of the heart.
But in most cases, forgiveness needs to be intellectually understood and carried out, until the act of forgiving becomes a condition of the heart.
People say, I wish I could be more like Jesus, this is our chance.
Pick up your cross and follow Him, the cross is a sign of death, we must die to our will, in order for the Will of God, to be accomplished in our lives.
When Jesus was in the garden, He prayed.

Mat 26:39
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

This prayer tells us, in His flesh, He did not want to go through with the crucifixion, but submitting Himself to the Will of the Father, He died for us.
This is the point where we can be like Jesus.
The sin that required forgiveness, “we” committed against God.
Jesus does not ask us to do something, He did not do Himself.
God Himself came to earth, in order to forgive the sins, of the sinner.

We need to pray your own Gethsemane prayer, letting God know exactly how hurt, angry, and desirous for vengeance we feel for the wrong that has been done to us, but in the end we need to do the same as Jesus did, submit to the Will of God, it is for our benefit that we do so.

When we declare, we have put on Christ, we need to be fully aware of all that declaration entails.

Rom. 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Rom. 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

It says “you have been predestined” that means “you “HAVE BEEN” conformed”.
When we have been wronged by people, God is dealing with “US”, not them, God is trying to teach “US” the full meaning of forgiveness, God is taking “US” to a higher plane of understanding.
Only by forgiveness, can the healing of the wound suffered take place.
Call it a test of God if you want to, but if you fail this test, by holding on to the pain, hurt, anger, and feelings of vengeance, you will have to take the test over again, because we are told to forgive.
Look at it as though Jesus came to earth to die only for “your” sins, because we have to be conscious of “our” part in His death. Each one of us in turn will have to come to the realization that “we” crucified the Lord Jesus.

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Point
2) When we decide “not” to forgive, this then is what happens to “US”.

Matt.6:12,14,15
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matt.5:25,26
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

This whole thing means, when we (Retain) someone’s sins, instead of (Forgiving) them, “we” will be bringing them to God, on the day of judgement as their (Accuser).
Because they have unforgiven sins against them, you then become responsible for this unforgiven sin.
You then, would have unforgiven sins against you also, as per. (Matt. 6:12,14,15).
But during your remaining life here on earth, seeing that you have not been reconciled, by the act of forgiveness, the Adversary (SATAN) will deliver you to the judge, because you have determined not to forgive. “YOU” have therefore become the judge. Thereby sentencing yourself to a prison.

Matt.7:1-3
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Your judgment has been, (PRISON) your sentence meant for another has turned unto you. This therefore denies you access to God, carried out to the last.
You will only feel what you feel, as long as you want to feel it, your the one that has put yourself into prison.

Pharaoh determined the sentence, what he meant for evil turned unto him, and all of Egypt.

Exodus 10:28,29
28 And Pharaoh said unto him, Get thee from me, take heed to thyself, see my face no more; for in that day thou seest my face thou shalt die.
29 And Moses said, Thou hast spoken well, I will see thy face again no more.

Exodus 11:4,5
4 And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt:
5 And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.

Egypt is A “Type” of our life in the Flesh (sin), through the forgiveness of Jesus we have become Freed from the FLESH, our Egypt. We have left the realm of the flesh, and entered into the realm Of the Kingdom of God, we are now alive to the Spirit.

Rom 8:4,5
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Sin would be “not” forgiving, for that is the will of God.
Remember that forgiving is forgetting, when you forgive, God CAN then help you forget.

What do YOU think?

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  1. lookinforacity says:

    Hi Redbuck

    Very simply
    You say
    “God does not forgive without repentance,”
    “We can offer to forgive, but the other party must first repent, for it to be like the Father.”

    So what you are saying, is that you repented of all your sins, then God forgave you.
    Eph 2:8
    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    Eph 2:9
    Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    Oh by the way look at my blog “Repentance more than you think”

    Be Blessed
    JIM

    • Redbuck40 says:

      But by quoting that verse are you just saying that to be saved one must just have faith?

      The act of repentance is not works, nor is it a way of salvation. Instead it is a acknowledgment that before God we have been wrong.

      The simple steps of salvation are (for our side):
      Faith in God – do you believe that he exists (Heb 11)
      Repent of wickedness – turn from your ways (Luke 13) we are to show that we have truly repented by proof of action (Acts 26)
      Immersed in water – be buried and raised with Jesus (Rom 6)
      Filled with Holy Spirit – We ask for it (Luke 11)

      The simple steps of salvation are (What God does):
      Repent of wickedness – God forgives those things that you have named, but only those that are in the past (2 Pet 1)
      Immersed in water – God gives us a clean conscience (Heb 9)
      Filled with Holy Spirit – The fruit is given and the gifts to empower us for holy living. (1 Cor 12)

      In Eph 2:8-9 the gift is salvation not faith, and it is a gift we cant earn or do works to receive. Where as the steps of salvation is not totally us nor is it totally Father, we act in obedience, and Father reacts by what he has promised. At the start we seek God to repent, we obey to be immersed, and we ask for Holy Spirit. After that we do works that Father has prepared for us, but we are not earning anything, we are just workers in a field doing what the boss commands, any less and we will be punished, any more and we will be rewarded. But still we haven’t earnt anything, it is still up to the boss whether you stand or fall.

      Repentance is not “good works” it is repentance, something that God has command US to DO. (Acts 17)

    • 🙂 !

  2. Timothy Luke says:

    Redbuck,

    I think there may be more to forgiveness than you realize at this time. Jesus gave the disciples power to bind and release on the earth. He Himself operated in this power and while He was on the cross, he said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."

    His forgiveness is not "willy nilly" as you point out, but it is sincere and it is true…. and it can be done, and should be, even without repentance. The fruit of not doing it is found in much torment and loss of peace among believers.

    I follow the example of Jesus Christ and forgive others, even while they harm me. In this there is great peace. It comes from God, not Satan. It is the evidence I am on the right path. I cannot bless those who curse me if I am not truly forgiving them before they repent to me.

    Have a blessed day brother! Glad you are here and sharing.

    • Redbuck40 says:

      It was the asking of the person being harmed, that Father would forgive them. Were they forgiven? Only Father knows because we are not told. Jesus didn’t say ‘I forgive you’ as he had every right to say, instead he asked his Father if he would forgive instead. Notice Jesus did not say, ‘You are forgiven for this’.

      What I was talking about was forgiveness between people. For that we do have commands on how that is done.

      (Luk 17:4) And if seven times of the day he sins against you, and seven times of the day turns to you saying, I repent, you shall forgive him.

      (Act 3:19) Therefore, repent, and convert, for the blotting out of your sins, so that times of refreshing may come from the face of the Lord.

      If someone wants peace (times of refreshing) then they should repent.

      The first example of someone asking for forgiveness for another was Avraham who asked for Sodom. The next shining example was Moshe, when he said to God “Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin–; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto Moshe, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.”

      Both of these examples show that even though it was asked for, forgiveness wasn’t given.

      These are not precedents they are examples. But yet there is no example of anyone (as far as I can see in scripture – show me where if so) forgiving another person without that person firstly repenting.

      But there is a passage in scripture that does say “…love overlooks the wrongs that others do.”
      (Pro 10:12)

      But we should still be careful how we live this love because we are told to stay clear of certain people who call themselves brothers but live lives contrary to sound doctrine.

      My friends, I beg you to watch out for anyone who causes trouble and divides the church by refusing to do what all of you were taught. Stay away from them!
      (Rom 16:17)

      But now I wrote to you not to associate intimately; if anyone is called a brother and is either a fornicator, or a covetous one, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a plunderer, with such a one not to eat.
      (1Co 5:11)

      I think that people look for peace in the wrong places. peace is not something that you receive merely by forgiving another, it is a gift from Father, it is part of the fruit of The Spirit, and is unrelated to forgiveness of another person. It is possible to have peace without forgiving anyone of unrepentant sin. Trust Father that he will deal with the person who refuses to repent, and you receive (if you like) peace of mind, that they wont get away with it.

      But the fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-control.
      (Gal 5:22-23)

  3. Redbuck40 says:

    Point:

    God does not forgive without repentance, likewise when someone comes to you and says ‘I repent” you forgive them. But if they don’t repent do we still forgive?

    God does not pass out forgiveness willy nilly, because for us to be forgiven it cost him a great deal. Forgiveness is not cheap.

    Likewise we are to forgive, just like he forgave us. We can offer to forgive, but the other party must first repent, for it to be like the Father.

    I can not find an example where forgiveness has ever been free, in the OT forgiveness was secured by a sacrifice, and in the NT it was by the sacrifice of Jesus. In the first case it was something that you owned but was prepared to give to God, in the second case, it was something that was far out of our reach until God offered a better sacrifice.

    Does that make repentance cheap, for anyone can say ‘I repent’? No they can’t! There is an easy test to see if they are truly in repentance, that is if they prove their repentance by their deeds (Mat 3:8, Acts 26:20).

    But it seems that in this day and age we have a tendency to give away forgiveness, to just forgive ‘for our peace of mind’. But Father never forgave us to make him happy, he has forgiven us so that we can be reconciled to him.

    As for forgiving and forgetting, I am still looking for the passage in scripture which tells us that is what we are told to do. God can do, and he does do it. But I for one, even though I have been forgiven by Father for many things too sick to mention here, I cannot forget, even though Father has. Maybe as I grow in grace and in the Lord Jesus, my memory will fade, but I guess, like the Apostle Paul, the memories will drive me on to not miss this chance, to not give up, to be an overcomer, and be found worthy to carry The Name.

    • lookinforacity says:

      Hi Redbuck

      You say
      “As for forgiving and forgetting, I am still looking for the passage in scripture which tells us that is what we are told to do.”
      Psa 103:12
      As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

      This East – West Metaphor is FORGETTING. KO, before you say it, I’m not saying “WE” do this, first you need to understand the concept, we are in Christ.
      Christ said to the Disciples.
      Joh 15:7
      If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
      Joh 20:23
      Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

      I am saying our REMITTING of sins places them into the realm of FORGETTING.
      If you cannot come to the point of forgetting the trespasses of those committed against you, you haven’t really forgiven at all.
      Using God as the example, God never, ever reminds us of the sins He has forgiven us. If you cannot get to the point of forgetting, there is still malice, anger, vengeance in your heart. This is in essence sin, this sin isn’t going to send you to Hell, but your life here will not be as good as it could be, until you do forgive, (repent of your sin) the sin of not doing the will of God.

      Therefore the premise I was putting forward, is this.
      We forgive others as we have been forgiven, even if we do not feel like it, this is done out of obedience to the word of God. An Intellectual forgiving, because this is the “WILL” of God, we don’t question it, we just do it. This then is the first step, in the process God has designed for “OUR” good.
      Notice there hasn’t been any mention of Repentance anywhere by Jesus, He is setting down a principal for us to follow. “You do this He will do that” Just as God did with the Israelites, Blessing and Cursing.
      Mat 6:14
      14) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
      15) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

      Then you say
      “But I for one, even though I have been forgiven by Father, cannot forget, even though Father has.”
      “Maybe as I grow in grace and in the Lord Jesus, my memory will fade.”

      Your forgiveness “BY” God is not the subject, it is your forgiveness of others.

      You say, that you need an example of anyone in scripture forgiving another person without that person firstly repenting.

      Act 7:59
      59) And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
      60) And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

      He died, to late for any repentance.

      No mention of repentance in this teaching of Jesus.
      Mar 11:25
      25) And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
      26) But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

      No repentance mentioned
      Col 3:12-14
      12) Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
      13) Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
      14) And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

      Be Blessed
      JIM

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