Does the Soul sleep?

or does the body sleep in the dust? till the rapture.. your thoughts!

What do YOU think?

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  1. lookinforacity says:

    The words asleep – sleep, used in the following verses, refer to (DEATH).

    1Th 4:15
    For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are (ASLEEP).

    1Co 15:16-18
    16) For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
    17) And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
    18) Then they also which are (FALLEN ASLEEP) in Christ are perished.

    1Co 15:51,52
    51) Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all (SLEEP), but we shall all be changed
    52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    Without the Sleep, or Death there could be no Resurrection, Rapture.

    When you went to sleep last night, if you did not have a clock, or the rising of the sun, how could you tell just how long you had slept? So it is with our spirits.
    As Stephen said, receive my spirit.

    Act 7:59
    And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

    But from the closing of his eyes in (Sleep, Death) to the opening of his eyes at the Rapture, he would think it was instantaneous, because to him TIME STOPPED.

    Be Blessed JIM

    • Jim wrote:

      “But from the closing of his eyes in (Sleep, Death) to the opening of his eyes at the Rapture, he would think it was instantaneous, because to him TIME STOPPED.”

      This will not be the case if we look at the scripture of Lazarus and the rich man.
      Also Jesus descended to the lower parts of the earth to free the Old Testament saints who were held captive, all were in a conscious state.

      2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

      Phi 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is GAIN.
      Phi 1:22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
      Phi 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better

      The GAIN here is because he will be in a conscious state with, in the very presence of, Christ.

      Jesus loves you!

  2. Kingdom Seeker says:

    Dear Beska,
    Well done! You see I was wondering, … when God requires the spirit back to Him, and dust returns to dust where will the created man be? How will man stand before God at judgement if he has been ‘uncreated’ or undone? But the soul that was created when God breathed into the nostrils of the formed or fashioned ‘mud man’ is the real man and he is meant to live for ever in heaven or in hell.
    As for the devil and the fallen angels, they are referred to as ‘spirits’ for that is their nature. But they hove souls.Just as it is written ” God is spirit and those who…” It means that His body is of spirit nature.

    • Hi Stephen

      You have asked some interesting questions.
      The way I see it is the evil man will not have need of a spirit, because the Spirit will not need to testify with his spirit that he is lost. He will feel the pain of being lost.

      But, at the rapture, both the dead and those that live who have been faithful till the end will receive a spiritual body like the angels’:

      1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
      1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
      1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
      1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
      1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
      1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

      Also:
      1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
      1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
      1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
      1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
      1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
      1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

      • lookinforacity says:

        Hi Beska

        According to your statements it is my understanding, you believe.
        Everyone from Stephen, to the born again believers of our time, having died, are with the LORD.

        You say:
        1) “The GAIN here is because he will be in a conscious state with, in the very presence of, Christ.”

        You then say:
        2) “But, at the rapture, both the dead and those that live who have been faithful till the end will receive a spiritual body like the angels.”

        Aren’t those two statements contradictory?
        How can a Christian having died, be in the very presence of Christ, and then be in the ground to take part in the Rapture?
        Because you have said, everyone who has been saved since Christ’s Resurrection, have gone straight to paradise.

        That all sounds good on paper, but “WHO WILL RISE AT THE RAPTURE”?
        Paul says it pretty clearly, “The dead in Christ shall rise first.”
        Therefore if the dead in Christ are rising, just where is it, are they rising from?
        Because Paul is placing the dead in Christ, in the grave here on the earth.

        1Th 4:15-17
        15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (THEM WHICH ARE ASLEEP).
        16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and (THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST):
        17) (THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE) and remain (SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM) in the clouds, (TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR): and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

        Be Blessed
        JIM

        • Hi Jim

          May I ask you in all kindness. If we have two or more scriptures (Luk 16:22-31; Phi 1:21-23; Mat 27:52-53) that makes it clear that when we die we will be with the Lord, but find one scripture (1Th 4:15-17) an event that WE can’t quite make fit into what we believe, are we to reject the others? I think not.

          About 1Th 4:15-17: This is a grey area where the “dead in Christ will rise first’ is concerned, but I would explain it like this to tie in with the other scriptures. That the dead shall rise first to receive their spiritual bodies before they that are alive shall rise, to receive theirs.
          As such there will be no contradiction of scriptures. If I have to say anything else I will be making the other scriptures a lie.

          Jim, how would you explain what the disciples witnessed on the mountain : Moses, who was ‘dead’, talking with Elijah and Jesus? (Mat 17:3)

          God bless,
          Barry

          • lookinforacity says:

            Hi Barry

            Yes you may, I am not offended by questions.
            We are discussing an issue from the Bible, we are both seeking truth, and neither one of us are angry.

            My point is, when Paul says.
            Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
            Php 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ;

            There is nothing within these verses that give a time frame, as to when this being with Christ actually takes place.
            Paul does not give us any information, other than his being with Christ will take place, after he dies.
            Any other rendering (interpretation) of these verses, such as saying it is immediately upon death, is assumption, supposition, conjecture.
            There is insufficient evidence from these verses, to make that determination.

            If the Verses from 1Th.4:15-17 can’t quite fit into what we believe are we to reject the event?
            There will be a rapture, and Paul says people WILL be coming up out of the Ground.
            If they are already with Christ as you say, how can the dead in Christ rise?

            Be Blessed
            JIM

          • Hi Jim

            What gain could there be for Paul if he were to die and wait 2000 years before he could be with the Lord. None that I can see.
            But lets look at his walk on earth. Here he was, doing God’s work. Christ being with him in everything he was told to undertake, in everyway, Christ speaking to him in an audible voice, seeing the glory of Christ, seeing things pan out as Christ said it would, how awesome is that.

            But did he feel it more gain to be dead and wait 2000 years until the rapture before being in Christ’s presence? Doesn’t make much sense, does it?
            There are only two possibilties, either Paul KNEW that he would be with Christ as soon as he died, or he didn’t know. I’m enclined to believe he did know.

            Jim you say I said: “If the Verses from 1Th.4:15-17 can’t quite fit into what we believe are we to reject the EVENT?”
            This is not what I said, please read it again. We are discussing being with Christ at our death and the point I was making was if one scripture does not make it clear what we believe (understand), are we to reject the two or more scriptures that do. I definitely do not reject the ‘event’ of the rapture, as discussed on previous posts.

            Have you given it any thought about Moses speaking with Elijah and Christ, and this was before Christ’s ressurrection?

            Love in Christ
            Barry

          • Timothy Luke says:

            Hi Barry! Just a thought on "what advantage to die and 2000 years later to be with Christ." On the practical end, it is a split second, regardless of which viewpoint one takes. If we all go to heaven or hell upon death, then why do we have a tiny minority who claim to have come back from the dead with afterlife stories? Even then, there is great disparity in what they witness upon death… but I digress.  The point I am bringing up is that thousands and thousands have 'died' and been revived, but they do not all have the same experience.  The witness is confused, and God is not the author of that….

            Be that as it may, these are mysteries we shall all understand in due season, as we press on in our calling.

            Blessings and peace to you,

            Tim

          • lookinforacity says:

            Hi Barry

            Keeping it in the spirit of keeping it simple only two questions.

            1) Do you believe in the literal Rapture of those dead in Christ, as per.

            1Th 4:16
            For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and (THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST):

            2) If you do, how then do you reconcile your belief, and the Rapture?

            Be Blessed
            JIM

          • Jim
            Maybe you haven’t got an answer to my question about Moses being with Jesus and Elijah, never mind.

            Lets look at the first 2 verses preceding the rapture scripture we are using:
            1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

            When “Jesus died and rose again, God brought those who sleep in Jesus with him”. With Him WHERE?? When? When Jesus rose from the dead, and it has happened ever since, Paul knew this and said as much.

            1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

            For those who are alive in Jesus and remain ‘unto the coming of the Lord’ will “not prevent them which are asleep.” What does this say: That the dead won’t wait for the living to be with God, this can only be at the rapture, having no knowledge of another such event.

            If we knew where Christ had taken the righteous dead after He fetched them from the paradise in the lower parts of the earth, things would be clearer.

            What we do know however, is that there are at least two paradises, and if Christ had taken them to the paradise which is in the third heaven, would they not then be in the presence of God?
            Would these only be the righteous dead BEFORE Christ’s sacrifice and not those after? Are those under the Law more favoured than those who have died in Christ? I doubt it. Are we to believe that the dead since Jesus’ sacrifice are to be kept in the lower parts of the earth with the unrighteous dead?
            If so, then my arguments fall flat, I admit.

            If not however, then the rapture is not for the dead but for the living.

          • lookinforacity says:

            Hi Barry

            Your question:
            Jim, how would you explain what the disciples witnessed on the mountain : Moses, who was ‘dead’, talking with Elijah and Jesus? (Mat 17:3)

            Up until this moment I have intentionally withheld my answer to your question, I did not feel it was necessary to have two posts being discussed at the same time. So here is my answer to you, although I doubt you will agree with it.

            Isn’t your question sort of like mixing apples and oranges, and then declaring they are all the same fruit?
            I think your argument up to this question of yours, has been, when a Christian dies, they are absent from the body and consciously present with Christ in Heaven. Am I correct in my understanding?

            So when we speak about Moses and Elijah being with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration, we need to fully understand, they do not fulfill the criteria for the inclusion into the discussion. They were never Christians. Therefore your argument becomes moot, as far as they are concerned.

            1) They were both before the New Covenant, and therefore do not fall into the category of Christian.
            2) Elijah was taken up to Heaven by a whirlwind, he never died.
            3) Moses died, but being under the Old Covenant, (The Law) he would have gone to what is called Abraham’s Bosom, awaiting the promise of the Messiah.
            4) Abraham’s Bosom, is also the place where Lazarus was, the Rich man being in Hell.
            5) Abraham’s Bosom, appears to be a place created by God, for those of the Old Testament who had died, and not gone to Hell, as a waiting place for those that Christ would eventually preach His Gospel to, so they would also have the chance to become of the household of Faith.
            6) Abraham’s Bosom, is only mentioned one time in the entire Bible, so what I have said about it, is pure conjecture on my part. I do not believe it could be Heaven, because Salvation, and Eternal life come only by Faith in Christ, not by the Law, so none of the Old Testament Jews could go to Heaven without the opportunity to accept Christ, as Messiah and Savior.
            I believe Jesus was preaching to those in Abraham’s Bosom, after His Crucifixion, before His Resurrection.
            Eph 4:9
            (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

            Be Blessed
            JIM

            Be Blessed
            JIM

          • Haha, Jim you did it again, for the second time.

            You said: “So when we speak about Moses and Elijah being with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration, we need to fully understand, they do not fulfill the criteria for the inclusion into the discussion. They were never Christians. Therefore your argument becomes moot, as far as they are concerned.”

            I have reviewed my posts and never once in any of my statements used the word ‘Christians’ not for the dead in Christ and definitely not for the Saints of old, which you have once again based your arguments on. Therefore my arguments are valid.

            You call them ‘apples and oranges’. The Bible calls them the ‘Old Testament saints and the dead in Christ’. In my book that will make them of the same ’fruit’ being ‘the righteous dead’ whether this be the Old Testament Saints or the New.

            You have opened a new can of worms with some of your new statements and I think if you look back at the contents of my ‘arguments’ I have covered that.
            I also want to re-iterate that this is my opinion on this subject and not ‘clear Gospel’, hence the debate.

            Thanks for the opportunity to be able to share some of my thoughts with you.

            Love in Jesus,
            Barry

  3. The body that houses the soul and spirit perishes.
    The soul is that part of all living beings that feels – the seat of his emotions, affections, desires and passions which gives him self-conciousness.
    Those cast into Hell will have eternal torment, because the soul is immortal.

    From scripture we understand that the wicked go straight to Hell:
    Psa 55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.

    Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
    Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
    Here we must understand there is no soul sleep after death.

    No soul sleep in Hell:
    Psa 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.
    Psa 116:4 Then called I upon the name of the LORD; O LORD, I beseech thee, deliver my soul.

    2Sa 22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me…

    May I expand a little further…
    The spirit is that part that knows – the seat of his intellect, mind and will which gives him self-determination.
    Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
    Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

    All spiritual beings have souls. Satan, demons and fallen angels will have their part of torment in Hell.
    Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
    Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
    Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
    Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    My question (non-essentials as Tim says): Satan, demons and fallen angels are called evil spirits but when do their spirits return to God – at the judgement?

  4. lookinforacity says:

    Hi Bikelight

    Your questions.
    Does the Soul sleep?
    or does the body sleep in the dust? till the rapture.. your thoughts!

    Very simply, in relation to the way you have asked your two questions.
    1) “NO” the Soul does not sleep.
    2) “NO” the body does not sleep either.

    I will therefore answer more fully, in a detailed post, so you will be able to understand why the answer is “NO”.

    Be Blessed
    JIM

    • lookinforacity says:

      Hi Bikelight

      As I said in my other post, it isn’t as simple as a “NO” because of the misunderstanding of the two words in question (SPIRIT – – and – – SOUL).
      The following is the detailed post I referred to, hope it helps to clarify things.
      I am now working on the Greek portion of this post.

      Gen 2:7
      And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and (BREATHED INTO HIS NOSTRILS) the (BREATH OF LIFE); and man became a (LIVING SOUL).

      BREATHED – – BREATH – – Hebrew
      H5301
      naw-fakh’
      A primitive root; to puff, in various applications (literally, to inflate, blow hard, scatter, kindle, expire; figuratively, to disesteem): – blow, breath, give up, cause to lose [life], seething, snuff.

      SOUL – – Hebrew
      H5315
      neh’-fesh
      Properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): – any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.

      Gen 6:17
      And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the (BREATH OF LIFE), from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

      BREATH – – Hebrew
      H7307
      roo’-akh
      From H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions): – air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).

      H7306
      roo’-akh
      A primitive root; properly to blow, that is, breathe; only (literally) to smell or (by implication perceive (figuratively to anticipate, enjoy): – accept, smell, X touch, make of quick understanding.

      Gen 7:15
      And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all (FLESH), wherein is the (BREATH OF LIFE).

      Gen 7:22
      All in whose nostrils was the (BREATH OF LIFE), of all that was in the dry land, died.

      What can be seen from these verses, and the definitions, is that the word (SOUL) in the Hebrew refers to any creature which breaths (AIR) ie, an animal, which includes (MAN) but not exclusively man.
      Therefore everything that entered the ARK had a (SOUL – LIFE – FLESH). Therefore the word which would best describe (SOUL) would be (VITALITY).

      Gen 6:17
      And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy (ALL FLESH), wherein is the (BREATH OF LIFE), from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

      It is also evident from these verses, God breathed (LIFE) into all the creatures He created, but that the soul is not synonymous with the (SPIRIT) for it is seen that even though all animals, (including man), have a soul, (OR ARE A SOUL) the other animals do not have the same (SPIRIT) as man.
      The (SPRIT OF MAN), differs from that of all the other animals, in that the (SPIRIT OF THE BEAST) is synonymous with (SOUL – LIFE – FLESH) because it will return to the dust of the earth from which it was created. The (SOUL) which is only the vitality of man will do likewise, but the (SPIRIT OF MAN) will return to God.

      Gen 2:7
      And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and (BREATHED) into his nostrils the (BREATH OF LIFE); and man became a living (SOUL).

      Ecc 3:21
      Who knoweth the (SPIRIT OF MAN) that goeth upward, and the (SPIRIT OF THE BEAST) that goeth downward to the earth?

      As a side note, the question to the question, wether or not our pets will be in Heaven, the answer is “NO”

      Gen 3:19
      In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou (RETURN UNTO THE GROUND); for out of it wast thou taken: for (DUST THOU ART), and unto (DUST THOU SHALT RETURN).

      Ecc 12:7
      Then shall the (DUST RETURN TO THE EARTH) as it was: and the (SPIRIT SHALL RETURN UNTO GOD) who gave it.

      Those are the verses, and the definitions from the Old Testament, and Hebrew, now on to some New Testament verses, and the Greek.
      This may take another day.

      Be Blessed
      JIM

  5. Kingdom Seeker says:

    Yes, there is a difference between the soul and the spirit. The soul is the life pertaining to the body. I think ‘it come about’ when the mud became alive as in Genesis 2:7 ‘…… and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being’. By the way, the breath is the spirit that came from God and soul is the real personal you. In Revelation 6:9, John ‘saw under the alter the souls of those had been slain because of the word of God’ There is a ‘life’.that pertains to breathing , eating, blood flowing around the body and the like, and the life that pertains to power as opposed to physical might. So the soul is the life of the body while the spirit pertains to the spiritual. God is spirit and so interaction with Him must be in spirit thus the spirit part of man. when The Lord created man, He meant him to be a sort of a doorway relating to the physical and the spiritual realms so he had to have both links…

  6. michael says:

    Personally, I believe that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. So when you die your spirit is immediately ushered into the presence of the Lord.

    After the rapture, at the resurrection, you get a new physical body as well.

     

    Likewise unbelievers that die go into a kind of temporary hell awaiting the final judgment of God, after which they will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

     

    Michael

    • Timothy Luke says:

      So, basically you are saying you base your belief on a solid biblical quote from the apostle Paul? "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord…"?   🙂

      • The apostle John saw saints in heaven.

        Paul said that to depart and be with Christ is far better. Not existing is not "far better".

        There is also the cloud of witnesses. I believe these are departed saints.

        God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for all live to him.

        But there is so much testimonial evidence in favor of this, to deny it would be like denying the Pentecostal interpretation of speaking in tongues in favor of the Cessationist one.

    • “So when you die your spirit is immediately ushered into the presence of the Lord.”, I agree 100% with this about your “born again” spirit….our physical body goes to dust and we receive a new physical body (heavenly body) in heaven. This leaves the question….where does your soul go…for eternity or does it just cease to exist?

  7. Bikelite says:

    According to Scripture, the soul leaves the body at death. The Gospels tell us that at the moment of his death, Jesus prayed, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” and then “he yielded up his spirit” (Luke 23:46; Mt 27:50). This text makes clear that Jesus’ soul did not remain in his dead body, but went into his Father’s hands. The first Christian martyr (after Jesus) was Stephen. Acts 7:59-60 describes his death: “And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.” Ecclesiastes 12:7 describes death in these terms: “and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.” Notice, that according to this definition, the body has one destination and the spirit/soul has another.

    • Timothy Luke says:

      One must consider the possibility you are confusing "soul" and "spirit" here. You have accurately quoted the verses that say the spirit goes to the Lord, but scripture says clearly, we are to be sanctified wholly in 'spirit, soul, and body,' thus detailing a difference. The question is on 'soul' sleep, your answer was based on the 'spirit' going back to God.  While scripture says "the spirit goes upward' at death, it also says, 'the soul that sinneth it shall die." Do dead souls go back to the Lord?

       

      I believe we are unconscious, "asleep," until resurrection…. however, these issues are nonessentials to our faith, which focuses on the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life. If we obey the Lord, whatever the reward, it is worth it! If we disobey, then the consequence is tormenting. Let us walk in love one with another and we shall all see clearly in that day He returns!

       

      Tim

    • lookinforacity says:

      Hi Bikelight

      From the beginning of your post, you are misunderstanding.
      You have made the assumption, that the (Soul) is synonymous with the (Spirit).
      In both of the verses you have used, (Luke 23:46; Mt 27:50), and (Acts 7:59-60), the word (Spirit) was used not the word (Soul)
      Jesus – “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” – – Stephen – “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

      In your use of (Ecclesiastes 12:7) you have come close to understanding, but because of your misunderstanding you have missed it.

      You say
      Ecclesiastes 12:7 describes death in these terms: “and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.”
      “Notice, that according to this definition, the body has one destination and the spirit/soul has another.”

      You have once again placed both (Spirit, and Soul) as synonyms.
      Very simply, the (Body, Flesh) are the (SOUL).
      So the (Soul) will have the destination of returning to the earth (Dust).
      Therefore the (Spirit) will return to God. According to Ecc.12:7

      Be Blessed
      JIM

      • Kingdom Seeker says:

        Hallelu Ya, Lookingforacity!
        There is a difference between the soul and the spirit. They are not one and the same. Please read Revelation 6:9, 18:13, 20:4 and 1 Thessalonians 5:23. Anyway my understanding is that the spirit goes back to wherever it came from ie to God the creator, then the created being, the soul is taken wherever (it) he deserves and the physical body is left to decay or is burned.
        This is a discussion my brother. What do think yourself?
        I bless the Name of the Lord for your sake.

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