Dealing with Roman Catholicism

Roman Catholics who believe the doctrines of their church authorities believe that it is impossible to have a saving relationship with Christ without the Sacraments of their Church – such as the Mass, Penance etc. True or false?

If Roman Catholics truly believe that God’s grace only comes through their rituals administered by their priests with “Holy Orders” then are they preaching another gospel? And if they believe the wafer they administer is fully Jesus Christ, are they preaching another Jesus?

So if they do teach this, then all Roman Catholic priests and bishops who fraternize with non R.C. Christians and treat them as Christians are either:

Playing the hypocrite
Practicing Double-think
Disbelieving their own church doctrines
Practicing a kind of dishonest “friendship evangelism”

or some kind of combination of the above? No?

And if this is true for Roman Catholics, isn’t it also true for Protestants who treat those loyal to the Roman Catholic institution and its doctrines as brothers in Christ?

What do YOU think?

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  1. She was baptized as an infant,as is the case in most Catholics. So, no she wasn’t baptized again after being born again. She would probably argue that it wood be redundant.I myself understand a bit about Catholicism.After I was born again,(Sort of a Damascus road experience) I went through a long period of searching for the “right” church.Having no knowledge of all the different points of view within Christianity, I was confused. I have studied many of these differing schools of thought,from fundamentalism, liberalism,
    mainstream,fringe ,ending with a serious inquiry into the Catholic Faith.I was almost convinced that I had found the “fullness of truth”.Within Catholic apologetics,there seems to be an answer to all the different beliefs they hold.But, it becomes exhaustive,and the simplicity of the Gospel is lost.That combined with what I though were downright contradictions with Scripture,and the Holy Spirit leading,I found myself brought back to the same place I started.Christ and Him crucified,and the good news that brings.There isn’t some neat prepackaged box of Christianity I could claim.
    Anyway I didn’t mean to digress. I think someday my question to my mother-in-law will be,” Do you want truth more than you want the Catholic Church? To me, it seems the greatest danger for her is not being fed spiritually(with the right food) and not growing to full potential.We have a lot of discussions about our differences of belief,and it has never been a point of contention.She struggles with guilt and condemnation,(something common with Catholics,I think) and I am trying to convince her that “There is now no condemnation,for those in Christ Jesus”.
    Thanks again Jim, I appreciate your time and thoughts on this.
    Beloved

  2. lookinforacity says:

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  3. My mother-in-law had a genuine conversion,but is a Roman Catholic. She was raised a R.C., but had strayed from the church.She was hungry for for something real and as a result,had dabbled in the new-age.
    ( Wayne Dyer type stuff) After the birth of a new grandchild,she moved to our state,and I was able to witness my conversion story. Being as spiritually hungry as she was,and the Lord working on her heart,she soon experienced the new birth! She attended a bible church in her neighborhood for at least a year,but was drawn back to the church of her youth.She is now in the choir,and a bible study weekly,and is very happy.
    My question is this: If she has repented,and is truly re-born,trusting in Jesus,does it matter which church she goes to?
    Beloved

    • lookinforacity says:

      Hi Beloved

      Don’t mean to jump the gun. BUT
      Having been raised in the Catholic Church myself, I am speaking from experience, the Catholic Church is steeped in Rituals, Traditions, and Ceremonies that do not exist in the Protestant Religions. A person having been raised with such Rituals, Traditions, and Ceremonies feel as though something is missing from their worship. It’s all of the flesh, so to them, it seems more spiritual to have those things to look at, and experience.

      When she initially left the Church, she probably was looking for truth, because these Rituals, Traditions, and Ceremonies do over time become Dry and Lifeless, more like some big spiritual mind game being played, where the person has to keep doing these Rituals, Traditions, and Ceremonies to stay connected.
      Everything in the Church is geared to functioning within the Church setting, and not in obtaining and growing in the knowledge of God. “Walking in the Christian Faith”

      It becomes very easy for Catholics to gravitate towards the lies of the New Age Movement. Because they have been indoctrinated into believing that Protestantism is a false Religion, being Anti Catholic, therefore they have nowhere to go. But the teachings of the New Age, are compatible, they are not Anti Catholic, to the contrary these teachings are All Inclusive (Universal), as the Catholic Church is. But then again it becomes nothing more than a trading of one set of Rituals, for another. These too become Lifeless after a time. God allows this journey to take place, when He is drawing us, we have a choice to make, for some this is all part of coming to the truth.

      But by Gods’ Grace, through a natural event such as the birth of a Grandchild, God drew her to you, where she would finally hear the truth. She was only Spiritually hungry, because of the Drawing of the Holy Spirit, where she would then have the opportunity to experience the New Birth.
      You have said:
      “If she has repented, and is truly re-born”

      It is at this point, I ask.
      1) Was she ever Baptized, after accepting Jesus as her Savior?
      Baptism is a crucial element of our New Birth, as a matter of fact it is only through Baptism that one does become Born Again, (New Birth) (New Creation).
      When we accept Jesus as Savior, we attain Forgiveness of Sins, but it takes Baptism to become Born Again.

      Joh 3:5
      Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

      Rom 6:3-5
      3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
      4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in (NEWNESS OF LIFE).
      5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, (WE SHALL BE ALSO IN THE LIKNESS OF HIS RESURRECTION):

      Therefore if she was never Baptized, she has been standing in essence, in her own strength, and her strength was not sufficient to stand in the truth she was given.
      Of course she is now happy, she feels as though she has come home, after a long journey, she more than likely feels assured she had the truth all along, and it was just herself that made her walk away.

      The weekly Bible study she attends, is not the same as you would attend in the Church you go to, or even like the ones she went to at her other Church.
      The Bible study of the Catholic Church, is orchestrated to bring everything back into reconciliation with the Churches OWN Teachings, Rituals, Traditions, and Ceremonies. ie, How to be a good “Catholic”
      The Catechism of the Catholic Church is used in Conjunction with the Bible in a bible study such as she is attending, but the Catechism has the ultimate Authority, because it is actually the Church speaking what it has Interpreted the Bible to say (Mean). Through the Infallibility of the Popes, who were inspired to Interpret it.

      Catechism of the Catholic Church……….Wikipedia
      A significant achievement of John Paul II was the publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Its purpose, according to the Pope’s Apostolic Constitution Fidei Depositum was to be “a statement of the Church’s faith and of Catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition and the Church’s Magisterium.” He declared “it to be a sure norm for teaching the faith” to “serve the renewal” of the Church.

      This Catechism, is used as the absolute authority of the Catholic Church, as handed down by Pope John Paul II. Because the Church believes.

      2Pe 1:20
      Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

      Therefore the Catholic Church will and does Interpret what the Bible teaches, and how these teachings relate to the people and Catholic Church.

      To answer your question on whether or not it matters where she attends Church.
      We as Protestants cannot say the Catholic Church is Anti Christ, they do teach Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Take a look at what is called the Apostles Creed. After reading it, is there anything you would add, or take out to be more compatible with YOUR OWN thinking?

      I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth;
      and in Jesus Christ, His only Begotten Son, our Lord:
      Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary;
      suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell;
      the third day He rose again from the dead;
      He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
      from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
      I believe in the Holy Spirit, the HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

      The use of the Holy Catholic Church is the only thing I would remove, everything else, are all things I personally do believe.
      But even the use of the Holy Catholic Church, can be understood as the Universal Church of Jesus Christ, or in other words, the Body of Christ, as we Protestants understand the Body of Christ to comprise the true believers in Christ regardless of Religion, or Denomination, but those that profess Christ in Spirit and in Truth are accounted as Children.

      1Jn 2:22
      Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

      1Jn 4:3
      And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

      2Jn 1:7
      For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

      In closing, the only thing that bothers me would be, was she Baptized after she accepted Christ?
      If she has not, she can never have the full power of the Holy Spirit working in her life.

      Luk 17:21
      Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
      Rom 14:17
      For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

      I hope this helps you
      Be Blessed
      JIM

    • sangrar-el-amor says:

      Hey Beloved…I know your question was directed to Michael & TL, so I hope it’s ok to chime in w/ my .02 cents.

      We, as Christians, sometimes over-think and complicate the simplicity of God’s Grace and His plan for Salvation. The truth is that it’s very simple…so simple even a child can understand it. It seems the two ‘biggies’ that people unnecessarily complicare are salvation and grace and this normally comes from two sources: 1) people who get their validation, sense of identity and self-esteem from perceiving themselves as deep scholarly thinkers. 2) People who work hard in their flesh to “not sin” and are appalled and offended on God’s behalf and judge others by their own sense of reason, fairness and justice rather than Gods.

      That said,
      If we consider the simplicity of the Gospel of Jesus, and if your MIL was “truly born again”, then whatever “church” she attends does not and will not determine if she is truly saved or born again. I agree with Jim, it’s NOT a very good idea to ‘hang with heretics’ (note: I’m not quoting Jim and I hope thats not too harsh an expression.) when receiving spiritual training, encouragement, mentoring and indoctrination.

      In Jn3:3, Jesus said to Nicky-dee, “…, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

      He did not say, “Except a man “Skips Mass”, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” One could argue that if someone regularly attends Catholic Mass they must have “not really” been born again, but me thinks thats not a very good position to take….any more than telling Paul, (paraphrased), “if he doesn’t do the things he wants to do and does the things he doesn’t want to do’, then he’s not really born again!

      Finally,
      You have more answers inside you than you might think. If you look to your own experience, as described in your original question, you’ll find a perfect example of Gaining Wisdom from Experience plus the answer to your question.

      In your original question you said that, ” I myself understand a bit about Catholicism. After I was born again,(Sort of a Damascus road experience) I went through a long period of searching for the “right” church.Having no knowledge of all the different points of view within Christianity, I was confused. I have studied many of these differing schools of thought,from fundamentalism, liberalism, mainstream,fringe ,ending with a serious inquiry into the Catholic Faith.I was almost convinced that I had found the “fullness of truth”.Within Catholic apologetics,there seems to be an answer to all the different beliefs they hold.But, it becomes exhaustive,and the simplicity of the Gospel is lost.”

      You said it yourself, ‘you went to the catholic church “after” you were born again and you “almost fell in”!

      So that proves you can go to the Catholic Church and be Born Again….why would the same basic principle not apply to your MIL?

      More than any thing, I loved the last part of what you said, ” …, it becomes exhaustive,and the simplicity of the Gospel is lost.” Amen ~ Sister!

      Agape Love to You – SEA

      • Thanks for your .02 cents! SEA .Agape Love right back to you!
        Beloved

      • That’s so cool SEA! I was scanning the recent stuff and the cathalic thing got my attention because I lived in the UK for a long time and there are lots of cathalics there! I always wondered if they were christians like me or not but didn’t want to asks because I thought it might be rude.So anyway your response about what church they go to not making them unchristian answered my old question! I thought it was really cool how you recongnised how the person that wrote the question answered it themselves so you didn’t have to be preachy or anything cause they already knew the answer! I won’t say it’s only worth .02 cents tho- cause to me it seems like a whole lot more! I only wanted to say that…anyway, I’m glad to be back on the blog and God Bless
        ps. the way your writing sounds seems familiar, do I know you? pm me if I’m right ok bye!

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