Confused on idolatry and catholicism?

It’s me again 😀
…Ive been reading some post’s regarding idolatry and i’ve come to a conclusion that catholics might be considered the most “idolaters”.

I’M CATHOLIC…BUT…am starting to see idolatry in my denomination and I disagree with it.

A few questions…

1)”Basilica of Guadalupe” in Mexico City
-Literally thousands of people have claimed to have prayed to her and received miracles from her. I’ve seen and heard testimonies about her and how this Virgin Mary has helped people. IM CONFUSED! HELP ME!
If it’s really that bad to pray to an image, than how ON EARTH can people claim to receive miracles from praying to her.?! How can people be able to recover from diseases, walk again, and even change their life…by praying and having faith to her???…Isn’t God the one you’re supposed to have ALL your faith within???

*INTERESTING FACT:
-I once was praying to God for a pd. of 9 days for peace within my relationship (due to the fact there was a certain person stalking and bothering my girl so MUCH)…so at the 8th or 9th day, i was in the church praying, and before I exited, I saw the image of the Virgin Of Guadalupe, (desperate me,) I went over and prayed to her (I did not bow down) I explained how desperate I was for God to hear me, and If he actually was going to help me, and when would my prayers be answered, and if she did exist to help me(I was crying b/c I was so desperate) AND I SWEAR…i heard a voice in my head tell me in spanish
“Paciencia hijo mio, paciencia.Dios te escucha.” which means :”Patience my son, have patience.God hears you.” I WAS SHOCKED! I was beginning to lose faith in God, but when I hear her, I DID NOTlose my faith, on the contrary, my faith in HIM was much stronger!

If it’s REALLY that bad to pray to an image of the Virgin Mary,then why would I hear her telling me in my head to be patient with God for he’ll answer my prayers…MIRACOUSLY-or-COINCIDENTALLY…a few days later my girl told me the guy that was bothering her, went back to Mexico. So there I had my peace that I had so been asking for from God… 🙂

….GOD DID HEAR MY PRAYERS. FOR I WAS PRAYING SO DESPARATE TO >HIM<..AND I JUST ASKED AN IMAGE OF THE VIRGIN MARY FOR HELP...AND SHE GAVE ME THE ADVICE...AND A FEW DAYS LATER MY PRAYERS WERE INDEED ANSWERED. ALSO....! I have a friend whose mother had passed away and he was confused to as of whether or not praying to saints and mary for help is bad...and he was in a deep emotional mess b/c of that. and he too claims and swears that his mom appeared to him and told him that he should not be confused, for the saints and mary are there to help us, and that God never abandon us.....SO PRAYING TO SAINTS AND THE VIRGIN MARY ISNT BAD...OR IS IT? YOU SEE...IM SO CONFUSED ON THIS MATTER!!!!!!!!!! Is praying to an image bad or not?!?!?!? If it is bad...then MY experience within the church with the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe...would have NOT told me to be patient with God for he indeed is listening to me...AND if it was bad then my friend's mother wouldnt have revealed ot him that message... And there again...i go confused 🙁

What do YOU think?

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  1. Redbuck40 says:

    Firstly I would suggest that you don’t measure the truth on your experience. Just because good came from it, doesn’t mean that God sent it. The end doesn’t justify the means.

    Although in no way do I agree with the practice of a praying towards a statue there is a big difference between a graven image and a statue. But a statue can become a graven image if it is worshiped or given any special treatment that is denotes power.

    A graven image has been crafted for the purpose of representing a god-like figure, or as a representation of what that god does. For example some have said that the Washington monument is a phallic symbol. A symbol that may have been used the world over in worship of fertility gods. Others have said that they symbolise a sun’s ray, and are a representation of the sun god Ra.

    Most statues today are memorials that are in no way connected with worship.

    Everyone who is a avid reader of scripture knows that there is only one mediator between Father God and mankind, his son Jesus. So where does the practice of praying to Mary and the saints come from? It comes from inference.

    Firstly the reason (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08070a.htm): When one prays to God, one may not hear from him because our lives are not important enough, but if one who is far more holy (a saint or angel) prays the prayer might be answered. The short answer, it is like asking a friend to pray. They don’t pray TOO the person but rather ASK for help from the person. (This answer is summary of the article) But one must ask, how does one ask a dead person?

    Now the problem: The theory of praying to saints is from verses of the scripture either twisted to prove the point or ripped out of a context that has nothing to do with the subject. For example:
    Job 5:1 “Call now, is there anyone who will answer you? And to which of the saints will you turn?”
    Zech 1:12-13 “Then the Angel of Jehovah answered and said, O Jehovah of Hosts, how long will You not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah against which You have cursed these seventy years? And Jehovah answered the angel who talked with me with good words, comfortable words.” From which is derived that angels pray for us.
    Rev 8:3-4 “And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer. And many incenses were given to him, so that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints on the golden altar before the throne. And the smoke of the incense which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God from the angel’s hand.” But since the supporters only acknowledge that saints can only be such after they are dead, then this must be proof of their prayers. In scripture one does not need to die to be a saint, they just need to be reborn to be one, and to go further when a saint dies they don’t cease to be, they continue as a saint, put nothing is said to imply that the prayers in Revelation were coming from dead ones.

    Most of what is called “proof” for the use of prayer to saints comes from men reinterpreting or reorganizing statements by other men who agreed with the premise to begin with.

    That being said there is not one example of anyone in scripture actually praying to God through a dead person. But we were taught how to pray:

    So, then, you should pray this way: Our Father who is in Heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come; Your will be done, as it is in Heaven, also on the earth. Give us today our daily bread, and forgive us our debts as we also forgive our debtors. And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil, for Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory to the ages. Amen.
    (Mat 6:9-13)

    Also we were taught further:
    “… whatever you may ask in My Name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My Name, I will do it. If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will petition the Father, and He will give you …”
    (Joh 14)

    We are taught to pray, but only to the Father, and only through the Name of Jesus.

    As for your question, “is it bad?” The answer is yes, but not only bad but very dangerous.

    Dangerous how, you may ask?

    The catholic understanding of angels and saints lead them to venerate them, to exalt them above mere man. The act of veneration is accomplished by prayers, reverence and awe.

    The very things that we are told to do towards only one: The Father, The Lord God Almighty.

    “But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father …”
    (Mat 6:6)

    “…by which we may serve God pleasingly, with reverence and awe; for also, Our God is a consuming fire.”
    (Heb 12:28-29)

    Father God, did not institute the practice(of prayers to saints and angels), nor does he want anyone else to steal his glory, that glory he has given it to only one, our Lord Jesus, and when all is accomplish, the glory and authority will be returned so that “God may be all in all”.

    You cannot enhance the worship of God, or even his actions by traditions handed down by men of religion.

    Indeed Jesus said something on this point: “…making the Word of God to have no effect by your traditions.”

  2. Satan can perform are apparitions, signs and wonders. 2 Corinthians 11:13-14 says that Satan CAN ASSUME the form of an angel of light and so can his demons! Remember Satan always wanted glory! He doesn’t want people to know the Lord Jesus Christ! So what does he do? He can use graven images to keep people in bondage to whatever religion they are in. Another is when he can cause insane delusions like false visions which inspired many quack jobs like the Jehovah’s Witness.

    He can also assume the form of the Catholic Queen of Heaven in these last days. Catholics can lie all they want, that “Mary” here is not asking the people to worship her when in fact, Satan in this guise is asking for WORSHIP when he requests a chapel to be built in the honor of “Mary”. The words can’t be any clearer. The seemingly living image is NOT of God but a miracle of Satan (Revelation 13:13-15). Worse, in the cathedrals there are signs and wonders which like the flashes in the ceiling. Sadly a female devotee attacks Baptists saying, “If this miracle is of Satan, how can this happen in the one true church?” They are blinded by demons and Satan has done a good job again!

    • 1111Christian says:

      You are correct, satan can perform apparitions, signs and wonders. So can God, and anyone God allows to do His miracles, signs, and apparitions. Jesus did many signs and miracles so that people may come to believe and have faith. The apostles did many signs and miracles after Jesus ascended into heaven. Even just the shadow of Peter healed many people (Acts 5:12). There have been millions of miracles in the church Christ founded. If it is a miracle that humbles you to God and strengthens your faith, enjoy it, and give praise to God for His gift. God will always do great wonders and signs, greater than satan. The Catholic shrines are built to honor the work that God has done through His family, not to take away from God, but to glorify His work. After all, is God not present with those who abided in Him and gave up everything to follow Him ? Many willingly gave their life because of their faith. These are Catholic role models, not rock bands, sports stars, movie stars, etc… Be careful calling the work of God the work of satan. There were many who thought Christ was satan.

  3. Hi Thankfulson,

    The Scriptures says:

    1Timothy 2:5  For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus

    The Roman Catholic church wants to make Mary the mother of Jesus into another mediator or mediatrix, but this goes AGAINST the teaching of the Scriptures.

    When we go against the Scriptures, we are opening the door for spirits of deception to deceive us. The Bible says:

    2Co 11:14  And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.


    This means that Satan has the power to make himself look angelic and holy.

    The idea that we need departed Christians to talk to God for us undermines the high priestly ministry of Jesus Christ.

    Heb 10:19  Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus,
    Heb 10:20  by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,
    Heb 10:21  and having a High Priest over the house of God,
    Heb 10:22  let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

    We can enter the Holiest of all by the Blood of Jesus Christ. The Blood of Jesus gives the repentant trusting Christian ACCESS to the throne of God.

    You can ask anything if you are living close to God and His Word remains in you. John 15:7

    There are a lot of Scriptures in the Book of Hebrews pointing out that Jesus has given us access to God without the need for a human priestly system or the intercession of others.

    Please search the Scriptures and see if these things be so.

    God may at times overlook the ignorant foolishness of people who do not know better and bless them because of their love for Him. But actually God is now calling people everywhere to repent.

    Jesus said: If you abide in My Word, you are my disciples indeed, and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (John 8:31,32).

  4. Joshuagm1991 says:

    Pleased that you have learned the truth on idolatry.

    Your first question I can answer:

    Remember when God gave Moses the power to preform miracles, the magicians could mimic them with a counterfeit from Satan. – “Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.”

    I’m going to let the word of God speak for itself on those questions.

    Leviticus 26:1 “‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God.”

    Exodus 20:4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.”

    Deuteronomy 4:16 “so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman”

    In regards to the sounds you heard – That was a spirit of confusion, and he did just that, didn’t he?

    Praise Yahweh for teaching you! Repent, for the kingdom of God is near.

    In love and Yeshua,
    Joshua

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