Christian role in Government

We as Christians declare our undying loyalty, love and allegiance to God.
But every time it comes to placing our supposed Faith in the one true God, the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and the Creator of the Universe, we opt out on our Faith, by once again placing Our Faith in the power of the Political Party of “OUR” choice, the Candidate of that chosen Political Party, and the Voting Booth.
We declare we have been given this right to vote by our forefathers, and we should never abuse this privilege, by neglecting to vote. We have 2 yrs. until our next elections, are we going to place Our Trust in man again, or place Our Faith in God?
Just take a look at the following scriptures.

1Sa 8:5-7
5) And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.
6) But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.
7) And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

Read all of the chapter and hear what God said their King would be like, our Government is no different today, it is as corrupt as God was telling the Israelites their King would be.

2Ch 7:13,14
13) If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;
14) If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

I know, everyone uses these verses, but the difference is, I am saying that these prayers need to be from all Christians in the country. We need to acknowledge our SIN, which is the failure of placing Our Trust in God, we need to humble ourselves, by placing our Faith and Hope in God, rather than the Political Parties, and System devised by man.
We have to withdraw from all involvement with any Political System, by turning in our voters registration cards, and having our names expunged from the voting rolls, by doing this we are then REPENTING of the evil, and making a stand for God.
Remember the Jews said “make us a king to judge us like all the nations”.
We say we want God to rule us, or even that He does, but Do we really want God to rule us?

When Jesus was asked a question He said
Mat 22:17
Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?

Mat 22:20
20) And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21) They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

God has already told us what our position toward Government should be.

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Our Government is corrupt, and advocates Abortion, that in itself should be enough for any Christian to never in any why want to be connected to it, we should be praying for Government, not participating in it.

1Pe 2:13-17
13) Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14) Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15) For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
16) As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
17) Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and “WE” shall reign on the earth.

1Ti 2:1-4
1) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2) For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3) For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Pro 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Are we mourning yet?
This verse doesn’t mean we should be participating in Government, but praying for it.

Let us then take that Authority given us by God, Praying for our Government, for that is our position, we are the Priests offering up to God the Prayers for those He has placed into Authority over us.
All Authority in the Earth is Gods’ and comes from God, God chooses whom He will give His Authority to, He decides who will rise and fall to fulfill His purposes in the Earth, not us by voting. He decides who will be King and who will loose his Kingdom, look at the story of Nebuchadnessar.

GOD HAS GIVEN “US” THE AUTHORITY, WE SHOULD EXERCISE THAT AUTHORITY BY PRAYING.

What do YOU think?

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  1. lookinforacity says:

    WHOEVER

    I would like an explanation as to why My posts to a certain person, that were in this exact spot last night when I posted them, were deleted.
    I answered questions that were in relation to a blog I had posted originally. This persons posts remain, while mine on the other hand have been deleted. It appears as though I have done something to offend as well.
    He asked questions that no one else asked, that were pertinent to my blog.

    When someone’s post is going to be deleted, they should be notified, unless the post was so offensive it needed to be deleted immediately.

    I personally am not a particularly fast typist, I use the tried and true two finger, hunt and peck method, this takes me considerable time to compose anything.

    I was not notified, there was nothing wrong with my posts, I was not given a chance to correct, or in my case copy, because I do not keep copies of my posts, I have always figured they were here for me to refer back to. Now all of the work and time I put into the posts are gone. But the person who was just booted off the forum HIS posts to my blog remain.

    If it seems there is a tone to this post, there is.

    How about deleting every post he made to anyone, and also deleting every post in return to him, as well as any blogs that were posted that still remain. This way we can say HE never existed in our midst.

    JIM

    • I didn't unpublish or delete posts, but one of the moderators may have.

      When someone's comment or post is unpublished or deleted, all replies to it also disappear.

      This is actually a good argument for having FLAT COMMENTS, not nested comments.

      What do you and others think?

      • lookinforacity says:

        HI
        Thank you Michael

        Be Blessed
        JIM

      • jesseedavis says:

        What is your email address, Michael? I have a document I’d like you to look at that has a proposed site map on it as well as a couple of thoughts that might help.

    • Timothy Luke says:

      Hey Jim, if you look in your inbox, I believe I wrote you to let you know the posts were unpublished and why. It was not that you had done anything wrong, it is that I have unpublished a number of em's posts after a certain point, and I did not wish to have questions aimed at him when he was not in a position to respond. The rest is in your message box… retraction… I double checked the message box and do not see record of my letter being sent… my bad.

      The gist was, feel free to post it as a blog or new post without addressing em. It had nothing to do with your content, it was simply me trying to end the dialog aspect of it when the other party was not able to respond.

  2. anonymous-em says:

    Ah – I already read this blog, but alethesia re-highlighted it.
    I have a burning question about it, so I might ask it – again, my question comes from an “external” perspective – i.e. not Christian, nor in fact, any religion, faith or belief.

    The opening section of this blog:
    “….[we must act] by once again placing Our Faith in the power of the Political Party of “OUR” choice, the Candidate of that chosen Political Party, and the Voting Booth.
    We declare we have been given this right to vote by our forefathers, and we should never abuse this privilege, by neglecting to vote. We have 2 yrs. until our next elections, are we going to place Our Trust in man again, or place Our Faith in God?”

    I’ll take my first simple point here first:
    “We declare we have been given this right to vote by our forefathers…”
    on what grounds is this declaration made? perhaps that might depend on who the forefathers are? – If we consider jefferson et al. then while the usa may have been founded WITH Christian principals, it was certainly NOT founded with the intention of being a “Christian” country, in fact, the consitution was formed with the explicit intent of divorcing church from state – ostensibly to protect the citizens from religious abuse by the state.

    I wonder if anyone is prepared to comment on this observation – that the individual needs to be protected from religious abuse by the state?
    I suspect that in general, people here do NOT agree that religion should not form part of law policy (I’m talking about religion here, not self-evident crimes against humans or humanity!).

    I’d appreciate people’s answer before I continue, but if I get positive responses, I’ll later on ask people what they might think if, for example, buddhism was enforced by law. – LATER!!!.

    many thanks.

    • jesseedavis says:

      “If we consider jefferson et al. then while the usa may have been founded WITH Christian principals, it was certainly NOT founded with the intention of being a “Christian” country, in fact, the consitution was formed with the explicit intent of divorcing church from state – ostensibly to protect the citizens from religious abuse by the state.”

      The best resource I can give you is a set of DVD’s by David Barton called The American Heritage Series. I’m not expecting you to put that kind of money and effort into a simple question, so I’ll put a couple of links to some video’s that can sum it up for you.

      If you will, check these videos out:
      http://www.awmi.net/tv/2010/week25
      http://www.awmi.net/tv/2010/week26

      They’re each a series of 5 videos, and you’ll have to excuse a bit of repetitiveness as its an online stream of a T.V. series.

      • anonymous-em says:

        Thanks jessee

        I am going to spend a little time viewing these videos – however can I make a request too?
        When asking somone which car to buy, I generally don’t ask a car salesman, since they’ll tell me that the best car is one that THEY have in stock, right not, step up and pay and drive.

        What I like to do is visit an external source – somone who is explicitly objective about cars and what they have to offer – i.e. I question an impartial resource.

        Admittedly, there are almost NO impartial resources for most topics, but I think that it’s reasonably simple to consult an objective history textbook to validate my point, and not an apologetics site that (necessarily) explicitly seeks to present sell the car they have on the floor.

        ugh.. okay again I know this post sounds condescending, but I can’t convey my point properly – I know you know about car salesmen, I’m just using an easy example to show why apologetic sites are not very good as impartial resources – that’s really my point.
        anyhow, thanks for your post, I’ll watch the movies.

        • jesseedavis says:

          😀 I’ll admit I got a laugh from that, but anyways…

          Two things…First, I may have misunderstood you, but what was your request? I’ll refrain from assumptions and just be patient and wait for your answer.

          Second, I’ll continue to use the car salesmen analogy. If I went to the dealership, of course the salesmen would try to sell me anything and everything as long as he has it, but as a potential customer, I’d also have the right (privilege?) to do my own investigating. I could look under the hood, sit in the car, take it for a drive that would generally be long enough to hear all the noises and feel it out a bit, and make my own decision regardless of his “salesmenship.”

          Ok, I’ll bring it to reality. David Barton’s ministry, WallBuilders, has in its library a list of historical documents equipped with pictures of the document and a typed form of texts. From watching those videos I included in my previous comment, he holds up quite a number of originals and copies of the actual documents. Whether the source is a textbook, original manuscript/document, or a set of DVD’s, I’d be sure to do my own research, as well.

    • lookinforacity says:

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  3. alethesia dipsos says:

    Thank you very much for this post! I confess to getting caught up during election time and stressing over the outcomes.
    I am convicted and humbled. Thank you for allowing God to work in and through you. Praise be to God!
    God bless you!
    Neil

  4. I like what you said here because youbrought up some good points here.To many people like to put their trust in man and not God so I can see your point of view and I want to thank you for sharing this.

  5. Timothy Luke says:

    Jim, I am not deluded (if I were deluded, I would surely know enough to tell you I was… right?!) enough to think that my vote is the ultimate decidor in elections. Each election cycle brings me to a point of prayer for mercy. God moves the heart of the people to set up whomsoever He wills. You will also notice that while God warned against Saul, He also anointed David and his successors to rule over Israel.

    I think political activism is where we get off track. We need to make our voice heard when it comes to our faith, but we must not strive in the system. When it comes down to it, our confidence is that whoever is elected, the one whose vote placed them in office sits on the throne of Heaven. Some are put there for our peace…. "pray for the peace of Jerusalem" and "pray for those who have the rule over you, that you may have peace." And some are placed there for judgment… but it is God who does the placing. In the meantime, I think there is a healthy way to discuss what our rulers should be like and to encourage integrity among those who run for office.

    We could judge righteous Daniel for allowing himself to be placed as ruler over gentile empires and overseeing the magicians, of all things. Why did he not remove himself from the political system of his day? God does not automatically discount us for involvement in politics by voting, in my opinion, but he does look at our hearts and sees if we are trusting in our puny voice and vote, or on His righteous ballot, to place man in office.

    • I have heard the comment from time to time “One group of sinners replaced with another”. But that is not entirely true is it.

      There are many christians – I use the term loosely – who have chosen this life for themselves. Were they placed in their by God? Only they know. If the employment is not illegal or immoral then there is not a reason why a christian can’t do it in my mind.

      For those who want to deny certain vocations that are neither illegal nor immoral, where will they stop. Is it right for a christian to be a police officer, or soldier, or a officer in the courts, to be a butcher, baker or candlestick maker?

      I am so happy that Father does not place on us those restrictions that many others do, indeed when John the Baptist or Jesus met anyone who could have been in the wrong jobs, the soldiers or the tax collectors, neither said to leave the position. All they did say was prove your repentance by your deeds.

      There is not even a hint as to whether these priests were to leave their only source of income: “The word of God continued to spread, and the number of disciples in Jerusalem grew very large. A large number of priests accepted the faith.” (Act 6:7)

      I think that people should leave the speculation to unbelievers and we should be known as those who stand-fast to the scriptures in writ and spirit.

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