CHRIST NET.

Hey people,

Calling all christian software developers
and IT people!

I have a question for you all. What im about to say is uttley stupid, though I believe that this could be one of the “most powerful” elements added to the internet. Image if there was one “christian network”. This network allows for communication between all the churches around the world! Imagine if there was this single network, that churches around the globe could share information? Users at home could go and get the latest “pod cast’s” off hillsong, in a couple of minutes? This network would have to be built on the existing internet, but also it’s smart so it can effectually cluster, mirror and so forth. From what i have determined it would require the following:

– Server.
– Networking side. Routing, Authenticaion, Network transmission encryption.
– Encryption Engine. Using a “new” cypher techiquie.
– Secure Remote Control Engine.
– Client.

Im asking for any responses because i know the massiveness of this task. Oh i forgot, this software must be free and is multi-platform.

What do you think?

Wogboy222.

What do YOU think?

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  1. Yes,

    Now firstly i have an answer for that following question.
    1. Record Companies can use the network for SECURE and Viral-free music. A bit like limewire, though I don’t agree with limewire in it’s ability to pirate it’s music it’s an ingenious solution to different problems. Ok say CHRIST.NET is network, but what is the difference to the internet? Well I’ll ask you a question. Why do we have network’s? Why don’t we remain ingorent of each other? Why when we have a problem we can’t just talk to a pastor without the need for a phone call?

    2. JessieDavis. Can you simplify what your saying. Thakyou.

    3. Ok i was battling with this solution, because each Christian’s have their different aspects of their beliefs. Some are conservative, while others are more loose. Firstly we can’t control people who can come in and out so i’ve come up with a soulution with that. Ok. There are several problems with this, but i belive it is the best way to control it. What i have though of are 3 types of ONE server.

    Now to prevent cults and secular groups and “bad” people from attacking the network, instead as the user “signing” up on the website, ORGANIZATION and CHURCHES sign up and then the are “Validated”. You’ll understand why when yo read down.

    1. Local Server. This software is installed on the “church” computers, where the church administrators configure it. Now the local server the chruch administrators can adjust their server’s to their “statement of faith”. Now it makes more sence instead of ‘any old users’ can connect. What happens if they can go through the church or the local school? Then from that the user has the option to adjust it to their own “beliefs” so they will be only exposed to that kinda content. Thirdly what i though would be really good for these local server’s it that they can be optionally “clustered” within “their statements of faith” thus improving response time. These cluster’s would uterlise a “rolling algorithm” that the server’s use to securely communicate. This would prevent hacking and “Man in the middle Attacks”.
    2. Regional Server. These servers would be responsible for clustering within the region’s. These servers would also be responsible for “caching”, to improve speed. These servers are also have the ability to provide local DNS.
    3. The Global Server. The main and only role for the global servers are to provide “national” DNS queries and they govern the DNS queries.

    3. There are other problems such as “exploitation” of the network and i have a solution to that. If the content cannot be read and there is not specific reason, then the information is simply dropped without any reply. This prevents unauthorized “tunneling”.
    4. Because of the differences of the servers. There has to be 3 types of systems admins.
    5. For all you people thinking that this will segregate ourselves we must remember in a way yes, but i believe we could offer a “Internet Based Side”, for “unbelievers” in which there is information on it, but you have to “sign up, through your local church”. There is another reason why this network should be created. What will happen when Christan’s start being persecuted and we are forced of hide?
    6. Now i know about “influencing” people and believe you
    me it’s something that you DON’T want to do. This has to be that we are not forcing the bible on them in a way that they are “forced” to accept god. Yes it’s good to have it here and there, but remember what Paul said “But we were gentle among you, just as a nursing mother cherishes her own children”

    that’s what WE must do. Influence is out of question. We must be active but caring, because you CANNOT force someone to come to god, it MUST be the opposite. Anyway any more questions?

    • jesseedavis says:

      It will end up being another form of separation from the world around us. Eventually, everything Christian will be on these instead of on WWW.

    • Please remember that this is NOT to replace the internet. Try to visualize this for example as a WAN in which say “Hillsong” Syndey wanted to connect to other churches infrastructure in Darwin to song license information while providing a semi-permanent connection to update song licenses. It would be easier do that with this software.

      Another example: Imagine if you wanted had files and folders at another church but you were preaching at a massive youth rally. You could instead of having you computer set up and configure all that information, you could just go through the network.

      What about student’s at home that wanto log into school and check their status of ‘their’ assignments. You have to get the VPN software that allows to connect and try get a student to do some savvy IT work. It’s hard.

      Do you understand what I’m trying to get at?

      The http element must of confused you. HTTP would be the form of the “fount end”. From that it would be powered by the client. Yes that is true for that, but don’t we have networks in the world that connect different “cooperation’s”. This software allows churches to connect to a “single network”. This tool in no way could replace the normal internet and that would never be the case. There will be still christian-faith.com but under that Christians can use the network to get access to information quicker and faster. See you have so many “virtual” networks across the world. You have the “File sharing networks and protocol’s”, “Department of Defense”. Is it about time that we created a network?

      Wogboy222

      • jesseedavis says:

        So is this a software or a system like the world wide web (www.) or is it similar to say a network server at a company?

      • Yes excatly this software is a networking software, and isn’t a system. Though this software due to it’s varstness “needs” a system for it to work correctly.

  2. jesseedavis says:

    Yes this is true. I am afraid I cannot agree with you on the part of the schools and the music industries. I understand what you mean, but it just doesn’t make sense to me.

    “State run schools have an excellent track record of diminishing/extinguishing the faith of the young impressionable minds. It is difficult to make the argument about salt and light when the result we are seeing is that we are asking our children to be front line ambassadors for Christ and pit them against ADULTS. This is abusive.

    Our schools now must secretly provide faulty birth control to impulsive teens, who are told to give in to their passions and also to be responsible enough to slow down and use condoms, DUH. When the condoms fail – because they are second rate products given by an abortion industry who gets paid thousands per conception to kill conceived children – our daughters are counselled to not tell their parents because the ‘would not understand,’ and then secreted to abortion mills to rip out the precious child that is in them.

    When our daughters become quiet and suicidal and we can’t reach them, who stands up and says, ‘Hey maybe its the abortion we performed’? No one. So, we make them vulnerable to an abusive system that not only destroys their faith, but their lives and has ZERO accountability.

    If you, the reader, send your kids to public school, do not deceive yourself into thinking it is so they can be a light in the darkness. Pray fervently for them and keep the communication WIDE OPEN on what they are learning and doing with their friends. Be extra vigilant to give them the love they need and teach them God’s ways. If you are sending them to be a light, then pull them out while you can. It will work the other way. We are told to avoid certain types, not live with them 35+ hours a week. We do not marry unbelievers to make them believers, do we?”

    Let me clear this up, I never suggested sending the kids out to do this. That is a suicide mission. Yes, public schools are HORRIBLE, but are Christian schools any better? No, you still have sex, drugs and alcohol. You still have the teachings of secular society, like evolution. The only difference, is it is milder and much more subtle. The problem I was addressing is that parents shirk their responsibility of raising/teaching their kids with Biblical/Godly principles to “Christian” schools. What my point was in the first place was that we as whole are trying to separate ourselves from the world, period.

    “When it comes to recording music, I don’t believe reality works the way you have suggested brother. You cannot “make” producers produce something they do not like. I have a friend, Caspar McCloud whose testimony is on here, who had a recording deal with a major record company, Atlantic if I recall. When he became a Christian he began submitting Christian songs instead of the music he had sent previously. did they record it? No. They shelved it and counted their investment capital in his contract as lost money. They did not produce Christian music.”

    First, I just want to say that there has always been Christians among secular industries. To say that every producer would reject every Christian piece ever written, is to deny the power of God. It truly is, because that is the kind of stuff recorded throughout history that has been big for the Kingdom of Heaven. Second, just because it would be a seemingly impossible fight, does not mean we should not fight it. America would not be here, if Christians did that and neither would the Church. The point I was trying to make, again had nothing to do with being a salt and light, it was that we should stop separating ourselves from them. If we keep building this wall, then not only do we have the world rejecting it and fighting against it, but we have a big wall that we have to climb over in order to even get to an unbeliever.

    “Sometimes we think that it is “our” fault the world is not saved. Guess what? We don’t like to preach in the world because the world does not give us a warm reception! The world is not saved because they have rejected the message. The view that “if we could only somehow say it better then people would believe,” is false. How do I know? Could Jesus have said it any better? No. Was he received? Yes, and No. He was murdered by a mob and yet only 120 were there to tarry on Pentecost. We must not allow ourselves to be codependent with the world. We are to reach, teach and preach to each the message that there is a Savior who came to deliver them from sin and its carnage. We aren’t to be analyzing the response and reformatting the message. This makes it weak and though many may ‘accept Jesus’ and say the prayer, are they really saved? Or did we just pad our personal evangelism statistics for self glory?”

    It is our fault. Honestly, it is. Hear me out, though. It is NOT our fault that the world rejects the message. It is NOT our fault that the world hates Jesus and the Gospel. However, it IS our fault that we don’t even say a word about it! We say nothing out of fear, and now we even go so far as to change the message to take away conflict and persecution. This my friend is DEFINITELY our fault.

    “Jesus said the gospel of the Kingdom will “be preached into all the world, and then shall the end come.” It is preached as a witness against unbelievers in the day of wrath, as well as to draw, save, heal and deliver those who believe. Jesus, through Daniel, said the beast would make war against the saints and have power over them until the return of the Lord.”

    This is true.

    “There is no formula that will make this world believe. Often the Church gets frustrated and accuses itself. How many churches blame all the other churches for not getting the message out? Some go further and preach the rest of the Church is full of error? We keep shooting at ourselves and the world watches in amusement. Sin in the church has made fools of us all. Only Jesus Christ and Him crucified can save us and the world we are reaching out to – not formulas. Can we preach the Gospel better? You bet. But only by looking at our own part, not being busybodies with how everyone else is doing it. I am far from perfect in this, so I will keep working the beam out.”

    Again, it is our fault. However, I agree that we have crossed a line and now we point the finger, yet still don’t do it ourselves. All we are doing is hurting ourselves, instead of doing it right and working with each other to get it done.

    Sin in the Church has not made a fool of us, what has made a fool of us all is the fact that some of us, a lot of us go about with the “holier than thou” attitude and then turn around and do the same thing the world does. THAT MAKES A FOOL OF US ALL. We put ourselves above everything including Jesus and Him crucified, and then fall down, that makes a fool out of us all. Sin is something inevitable and is something everyone commits. I understand the world points fingers at us when we do sin, but that my Brother, makes Jesus and Him crucified more powerful and effective.

    “We are told to avoid certain types, not live with them 35+ hours a week. We do not marry unbelievers to make them believers, do we? We must not allow ourselves to be codependent with the world.”

    What about the Apostles? Or Jesus? They spent MOST of their time with the world. They taught that we should be in the world. No we do not join to them, but when did I suggest we do that? Not allowing ourselves to codependent with the world is a mistake I pray we never make. The reality is we will ALWAYS be codependent with the world. “God maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust.” We must not depend on the world, but yes, we MUST be codependent with them.

    My point to my previous post again was that we are building our own city, in our own country, with our own stores, and separating ourselves from the world that we live in. That is what I meant with this:

    “If our Christian pages are spread throughout cultural/secular pages than there is a better chance that our Father will draw the lost to those pages and convert them. If society can shop in stores, listen to the radio, search the internet, go to public schools, etc. without stumbling upon anything about Christ then there is a major problem.”

    Let me tell you this, a big bunch in the Kingdom of Heaven came, and will come by just stumbling upon something while they’re shopping or surfing the internet.

  3. jesseedavis says:

    The problem I see with this is that it seems to be another form of separation. I understand that this may not be your intention, but those that put the effort into making, testing, and using it may have different plans. Let me give you some examples of what I mean.

    You have public schools and Christian schools. It is a good idea that parents want their kids to learn Biblical teachings and to grow in the Lord as they grow in every other way. You see the problem is, though, that all it managed to do was create a means of separating the Christians from society. These schools, universities, etc. are now no longer any different than their public counterparts. What should have happened is that parents took it upon themselves to teach/raise their kids in the Lord, despite what they’re learning in school.

    Another example is the music industry. There are now Christian studios and record companies and producers and all sorts of stuff. This is good that millions of Christians can listen to music that is praising Jesus Christ, but I’m afraid more harm has been done than good. If Christian artists went through secular studios, producers, etc. to do this than the music would be more sound and doctrinal, (because you would have to be walking in the Spirit for this) and also, unbelievers would be forced to hear it in order to listen to their music. Not to mention the influence that it would have on the producers and those that run/work at studios, etc.

    The point is that we as Christians are taking ourselves out of the world and preventing each other from being a salt and a light to the world, culture/society. There is so much I could get into about separation that it isn’t funny. There is a quote that my pastor told us just this past week, I’m not sure who said it, but it goes: “If you want a Christian school, go take one.”

    If our Christian pages are spread throughout cultural/secular pages than there is a better chance that our Father will draw the lost to those pages and convert them. If society can shop in stores, listen to the radio, search the internet, go to public schools, etc. without stumbling upon anything about Christ then there is a major problem.

    However, I do see that Biblical pages are mixed in with false pages. Not necessarily secular, but heretical. It should be a priority to take it into our own hands to go and correct others, to expose lies for what they are, to walk blameless (most important), and to take the Holy Spirit EVERYWHERE we go. (Change my mind, THAT is the most important one.)

    • State run schools have an excellent track record of diminishing/extinguishing the faith of the young impressionable minds. It is difficult to make the argument about salt and light when the result we are seeing is that we are asking our children to be front line ambassadors for Christ and pit them against ADULTS. This is abusive.

      Our schools now must secretly provide faulty birth control to impulsive teens, who are told to give in to their passions and also to be responsible enough to slow down and use condoms, DUH. When the condoms fail – because they are second rate products given by an abortion industry who gets paid thousands per conception to kill conceived children – our daughters are counselled to not tell their parents because the ‘would not understand,’ and then secreted to abortion mills to rip out the precious child that is in them.

      When our daughters become quiet and suicidal and we can’t reach them, who stands up and says, ‘Hey maybe its the abortion we performed’? No one. So, we make them vulnerable to an abusive system that not only destroys their faith, but their lives and has ZERO accountability.

      If you, the reader, send your kids to public school, do not deceive yourself into thinking it is so they can be a light in the darkness. Pray fervently for them and keep the communication WIDE OPEN on what they are learning and doing with their friends. Be extra vigilant to give them the love they need and teach them God’s ways. If you are sending them to be a light, then pull them out while you can. It will work the other way. We are told to avoid certain types, not live with them 35+ hours a week. We do not marry unbelievers to make them believers, do we?

      When it comes to recording music, I don’t believe reality works the way you have suggested brother. You cannot “make” producers produce something they do not like. I have a friend, Caspar McCloud whose testimony is on here, who had a recording deal with a major record company, Atlantic if I recall. When he became a Christian he began submitting Christian songs instead of the music he had sent previously. did they record it? No. They shelved it and counted their investment capital in his contract as lost money. They did not produce Christian music.

      Sometimes we think that it is “our” fault the world is not saved. Guess what? We don’t like to preach in the world because the world does not give us a warm reception! The world is not saved because they have rejected the message. The view that “if we could only somehow say it better then people would believe,” is false. How do I know? Could Jesus have said it any better? No. Was he received? Yes, and No. He was murdered by a mob and yet only 120 were there to tarry on Pentecost.

      We must not allow ourselves to be codependent with the world. We are to reach, teach and preach to each the message that there is a Savior who came to deliver them from sin and its carnage. We aren’t to be analyzing the response and reformatting the message. This makes it weak and though many may ‘accept Jesus’ and say the prayer, are they really saved? Or did we just pad our personal evangelism statistics for self glory?

      Jesus said the gospel of the Kingdom will “be preached into all the world, and then shall the end come.” It is preached as a witness against unbelievers in the day of wrath, as well as to draw, save, heal and deliver those who believe. Jesus, through Daniel, said the beast would make war against the saints and have power over them until the return of the Lord.

      There is no formula that will make this world believe. Often the Church gets frustrated and accuses itself. How many churches blame all the other churches for not getting the message out? Some go further and preach the rest of the Church is full of error? We keep shooting at ourselves and the world watches in amusement. Sin in the church has made fools of us all. Only Jesus Christ and Him crucified can save us and the world we are reaching out to – not formulas. Can we preach the Gospel better? You bet. But only by looking at our own part, not being busybodies with how everyone else is doing it. I am far from perfect in this, so I will keep working the beam out.

      Salt and Light have two things in common. They annoy that which they save. Put salt on a wound to sterilize it – IT HURTS LIKE CRAZY! Try to wake a man out of a stupor by shining the light in his face – HE’LL SLUG YOU and then roll over. There is no safe or sure way to preach the gospel without putting our own lives at risk. Those who try often become casualties themselves.

      Just my blunt opinions… 🙂 Freely share yours on this.

      Blessings and Peace,
      Timothy

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